

Bourbon Pursuit
Bourbon Pursuit
The Official Podcast of Bourbon! The best in news, reviews and interviews with people making the bourbon whiskey industry happen. Join hosts Kenny Coleman, Ryan Cecil, and Fred Minnick as they talk with prominent guests and provide insight on American whiskey 3 times a week. Catch all new episodes every Thursday with special Whiskey Quickie reviews on Tuesday and get caught up on bourbon news with This Week in Bourbon on Friday.
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Mar 10, 2017 • 1h 20min
089 - Deep Dive into Bottled in Bond with Bernie Lubbers, Whiskey Ambassador for Heaven Hill
Bernie Lubbers, Whiskey Ambassador for Heaven Hill and also known as The Whiskey Professor, joins the show to talk about bottled-in-bond and what makes these bourbons “bricks of gold”.Show Notes:
Talk about Bern’s Corner and how you arrange your bottles
What has made you so fascinated with Bottled-in-Bond.
Talk about the issue or necessity behind bottled-in-bond
When people were diluting whiskey or using tobacco spit, were people still buying it?
Why 100 proof and not 90 or 80?
Is the bottled-in-bond act still a binding piece of legislation?
So you can have bottled-in-bond of spirits other than bourbon?
There is an interpretation for bottled-in-bond corn whiskey
Why did Issac Wolfe Bernheim against the bottled-in-bond act?
Talk about Colonel Taylor and his involvement
Were there any palms that were greased to make this happen?
After this bill passed, did it put brands out of business?
What’s the importance of having bottled-in-bond today?
What is the responsible for the resurgence of bottled-in-bond?
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Mar 3, 2017 • 1h 11min
088 - Back to Basics with Bourbon 101 and 201 with Tim Knittel, Bourbon Educator at Distilled-Living.com
Tim Knittel, Bourbon Educator at Distilled-Living.com and a certified Stave & Thief Society Executive Bourbon Steward, kicks off "back to basics" month by giving an in-depth Bourbon 101 and 201 level knowledge bomb. You will learn something new, guaranteed or your money back!Show Notes:
let's start from the top. What is bourbon?
How's it made?
What goes into it?
What's the average proof coming off the distillate?
Some people say that limestone water is a big reason why Kentucky bourbon taste better. Is that true or can I get the same effect out of a garden hose?
Is anything stopping someone outside of America from making a bourbon or it just can't be called that?
What advice do you give people of the first bottles to buy that give you a variable taste range?
So people like us who think we know everything, what's a common misperception or falsification we tend to fall for?
What’s the most common question you get asked at your tastings
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Feb 24, 2017 • 44min
087 - From Never Owning a Bottle to Being The Master Distiller at Four Roses with Brent Elliott
Brent Elliott, Master Distiller at Four Roses, talks about how he never owned a bottle of Four Roses until he interviewed and how the conversation went when he was tapped to be the new Master Distiller.Show Notes:
Talk about growing up in Owensboro, your history and education
What made you want to get into bourbon?
Were you a Four Roses bourbon fan when you applied to work here?
Was Four Roses the first place you looked at working?
How long have you been working at Four Roses?
Talk a little bit about working with Jim Rutledge under his tutelage.
So talk about that phone call, when it’s usually depicted in the movies as being called up to the CEOs office on the 33rd floor to get that big promotion
Why is there not a rye whiskey offered by Four Roses?
What about the rage of barrel finishes or cinnamon whiskey?
From Kevin Ragland on Facebook - How was the process for selecting 2016 LE went since it was the first time you would have done it without Jim.
Why did you come out and call it Elliott’s Select instead of just the normal 2016 Limited Edition Single Barrel?
From Travis Roberts on Facebook - Will FR continue their barrel selections in the future and if so, will they eventually be able to offer barrels aged 10+ years again to consumers?
Talk about life outside of bourbon
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Feb 17, 2017 • 1h 4min
086 - Old Grandad 114 Stays, Buffalo Trace Launches OFC, and Holding Grudges Against NDPs on Bourbon Community Roundtable #6
The Bourbon Community Roundtable #6 discusses Beam sales tactics with OGD114 news, Buffalo Trace OFC conspiracy theories, and is there a bias towards NDP/MGP when buying off the shelf.Show Notes:
Blake from Bourbonr.com, Nick from BreakingBourbon.com and Kerry from Subourbia.com.
OGD 114 is here to stay. Another Beam ploy to drive shelf sales.
There’s been no shortage of getting your chance to buy raffle tickets for the Buffalo Trace OFC bottles. They carry a suggested price tag of $8-10k. Is there a hidden motive here by Buffalo Trace? A clever coup by BT to bring a bottle to market valued at $10k then release more OFC to the general market at $1k and call it a bargain?
NDP, MGP, and the bias. Do you hold a grudge against NDPs and refuse to buy? Or are you a believer that the flavor can come from aging and finishing rather than the distillate.
Bruce Schwalm: Question for the panel: If we geeks are the 1% of the drinkers, why aren't we more focused on the art and less on the marketing?
