
Changelog Interviews
Conversations with the hackers, leaders, and innovators of the software world. Adam Stacoviak and Jerod Santo face their imposter syndrome so you don’t have to. Expect in-depth interviews with the best and brightest in software engineering, open source & leadership. This is a polyglot podcast. All programming languages, platforms & communities are welcome.
Latest episodes

Jun 29, 2020 • 51min
Big updates in Safari 14
We’re joined by Ronak Shah and Beth Dakin from the Safari team at Apple about their announcements at WWDC20 and the release of Safari 14. We talk about Safari WebExtensions, Face ID and Touch ID coming to the web, Safari’s plans to advance the web platform, and it all comes down to their focus on privacy, power, and performance.
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Featuring:Ronak Shah – LinkedInBeth Dakin – LinkedIn, XAdam Stacoviak – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, XJerod Santo – GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, XShow Notes:Special thanks to Linode for helping us make this episode interruption free.
Safari
Safari Technology Preview
WWDC20
WWDC20 - What’s new for web developers
WWDC20 - Meet Safari Web Extensions
WWDC20 - Meet Face ID and Touch ID for the web
JavaScript APIs for WebExtensions
Welcoming Safari to the WebExtensions Community
Browser Market Share Worldwide
WebKit - Web Inspector Reference
Follow WebKit on Twitter to keep up
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Jun 25, 2020 • 1h 33min
Shipping work that matters
We’re revisiting Shape Up and product development thoughts with Ryan Singer, Head of Product Strategy at Basecamp. Last August we talked with Ryan when he first launched his book Shape Up and now we’re back to see how Shape Up is shaping up — “How are teams using the wisdom in this book to actually ship work that matters? How does Shape Up work in new versus existing products?” We also talk about the concept of longitudinal thinking and the way it’s impacting Ryan’s designs, plus a grab bag of topics in the last segment.
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Retool – Retool makes it super simple to build back-office apps in hours, not days. The tool is is built by engineers, explicitly for engineers. Learn more and try it for free at retool.com/changelog
Brain Science – For the curious! Brain Science is our new podcast exploring the inner-workings of the human brain to understand behavior change, habit formation, mental health, and being human. It’s Brain Science applied — not just how does the brain work, but how do we apply what we know about the brain to transform our lives.
Fastly – Our bandwidth partner. Fastly powers fast, secure, and scalable digital experiences. Move beyond your content delivery network to their powerful edge cloud platform. Learn more at fastly.com.
Featuring:Ryan Singer – Website, GitHub, XAdam Stacoviak – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, XJerod Santo – GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, XShow Notes:
The Changelog #357: Shaping, betting, and building
Ryan’s new hobby podcast called Synthetic A Priori
Shape Up (book site)
“Good design requires thinking longitudinally.”
New versus existing products
Taguchi methods on Wikipedia
Salt. Fat. Acid. Heat. - If you can master these four elements, you can master the kitchen.
EconTalk podcast
The End of Average: How We Succeed in a World That Values Sameness
Dr Ole Peters
Time for a Change: Introducing irreversible time in economics by Dr Ole Peters
Something missing or broken? PRs welcome!

Jun 16, 2020 • 53min
The ONE thing every dev should know
The incomparable Jessica Kerr drops by with a grab-bag of amazing topics. Understanding software systems, transferring knowledge between devs, building relationships, using VS Code & Docker to code together, observability as a logical extension of TDD, and a whole lot more.
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Tidelift – If you use open source to develop applications as part of your day job…our friends at Tidelift would like you to share your thoughts in their annual open source survey. Take the survey — it takes around 10 minutes on average.
Algolia – Our search partner. As the world is spending even more time online, search will be a critical lever for engaging your own users and customers. Algolia made their Pro Plan free to any developer or team working on a COVID-19-related, not-for-profit website or app.
Fastly – Our bandwidth partner. Fastly powers fast, secure, and scalable digital experiences. Move beyond your content delivery network to their powerful edge cloud platform. Learn more at fastly.com.
Featuring:Jessica Kerr – Website, GitHub, XAdam Stacoviak – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, XJerod Santo – GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, XShow Notes:Get an email as soon as we ship new shows ~> subscribe via email here
Symmathecist (n) - A quick definition, without the narrative
newsletter.jessitron.com
Listen to Jessica (and others) elsewhere on Arrested DevOps and Greater Than Code
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Jun 9, 2020 • 1h 19min
Creating GitLab’s remote playbook
We’re talking about all things all-remote with Darren Murph, Head of Remote at GitLab. Darren is tasked with putting intentional thought and action into place to lead the largest all-remote company in the world. Yes, GitLab is 100% all-remote, as in, no offices…and they employee more than 1,200 people across 67 countries. They’ve been iterating and documenting how to work remotely for years. We cover Darren’s personal story on remote work while he served as managing editor at Engadget, his thoughts on how “work” is evolving and ways to reframe and rethink about when you work, this idea of work life harmony, and the backstory and details of the playbook GitLab released free of charge to the world.
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Tidelift – If you use open source to develop applications as part of your day job…our friends at Tidelift would like you to share your thoughts in their annual open source survey. Take the survey — it takes around 10 minutes on average.
Retool – Retool makes it super simple to build back-office apps in hours, not days. The tool is is built by engineers, explicitly for engineers. Learn more and try it for free at retool.com/changelog
Fastly – Our bandwidth partner. Fastly powers fast, secure, and scalable digital experiences. Move beyond your content delivery network to their powerful edge cloud platform. Learn more at fastly.com.
Featuring:Darren Murph – XAdam Stacoviak – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, XJerod Santo – GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, XShow Notes:
GitLab’s Remote Playbook
GitLab Values - “No ego” is among the values detailed on this page
GitLab’s team handbook
Our long-term vision for remote work
Family and friends first, work second
Encouraging a culture of written communication
Something missing or broken? PRs welcome!

