Psychologists Off the Clock

If you're trying to figure out how to navigate this whole adulthood thing, and maybe even do some personal growth along the way, we have the perfect episode for you this week!Listen in as Debbie talks with Satya Doyle Byock, Jungian psychotherapist, and author of the book Quarterlife: The Search for Self in Early Adulthood. Satya shares her ideas about the struggle to find both meaning and stability in adulthood, and offers ideas for fostering psychological growth.Listen and Learn: Hear Debbie's attempt to "nutshell" all of Jungian psychology in two minutes or less (Jungians everywhere, please forgive her!) Some of the unique aspects of the stage of quarterlife (or early adulthood, typically in the 20s and early 30s), and why Satya loves working with this age group in her clinical practice. Why quarterlife can be a time of "crisis" for some people, and how it can be viewed as an opportunity for psychological growth How the traditional markers of adulthood reflect acquisition culture. How the traditional markers of adulthood reflect acquisition culture. The tension between seeking meaning and stability, and the unique challenges faced by "meaning types" and "stability types" What Carl Jung had to say about the "serpentine path" of self-exploration Why it can be worthwhile to explore the darker, "shadow" aspects of ourselves The four pillars of psychological growth How Jungian and behavioral psychology approaches might have more in common than you realize! (And yes, non-therapist listeners, we know you might not care about this at all!) Resources: Buy the book Quarterlife: The Search for Self in Early Adulthood! Find Satya online at SatyaByock.com and follow her on Instagram @satyabyock. Check out some online salons & seminars on classical Jungian psychology and its current application at SalomeInstitute.com and on Instagram: @satyabyock. Grab your copy of all our favorite books at bookshop.org/shop/offtheclockpsych. Check out Debbie, Yael, and Jill’s websites to access their offerings, sign up for their newsletters, buy their books, and more!  About SatyaSatya Doyle Byock is a psychotherapist in private practice in Portland, Oregon and the author of Quarterlife: The Search for Self in Early Adulthood (Random House, 2022). Her clinical work and writing focus on how developmental psychology attends to the first twenty years of adulthood, incorporating a depth psychological as well as social justice lens. Rather than just emphasize the search for security and stability in this stage of life, Satya has introduced a framework for an exploration of meaning as well.Satya’s clinical work, writing, and teaching are rooted in Jungian psychology, trauma-informed care, and historical research. She teaches online at The Salome Institute of Jungian Studies, which she founded and directs.You can find her at SatyaByock.com and SalomeInstitute.com and on Instagram: @satyabyock.Related Episodes 138. Exploring Existence and Purpose: Existentialism with Robyn Walser 116. Building a Meaningful, Values-based Life with Jenna LeJeune 79. Thriving In Adolescence with Louise Hayes Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoicesSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Doing social justice work of any kind, whether it's in our homes with their families or out in the world causes us to encounter uncomfortable feelings like confusion, shame, guilt, and overwhelm. But, according to Dolly Chugh, the author of a powerful new book, A More Justice Future, it isn't a problem to have those emotions; it's more a question of what should we do with them? Join the conversation with Dolly to gain insights into our wired-in biases, our natural emotional responses to reckoning with a painful past and present, and science-backed tools to use our responses more skillfully to build a more just future. About Dolly Chugh: Dr. Dolly Chugh is an award-winning social psychologist at NYU Stern School of Business where she studies bounded ethicality, or what she calls the psychology of good people. In 2018, she delivered a popular TED talk, “How to Let Go of Being a Good Person and Become a Better Person.” She is the author of The Person You Mean to Be, which offered the argument that the more we believe we are already good people, the harder it is to become better people. And her new book, which we are here to discuss, is A More Justice Future.Listen and Learn: The power of learning to pronounce one another’s names The paradox of the narrative around American pioneers, like the Laura Ingalls Wilder family The value of being a lifelong “unlearner” How principles from acceptance and commitment therapy can help us reckon with the past How to unhook from the dominant cultural narratives to capture greater accuracy and more helpful nuance How studies of home team bias and group identity in sports help us understand that bias is wired into us