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Feb 10, 2017 • 36min
085 - The Angel's Share is the First Fictional Novel on Bourbon with James Markert, Author
James Markert, author of The Angel’s Share, joins the show to share information about the first fictional novel based on bourbon that takes place in Twisted Tree, Kentucky on an old family distillery that was abandoned after prohibition.Show Notes:
Talk about your brush with bourbon
Let’s talk about The Angel’s Share, what’s the premise of the story?
What are some distilleries where you got inspiration?
Does it take a different kind of author to write something completely fictional?
Do you have a fascination with the 1920’s gangster era?
What does this book mean to you as you carve out a new mark in bourbon history?
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Feb 2, 2017 • 53min
084 - How A Psychologist Became a Sensory Scientist at Woodford Reserve with Elizabeth McCall, Master Taster
Elizabeth McCall, Sensory Scientist and Master Taster, Brown-Forman, joins the show to share what happens behind the white curtain and how people with a psychologist degree are recruited into bourbon.Show Notes:
Talk about your past, growing up and your education
What got you into brown spirits
Did you have family influences or connections to the spirits industry?
So I have to be honest, we have done the rounds with Master Distillers and they always give credit to people like you, but lets get an idea of your day to day responsibilities
What else happens in the lab? we need to give our listeners an idea of what’s happening behind the curtain so-to-speak
So why psychologists for being sensory scientists? go deeper there
What’s the most important sense when it comes to making a product consistent?
What does catching a cold have on the influence of the bourbon your doing that day? or do you have an addiction to Afrin nasal decongestant?
What sort of training goes into becoming a master taster?
From Matt Fisher on Facebook: Super nerdy and specific. With most bourbon drinkers using Glencairn glasses at home, why does the distillery use Copita Nosing glasses vs the Glencairn? Looking for an expert opinion of why they use the Copita.
I watched part of your presentation of change and you gave a good explanation of why people mix their bourbon with coke, explain that
Talk about your other passion of horses
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Jan 27, 2017 • 50min
083 - The Importance of Shopping Small and Barrel Pick Popularity at Cork N Bottle with Ed Bley, Spirits and Beer Manager
Ed Bley, Spirits and Beer Manager at Cork ’N Bottle, joins the show to talk about their historic past with bourbon, the importance of shopping small, and his process of doing barrel picksShow Notes:
Dive into your past and some history to what led you into bourbon
What’s the history of Cork N’ Bottle?
Talk about how you deal with allocated releases
What’s the importance to shop small and local?
What’s your process for barrel picks?
Anything special coming up?
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Jan 19, 2017 • 1h 2min
082 - Ending Old Scout Picks, More Age Statement Losses, and The Most Obtainable Barrel Proof on Bourbon Community Roundtable #5
The Bourbon Community Roundtable #5 dicusses the theories behind Old Scout, 2017 Predictions and Easily Obtainable Barrel Proof Choices.Show Notes:
Joined by Blake of bourbonr.com, Jordan of breakingbourbon.com, and Kerry of subourbia.com
So Smooth Ambler has discontinued their barrel program, which means no more private picks of SAOS. Thoughts?
2017 Predictions. What's going to happen?
Are there any companies that will be bought up in 2017?
Are we going to see more bottles lose age statements?
Is there a consensus favorite among the more easily "obtainable" high proof? Stagg Jr, ECBP, EH Taylor BP
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Jan 13, 2017 • 35min
081 - Four Roses Continues Expansion with Ryan Ashley, COO and Director of Distillery Operations
Ryan Ashley, COO and Director of Distillery Operations, talks about how his history of beer brewing led him to distillation, the Four Roses brand, distillery expansion, and even hints at a possible Four Roses Rye.Show Notes:
Today's Guest co-host is Linden Ferguson
Talk about your past. Where did you grow up and your education, family influence, all that
You’ve been known to be a big beer guy.
What got you into bourbon?
Talk about your job for a few minutes and your responsibilities
So before we get into it, I think this is a good time to re-introduce Four Roses to people. So talk about the uniqueness of four roses with the two yeast strains, 10 recipes, warehouses, etc
This big news is that Four Roses is investing $55 Million into expanding operations. And we have all been in remodeling projects so we know that you need to budget 15%, so we’ll say 63million. talk about that
From Michael Leeper on Facebook, What kind of issues do you struggle with as you scale up distillation?, "How do you ensure raw ingredients are available to meet your need (from grain, to glass, to packaging and ultimately labor)", "Is there a limit to how big you can grow within the Bourbon region?"
Talk about working with Brent Elliott
Are you a stout guy or hops guy?
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Jan 6, 2017 • 1h 11min
080 - Jim Beam Backpedals on Booker's Price Increase and Sazerac Continues Purchasing with Chuck Cowdery, Bourbon Author
Chuck Cowdery, Bourbon Author and media pundit, joins to talk about Jim Beam backpedaling its way out of Booker’s price increase and the unique purchases Sazerac is making to expand their footprint.Show Notes:
Talk about how you got into bourbon in the beginning
Give the listeners a quick background on your books
The Booker's thing is on everyone's mind and you had a article calling their actions dumb and embarrassing
Sazerac has purchased the Popcorn Sutton, a building in downtown New Orleans and more recently. Possibly attributed due to the success of Fireball. What’s on the horizon for them?
Chuck on Facebook
http://chuckcowdery.blogspot.com
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