May 27, 2020 • 1h 30min
De-Google-ing your website analytics
Plausible creators Uku Täht and Marko Saric join the show to talk about their open source, privacy-friendly alternative to Google Analytics. We talk through the backstory of the project, why it’s open source, the details behind a few viral blog posts Marko shared to bring in a ton of new interest to the project, why privacy matters in web analytics, how they prioritize building new features, the technical details behind their no cookie light-weight JavaScript approach, and their thoughts on a server-side option.
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Retool – Retool makes it super simple to build back-office apps in hours, not days. The tool is is built by engineers, explicitly for engineers. Learn more and try it for free at retool.com/changelog
Square – Develop on the platform that sellers trust! Head to squareup.com/go/changelog to learn more and create your Square Developer account. When you build with Square, you get to outsource all the payments complexity to them. They take care of maintaining PCI compliance, detecting fraud, and managing disputes on your behalf.
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Featuring:Marko Saric – Website, XUku Täht – GitHub, XAdam Stacoviak – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, XJerod Santo – GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, XShow Notes:
Plausible - a lightweight, open source, privacy-friendly alternative to Google Analytics
Why you should stop using Google Analytics on your website
How one blog post changed the traction for my startup
Will removing Google Analytics from a site hurt search engine rankings?
Blogging statistics and trends you should know in 2020
How to de-Google-ify your site to make it faster and visitor friendly
Something missing or broken? PRs welcome!

May 18, 2020 • 1h 33min
Leading GitHub to a $7.5 billion acquisition
Jason Warner (CTO at GitHub) joined the show to talk with us about the backstory of how he helped to lead GitHub to a $7.5 billion acquisition by Microsoft. Specifically how they trusted their gut not just the data, and how they understood the value they were bringing to market. We also talk about Jason’s focus on “horizon 3” for GitHub, and his thoughts on remote work and how they’re leading GitHub engineering today.
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Retool – Retool makes it super simple to build back-office apps in hours, not days. The tool is is built by engineers, explicitly for engineers. Learn more and try it for free at retool.com/changelog
Square – Develop on the platform that sellers trust! Head to squareup.com/go/changelog to learn more and create your Square Developer account. When you build with Square, you get to outsource all the payments complexity to them. They take care of maintaining PCI compliance, detecting fraud, and managing disputes on your behalf.
Fastly – Our bandwidth partner. Fastly powers fast, secure, and scalable digital experiences. Move beyond your content delivery network to their powerful edge cloud platform. Learn more at fastly.com.
Featuring:Jason Warner – GitHub, LinkedIn, XAdam Stacoviak – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, XJerod Santo – GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, XShow Notes:
GitHub’s CTO on architecting engineering teams that scale
Current stats – 40M+ developers with 100M+ repos
Go back in time to hear our reactions to Microsoft buying GitHub - “The news is true. Microsoft is acquiring GitHub.”
The Changelog #331: GitHub Actions is the next big thing with Kyle Daigle
Jason’s book recommendations:
Atomic Habits by James Clear
Extreme Ownership by Jocko Willink and Leif Babin
Team of Teams by Gen. Stanley McChrystal
The Hard Thing About Hard Things by Ben Horowitz
High Output Management by Andrew Grove
Something missing or broken? PRs welcome!

May 12, 2020 • 57min
VisiData is like duct tape for your data
Saul Pwanson is the creator and maintainer of VisiData, a terminal interface for exploring and arranging tabular data. On this Maintainer Spotlight episode, Saul joins Jerod for a wide-ranging discussion on crossword puzzles, biographs, and Saul’s open source gift to the world. Thanks to AJ for the suggestion!
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Featuring:Saul Pwanson – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, XJerod Santo – GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, XShow Notes:
VisiData
VisiData on GitHub
A Plagiarism Scandal Is Unfolding In The Crossword World
Saul’s biograph
the biograph tool on GitHub
Support Saul on Patreon
Something missing or broken? PRs welcome!

