

Cloud Realities
Capgemini
Exploring the practical and exciting alternate realities that can be unleashed through cloud driven transformation and cloud native living and working.
Each episode, our hosts Dave, Esmee & Rob talk to Cloud leaders and practitioners to understand how previously untapped business value can be released, how to deal with the challenges and risks that come with bold ventures and how does human experience factor into all of this?
They cover Intelligent Industry, Customer Experience, Sustainability, AI, Data and Insight, Cyber, Cost, Leadership, Talent and, of course, Tech.
Together, Dave, Esmee & Rob have over 80 years of cloud and transformation experience and act as our guides though a new reality each week.
Web - https://www.capgemini.com/insights/research-library/cloud-realities-podcast/
Email - Podcasts.cor@capgemini.com
Each episode, our hosts Dave, Esmee & Rob talk to Cloud leaders and practitioners to understand how previously untapped business value can be released, how to deal with the challenges and risks that come with bold ventures and how does human experience factor into all of this?
They cover Intelligent Industry, Customer Experience, Sustainability, AI, Data and Insight, Cyber, Cost, Leadership, Talent and, of course, Tech.
Together, Dave, Esmee & Rob have over 80 years of cloud and transformation experience and act as our guides though a new reality each week.
Web - https://www.capgemini.com/insights/research-library/cloud-realities-podcast/
Email - Podcasts.cor@capgemini.com
Episodes
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Feb 27, 2025 • 58min
CR091: Sovereign AI with Chris Stokel-Walker, Journalist and author
Sovereign AI is to become a cornerstone of national strategies, enabling countries to develop their own AI infrastructure and capabilities, thereby enhancing strategic resilience and fostering innovation, it will also play a crucial role in sectors such as healthcare and finance, driving advancements and improving security in an increasingly interconnected world. This week, Dave, Esmee and Rob talk to Chris Stokel-Walker, Journalist, author and communicator specializing in tech, AI, and digital culture (including YouTube and TikTok) about the notion of sovereign AI and how that might develop as part of the AI world going forward.TLDR04:50 Rob is confused about Net Neutrality 08:40 Cloud conversation with Chris Stokel-Walker45:42 Superintelligence and how the public and policymakers understand and react to technology 54:50 Going to an art exhibition opening and e-textiles Guest:Chris Stokel-Walker: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stokel/HostsDave Chapman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/Esmee van de Giessen: https://www.linkedin.com/in/esmeevandegiessen/Rob Kernahan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rob-kernahan/ProductionMarcel van der Burg: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcel-vd-burg/Dave Chapman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/SoundBen Corbett: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ben-corbett-3b6a11135/Louis Corbett: https://www.linkedin.com/in/louis-corbett-087250264/'Cloud Realities' is an original podcast from Capgemini

Feb 20, 2025 • 1h 3min
CR090: Every organization is made up of people and work structures with Jitske Kramer, Corporate Anthropologist
Every organization is built on people, structures, and culture. But culture isn’t static—it evolves with every interaction, ambition, and shift in circumstance. As IT drives business transformation, new technologies reshape how people connect and collaborate. In this ever-changing landscape, a strong, adaptive culture is the key to lasting success. This week, Dave, Esmee and Rob talk to Jitske Kramer, Corporate Anthropologist about what is a culture, where does it come from, what does change mean and what we go through when transformation happens to people.TLDR 02:00 Rob is confused about AI models and DeepSeek 09:42 Cloud conversation with Jitske Kramer 48:15 Are we creating a digital environment where ‘free will’ gradually fades away? 56:30 Finally we found a great restaurant and Patterns of Life documentary Guest: Jitske Kramer: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jitskekramer/ Hosts Dave Chapman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/ Esmee van de Giessen: https://www.linkedin.com/in/esmeevandegiessen/ Rob Kernahan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rob-kernahan/ProductionMarcel van der Burg: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcel-vd-burg/Dave Chapman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/ Sound Ben Corbett: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ben-corbett-3b6a11135/ Louis Corbett: https://www.linkedin.com/in/louis-corbett-087250264/'Cloud Realities' is an original podcast from Capgemini

Feb 10, 2025 • 48min
CRSP03: Reimagining Telecom Industry pt.3 - Network Transformation with Mallikarjuna Rao, Telefonica
The telecom industry is undergoing a fundamental transformation. This shift is creating new business opportunities and services but also brings significant challenges in transformation and modernization. In a new five-part mini-series, Reimagining Telecoms, we will explore these challenges through five distinct lenses: Growth, Networks, Simplification, Data & AI, and Regulation, uncovering lessons and insights relevant to telecom organizations and beyond.This week, Dave, Esmee and Rob talk to Mallikarjuna Rao, Chief Technology & Enterprise Business Office at Telefonica about the backbone of the industry—the network—and its transformation. What challenges lie ahead and what does the future hold? 'Reimagining Telecoms' Episodes 4 and 5 will be available in the week of February 24.TLDR 02:31 Update on Reimagining Telecoms mini-series05:00 Main conversation with Mallik Rao39:04 Esmee sets up her own mesh network at home45:39 New job and running the business GuestMallikarjuna Rao: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mallikarjun/HostsDave Chapman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/Esmee van de Giessen: https://www.linkedin.com/in/esmeevandegiessen/Rob Kernahan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rob-kernahan/Guest host Praveen Shankar: https://www.linkedin.com/in/praveen-shankar-capgemini/ ProductionMarcel van der Burg: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcel-vd-burg/Dave Chapman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/SoundBen Corbett: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ben-corbett-3b6a11135/Louis Corbett: https://www.linkedin.com/in/louis-corbett-087250264/'Cloud Realities' is an original podcast from Capgemini

Feb 6, 2025 • 1h 1min
CR089: Culture to drive change with Alex Alves, Unilever
Digital transformation isn’t just about technology—it’s about people. Culture shapes how teams adapt, collaborate, and drive change, but it also determines whether transformation efforts truly take root. Mindset, leadership, and shared values are the real catalysts for lasting success. This week, Dave, Esmee and Rob talk to Alex Alves Global IT director Business Architecture at Unilever, about the hidden role of culture in driving transformation success. TLDR: 02:00 Rob is confused about Techno Platform Feudalism 06:40 Cloud conversation with Alex Alves 48:35 Research about raising AI as a child 58:10 Starting an applied research PhD (UCL, the AI Lead department in Europe with two Nobel Prizes) and that this is an example of "intrapreneurship" in Unilever. Science as an Innovation lever. Guest:Alexandre Alves: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alexandre-alves-b5315646/Hosts:Dave Chapman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/Esmee van de Giessen: https://www.linkedin.com/in/esmeevandegiessen/Rob Kernahan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rob-kernahan/Production:Marcel van der Burg: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcel-vd-burg/Dave Chapman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/Sound:Ben Corbett: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ben-corbett-3b6a11135/Louis Corbett: https://www.linkedin.com/in/louis-corbett-087250264/'Cloud Realities' is an original podcast from Capgemini

Jan 30, 2025 • 55min
CR088: Cloud on the rocks [AAA]
[AAA] In 'Access All Areas' shows we go behind the scenes with the crew and their friends as they dive into complex challenges that organizations face—sometimes getting a little messy along the way.This week, we address the ‘big rocks’ that can obstruct or delay successful outcomes in organizational transformations. Dave, Esmee, and Rob are joined by Jez Back, Cloud Leader, and Chris Dudgeon, VP Commercial Finance, to discuss these challenges—focusing on why cloud transformation programs sometimes fail to deliver their value and the economic realities surrounding them. TLDR01:09 Access All Areas 03:29 The financial boulders that can block your path for success05:52 Conversation with Jez and Chris29:30 Cloud operational and the next steps50:25 End of dry January and diner with Rob HostsDave Chapman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/Esmee van de Giessen: https://www.linkedin.com/in/esmeevandegiessen/Rob Kernahan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rob-kernahan/with Jez Back: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jezback/and Chris Dudgeon: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chris-dudgeon-12151a2/ProductionMarcel van der Burg: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcel-vd-burg/Dave Chapman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/SoundBen Corbett: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ben-corbett-3b6a11135/Louis Corbett: https://www.linkedin.com/in/louis-corbett-087250264/'Cloud Realities' is an original podcast from Capgemini

Jan 27, 2025 • 45min
CRSP02: Reimagining Telecom Industry pt.2 - Regulations with Ashish Surti, Colt
The telecom industry is undergoing a fundamental transformation. This shift is creating new business opportunities and services but also brings significant challenges in transformation and modernization. In a new five-part mini-series, Reimagining Telecoms, we will explore these challenges through five distinct lenses: Growth, Networks, Simplification, Data & AI, and Regulation, uncovering lessons and insights relevant to telecom organizations and beyond. This week, Dave, Esmee, and Rob speak with Ashish Surti, EVP and Chief Digital & Information Officer at Colt Technology Services, about whether regulations can provide a strategic advantage in cybersecurity and sustainability. 'Reimagining Telecoms' Episodes 3 - 5 will be available in the coming weeks.TLDR00:58 Update on 'Reimaging Telecoms' mini-series05:38 Main conversation with Ashish Surti31:40 Is Europe lagging behind in Cybersecurity? 42:25 Creating car models and investing in technology stack GuestAshish Surti: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashishsurti/HostsDave Chapman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/Esmee van de Giessen: https://www.linkedin.com/in/esmeevandegiessen/Rob Kernahan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rob-kernahan/Guest host: Praveen Shankar: https://www.linkedin.com/in/praveen-shankar-capgemini/ProductionMarcel van der Burg: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcel-vd-burg/Dave Chapman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/SoundBen Corbett: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ben-corbett-3b6a11135/Louis Corbett: https://www.linkedin.com/in/louis-corbett-087250264/'Cloud Realities' is an original podcast from Capgemini

Jan 23, 2025 • 1h 11min
CR087: Does 'purpose' matter with Dave Snowden
Dave Snowden, Founder and Chief Scientific Officer of The Cynefin Centre, dives deep into the multifaceted concept of organizational purpose. He questions whether purpose statements are often mere platitudes and suggests focusing on real stories and actions instead. The discussion also touches on the Japanese philosophy of Ikigai, highlighting how personal fulfillment arises from aligning passions and societal needs. Listeners gain insights into innovative organizational change, emphasizing trust, narrative-driven leadership, and the significance of local engagement.