May 6, 2020 • 1h 3min
Gatsby's long road to incremental builds
Gatsby creator Kyle Mathews joins Jerod fresh off the launch of incremental builds to tell the story of this feature that’s 3 years in the making. We talk about Kyle’s vision for Gatsby, why incremental builds took so long, why it’s not part of the open source tool, how he makes decisions between Cloud and open source features, and more.
Join the discussionChangelog++ members support our work, get closer to the metal, and make the ads disappear. Join today!Sponsors:Linode – Our cloud of choice and the home of Changelog.com. Deploy a fast, efficient, native SSD cloud server for only $5/month. Get 4 months free using the code changelog2019 OR changelog2020. To learn more and get started head to linode.com/changelog.
Retool – Retool makes it super simple to build back-office apps in hours, not days. The tool is is built by engineers, explicitly for engineers. Learn more and try it for free at retool.com/changelog
Fastly – Our bandwidth partner. Fastly powers fast, secure, and scalable digital experiences. Move beyond your content delivery network to their powerful edge cloud platform. Learn more at fastly.com.
Featuring:Kyle Mathews – Website, GitHub, XJerod Santo – GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, XShow Notes:
Kyle on Founders Talk
The Great GatsbyJS (The Changelog #306)
Introducing Incremental Builds in Gatsby Cloud
Experimental Page Build Optimizations for Incremental Data Changes
Announcing Gatsby Recipes
Something missing or broken? PRs welcome!

Apr 30, 2020 • 1h 17min
Indeed's FOSS Contributor Fund
Duane O’Brien (head of open source at Indeed) joined the show to talk about their FOSS Contributor Fund and FOSS Responders. He’s super passionate about open source, and through his role at Indeed Duane was able to implement this fund and open source it as a framework for other companies to use. We talk through all the details of the program, its impact and influence, as well as ways companies can use the framework in their organization. We also talk about FOSS Responders an initiative to support open source that has been negatively impacted by COVID-19.
Join the discussionChangelog++ members support our work, get closer to the metal, and make the ads disappear. Join today!Sponsors:Linode – Our cloud of choice and the home of Changelog.com. Deploy a fast, efficient, native SSD cloud server for only $5/month. Get 4 months free using the code changelog2019 OR changelog2020. To learn more and get started head to linode.com/changelog.
Retool – Retool makes it super simple to build back-office apps in hours, not days. The tool is is built by engineers, explicitly for engineers. Learn more and try it for free at retool.com/changelog
Fastly – Our bandwidth partner. Fastly powers fast, secure, and scalable digital experiences. Move beyond your content delivery network to their powerful edge cloud platform. Learn more at fastly.com.
Featuring:Adam Stacoviak – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, XShow Notes:
The FOSS Contributor Fund: Six Months In
FOSS Contributor Fund - Framework
Sentry on ‘Funding Open Source’
FOSS Responders on Open Collective
FOSS Responders - Virtual Funding Event (Friday - May 22, 2020)
Sustaining FOSS projects by democratizing the sponsorship process
fossresponders.com
Open Source 101
Something missing or broken? PRs welcome!

Apr 22, 2020 • 1h 12min
Work from home SUPERCUT
Today we’re featuring conversations from different perspectives on working from home from our JS Party, Go Time, and Brain Science podcasts here on Changelog.com. Because, hey…if you didn’t know we have 6 active podcasts in our portfolio of shows. Head to changelog.com/podcasts to collect them all!
Join the discussionChangelog++ members support our work, get closer to the metal, and make the ads disappear. Join today!Sponsors:DigitalOcean – DigitalOcean’s developer cloud makes it simple to launch in the cloud and scale up as you grow. They have an intuitive control panel, predictable pricing, team accounts, worldwide availability with a 99.99% uptime SLA, and 24/7/365 world-class support to back that up. Get your $100 credit at do.co/changelog.
Retool – Retool makes it super simple to build back-office apps in hours, not days. The tool is is built by engineers, explicitly for engineers. Learn more and try it for free at retool.com/changelog
Algolia – Our search partner. As the world is spending even more time online, search will be a critical lever for engaging your own users and customers. Algolia made their Pro Plan free to any developer or team working on a COVID-19-related, not-for-profit website or app.
Fastly – Our bandwidth partner. Fastly powers fast, secure, and scalable digital experiences. Move beyond your content delivery network to their powerful edge cloud platform. Learn more at fastly.com.
Featuring:Jerod Santo – GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, XSuz Hinton – GitHub, Mastodon, XNick Nisi – Website, GitHub, Mastodon, XKevin Ball – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, XMat Ryer – GitHub, LinkedIn, Bluesky, XMark Bates – Website, GitHub, XCarmen Andoh – GitHub, XJon Calhoun – Website, GitHub, XAdam Stacoviak – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, XMireille Reece, PsyD – LinkedInShow Notes:Check out the following links for the show notes of each show featured:
JS Party #120: WFH!?
Go Time #123: WFH
Brain Science #15: Working from home
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