Dec 19, 2024 • 1h 27min
CR086: Christmas special! Trends 2025 with Gene Kim, Guru
IT’S CHRIIIIIISTMAAAASSSSSSS!!!!!The last couple of years we have seen an increasing cadence of tech innovation, but scaled adoption held back by economic headwinds and incomplete technology suites - at the end of the year, it seems like a good time to reflect and cast forward a bit… In this weeks festive episode of the show, Dave, Esmee and Rob along with friend of the show, Gene Kim, author of the Phoenix Project and Wiring the Winning Organization, have a relaxed mull over the trends in AI and Cloud for 2025, what they are excited about for the coming year, sunny Christmastime and cooking the perfect turkey.Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays and a very Happy and Healthy New Year to all our guests and listeners! Thank you for sharing your time with us this year—we look forward to seeing you at the end of January! TLDR 00:53 Cruising and why don't people use meat probes? 11:00 Cloud conversation with Gene Kim 1:15:08 Excited about 2025! Guest Gene Kim: https://www.linkedin.com/in/realgenekim/ Hosts Dave Chapmanger: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/ Esmee van de Glühwein: https://www.linkedin.com/in/esmeevandegiessen/ Rob Snowmanahan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rob-kernahan/Production Dr Mike van der Baubles: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcel-vd-burg/ Dave Chapmanger: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/ SoundBeneath-the-Mistletoe Corbett : https://www.linkedin.com/in/ben-corbett-3b6a11135/Louis Jinglebells Corbett" : https://www.linkedin.com/in/louis-corbett-087250264/'Cloud Realities' is an original podcast from Capgemini

Dec 12, 2024 • 1h 2min
CR085: Driving change in public services with data and AI with Craig Suckling, UK Government
There is huge potential for the leverage of data (and AI) to provide the most modern Citizen digital experiences, but that has to be balanced with managing deep legacy challenges and, of course, security risk. In a special episode this week, Dave and Rob talk to Craig Suckling, UK Government Chief Data Officer about modern public services, the challenges and opportunities in unleashing data in a safe and secure way, how AI fits into all of this and how Governments can lead the way in secure and ethical AI implementation. TLDR:01:56 The Chief Software Officer?!05:40 Cloud conversation with Craig Suckling57:55 Christmas with the kids and Lego! Guest:Craig Suckling: https://www.linkedin.com/in/craigsuckling/Hosts:Dave Chapman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/Rob Kernahan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rob-kernahan/Guest host Sandeep Kumar: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sandeepkumar99/Production:Marcel van der Burg: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcel-vd-burg/Dave Chapman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/Sound:Ben Corbett: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ben-corbett-3b6a11135/Louis Corbett: https://www.linkedin.com/in/louis-corbett-087250264/'Cloud Realities' is an original podcast from Capgemini

Dec 6, 2024 • 1h 28min
CRLIVE35: AWS re:Invent Day 3: Sovereign Cloud and Cloud Maturity with Max Peterson and Erik Farr, AWS
Live from the Expo floor in Las Vegas, we're bringing you a special limited series of episodes on AWS re:Invent 2025. Join us as we check in with AWS and take an industry temperature check. Plus, we'll keep you updated on all the latest news and juicy gossip from the Strip.On day three of the conference Dave and Rob talk to:Max Peterson, VP Sovereign Cloud about Innovation in Sovereign CloudErik Farr, MD Solution Architecture about Cloud Maturityalso Rob Easton from AWS, drops in to help us round up the show - what were our big takeaways and which Casino Bar triumphed in Rob’s rigorous exploration?!TLDR00:30 Main announcements at AWS re:Invent 2024 by the team07:25 Sovereign Cloud with Max Peterson32:19 Cloud Maturity with Erik Farr54:23 Final conclusion and goodbye to Las Vegas and AWS re:Invent 2024 GuestMax Peterson: https://www.linkedin.com/in/maxrpeterson/Erik Farr: https://www.linkedin.com/in/erikfarr/Rob Easton: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rob-easton-94a983/HostsDave Chapman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/Rob Kernahan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rob-kernahan/ProductionMarcel van der Burg: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcel-vd-burg/Dave Chapman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/SoundBen Corbett: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ben-corbett-3b6a11135/Louis Corbett: https://www.linkedin.com/in/louis-corbett-087250264/'Cloud Realities' is an original podcast from Capgemini