as part of being human How Dolly understands the controversy around Critical Race Theory Different narratives around history, and what are the most useful kinds of narratives to adopt. What is a paradox mindset and how to practice having one How stories we tell about our history problematically obscure how change happens The power of a growth mindset in doing social justice work How to build more nuance into some of our cultural fables (and why we should)  The fable of Dolly's own life that she's worked to introduce nuance into Resources: Dolly’s website A More Justice Future, by Dolly Chugh The Person You Mean to Be, by Dolly Chugh Dolly’s TEDx Talk, How to Let Go of Being a Good Person and Become a Better Person  Related Episodes Episode 200: Growing Grit with Angela Duckworth Episode 234. The Power of Us with Dominic Packer Episode 256. Social Justice Parenting with Tracy Baxley Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoicesSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Parenting books and research on kids often lump middle schoolers together with young elementary school kids or older adolescents. This obscures the fact that middle school is its own distinct phase. Join Jill as she talks with therapist, school counselor, and middle school expert, Phyllis Fagell, about the unique challenges middle schoolers face and how parents can help them build key skills to thrive. Fagell sees middle school as parents’ “last best chance” to influence their kids at a time when they are still impressionable and still really care what their parents think. Listen and Learn:·      What Yael’s friends and son shared were their greatest middle school challenges·      Why middle school matters—what is unique about this development stage and why we should attend to it·      How we can encourage critical thinking in middle schoolers using hypothetical scenarios·      The importance of purpose, what purpose really means, and how to help kids connect with theirs·      Why kids tell lies and how to handle it when they do·      How to manage tough questions about sex, drugs, and other challenging topics·      The difference between bullying and other interpersonal challenges and when to intervene vs letting kids work things out on their ownAbout Phyllis FagellPhyllis L. Fagell, LCPC is the school counselor at Sheridan School in Washington, DC, a therapist who works with kids and families inprivate practice, and an author and journalist. She's the author of “Middle School Matters” and a frequent contributor to the Washington Post. She also freelances for publications including Psychology Today, CNN, Working Mother, U.S. News & World Report and Your Teen, and her ideas have been shared in outlets including The New York Times,The Atlantic, The New Yorker, Edutopia, Mindshift and NPR. Phyllis currently is working on her next book, "Middle School Superpowers, Raising Resilient Tweens in Turbulent Times," (Hachette, August '23). She lives in Bethesda, MD with her husband and three children.Resources:Phyllis’s website and sign up for hernewsletter: https://phyllisfagell.comPhyllis’s twitter: @pfagellRelated Episodes·       Episode 79. Thriving in Adolescence with Louise Hayes·       Episode 113. Self-Compassion for Parents with Susan Pollak·       Episode 159. Challenging Time During Adolescence with Louise Hayes·       Episode 214. How to Raise Kids Who Aren’t Jerks·       Episode 240. Talking to Kids and Teens with Big Feelings with Adele LaFrance·       Episode 265. Social Justice Parenting with Traci Baxley·       Episode 267. You Are Not a Horrible Parent with Carla NaumburgOffers and Events:The way we approach and treat trauma has been evolving – even in just the last several years. The National Institute for the ClinicalApplication of Behavioral Medicine (NICABM) has interviewed the top experts in the treatment of trauma and narrowed down hours of interviews to a carefully curated training program. Each week, all the experts focus on a single topic in trauma treatment. It’s free to watch the weekly course broadcasts, you just have to sign up at TraumaMasterSeries.com/POTC Or, you can purchase the GoldPackage to own the complete program (with transcripts, video and audio downloads and bonuses) at 50% off the normal price! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoicesSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Friendships matter deeply for our mental, emotional, and physical wellbeing. But unlike kids, adults generally don’t knock on their neighbors’ doors and say, “Hey wanna come outside and play?” Making and keeping friends in adulthood is tricky (to say the least). Join us for a special conversation about friendship. In the first half of this episode, Yael and Debbie discuss how they see some of the issues in cultivating friendships in adulthood. The second half of this episode features clinical psychologist, Adam Dorsay, whose TEDx talk, Friendships in Adulthood: Five Things to Know lays out important ideas we can all learn from. Tune in to learn about common challenges and tips for overcoming them, what to look for in friends, how to be a good friend yourself, and much more.Listen and Learn: The science behind why quality (not quantity) friendships are so important in adulthood Common challenges to making friends in adulthood The problem of loneliness The challenges inherent in investing in adult friendships relationships The dangers of expecting too much of any one friend and how to overcome that challenge Ideas for finding new friends Considerations in choosing friends Understanding what being a good friend looks like Data on why is friendship good for our love lives About Adam DorsayDr. Adam Dorsay is a licensed psychologist and a certified executive coach working in private practice in San Jose, CA. He is the co-creator of Project Reciprocity, a resiliency program based out of FaceBook’s headquarters. In 2021, Adam was a featured TEDx speaker on the topic of friendships in adulthood. Resources:Adam’s website: https://dradamdorsay.com/Adam’s TEDx talk: Friendships in Adulthood: Five Things to Know Article on the power of the casual check-inRelated Episodes: Episode 85. Emotion Efficacy with Aprilia West Episode 113. Self-Compassion for Parents with Susan Pollak Episode 168. Everyday Conversations: How Conversational Style Impacts Relationships with Deborah Tannen Episode 266. Future Tense with Tracy Dennis-Tiwary Episode 269. Connection Through Vulnerability with Rikke Kjelgaar Offers and Events:The way we approach and treat trauma has been evolving – even in just the last several years. The National Institute for the Clinical Application of Behavioral Medicine (NICABM) has interviewed the top experts in the treatment of trauma and narrowed down hours of interviews to a carefully curated training program. Each week, all the experts focus on a single topic in trauma treatment. It’s free to watch the weekly course broadcasts, you just have to sign up at TraumaMasterSeries.com/POTC Or, you can purchase the Gold Package to own the complete program (with transcripts, video and audio downloads and bonuses) at 50% off the normal price! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoicesSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

In this special bonus episode, we hear an excerpt from Daniel Pink, author of the book The Power of Regret, on the podcast A Slight Change of Plans, cohosted by cognitive scientist Dr. Maya Shankar. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoicesSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

In order to show up as our best selves for others, for all the roles that matter most to us, and to make the world a better place, we need to be able to have the important conversations with ourselves. In his new book, How Am I Doing?: 40 Conversations to Have with Yourself, Dr. Cory Yeager, a clinical psychologist and therapist for the Detroit Pistons, offers us 40 questions to help us start those important conversations with ourselves. Join Dr. Cory and Yael for a powerful conversation about why we need to have these conversations with ourselves and how to get that conversation started.Listen and Learn: Why we should be having more conversation with ourselves What can get in the way (and how to overcome it) The value of balanced positivity in the face of racial injustice What narrative solution focused therapy is How to form a helpful internal supreme court How to move from making the “right”choices to making your choices right  Why being vulnerable can free you Why moving forward often requires us also to look back What you can do with just 23 seconds Resources: How Am I Doing?: 40 Conversations to Have with Yourself, By Cory Yeager Dr. Corey’s website About Dr. Corey YeagerDr. Cory Yeager is a therapist who merges his two main passions–athletics and therapy–as the Detroit Piston’s psychotherapist. In this role, he supports the overall organization, individual players, coaching staff, and front office leadership. His work also aims to advance dialogue about race and racism and he has facilitated conversation across the country with various organizations including The Oprah Winfrey Network and elsewhere. And he is also known for his appearance on Harry and Oprah's show, The Me You Can’t See on Apple TV+. Related Episodes Episode 85. Emotion Efficacy with Aprilia West Episode 183. Permission to Feel with Marc Brackett Episode 265. The Power of Emotions at Work with Karla McLaren Episode 269. Connection Through Vulnerability with Rikke Kjelgaar Offers and Events through POTC:The way we approach and treat trauma has been evolving – even in just the last several years. The National Institute for the Clinical Application of Behavioral Medicine (NICABM) has interviewed the top experts in the treatment of trauma and narrowed down hours of interviews to a carefully curated training program. Each week, all the experts focus on a single topic in trauma treatment. It’s free to watch the weekly course broadcasts, you just have to sign up at TraumaMasterSeries.com/POTC Or, you can purchase the Gold Package to own the complete program (with transcripts, video and audio downloads and bonuses) at 50% off the normal price! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoicesSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Do you want to be a badass? Sometimes being a badass means asking for help, being vulnerable, and admitting you can’t do it all on your own. Join Jill as she talks with psychologist and ACT trainer, Rikke Kjelgaard about how to live a full and meaningful life through psychological flexibility. In this episode, Rikke and Jill get personal, sharing their own vulnerable stories and experiences in hopes of inspiring listeners to get out of their comfort zones and get brave.Listen and Learn: What it means to live “full size” and be a badass How Rikke’s learning history led her to be a “superwoman” who never asked for help—and how she overcame this How childhood patterns “work” when they develop but cease to be helpful later in life The importance of discriminating in what contexts behaviors work or don’t work The importance of connection and community, especially when being psychologically flexible gets hard A values clarification exercise developed by one of Jill’s clients The importance of holding outcomes lightly How to play big even after you get cut down About Rikke KjelgaardRikke Kjelgaard is a licensed psychologist, peer-reviewed ACT trainer, an awarded fellow of the ACBS, author, speaker and chief rock’n’roller in her own business. Rikke is on a mission to help therapists thrive and to be brave and authentic helpers. Trained as a clinical psychologist, she has a 15 year background in the science of human behaviour and the practice of behaviour change. Rikke is a popular speaker at the Scandinavian as well as the international stage, and she is known to bring both passion and vulnerability to her talks. She transforms the lives of her audience by bringing evidence based strategies to her listeners in ways that are edible, manageable and impactful. Rikke is known to leave her audience in tears with compelling stories from her own life and to create extraordinary interactions between people. ResourcesRikke’s essay in Passionately Striving in Why: An Anthology of Women Who Persevere Mightily to Live Their Purpose: https://www.rikkekjelgaard.com/passionately-striving-in-why/Rikke’s website: www.rikkekjelgaard.comRikke’s ACT Practitioner’s Academy that opens on October 1st: https://www.rikkekjelgaard.com/actpractitionersacademy/Related Episodes265. The Power of Emotions at Work262. Hope and Values in Dark Times with Us252. Getting the Help You Need with Us238. Values During Times of Transition with Us198. Belonging From the Inside Out with Meg McKelvie198. Break the Good Girl Myth with Majo Molfino Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoicesSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Suicidal thoughts are a more common human experience than you may realize, and many lives are impacted by suicide. Often suicidal thoughts are an indication that a person is in emotional pain, and there are tools that can help. Talking more openly about suicide can help to reduce stigma, and encourage people to reach out for support. September is Suicide Prevention Awareness Month, and this week we are grateful to have Dr. Katie Gordon, a suicide expert and author of The Suicidal Thoughts Workbook on the show. In this conversation, Katie shares practical ideas that will be helpful for people having suicidal thoughts, as well as their friends and family who want to support them. Listen and Learn: How stigma about suicide can can get in the way of much-needed support, and why we at POTC think it’s important to talk more openly about suicidal thoughts. Why people think about suicide Ways to cope with suicidal thoughts and urges The role of hope and hopelessness in suicidal thinking The importance of belonging and meaning in suicide prevention How to support a loved one who is thinking about suicide.  About safety planning for a suicidal crisis Resources Pick up a copy of Katie's book, The Suicidal Thoughts Workbook 988 Suicide & Crisis Lifeline (1-800-273-8255) Crisis Text Line Website for International Suicide Hotlines: http://www.suicide.org/international-suicide-hotlines.html National Sexual Assault Hotline Trans Lifeline The Trevor Project Rocky Mountain MIRECC for Veteran Suicide Prevention Suicide Prevention Resource Center Click here for information on what to do when someone is suicidal  Click here for information on what not to say about suicide The My3 Safety Planning App The Virtual Hope Box App for Apple and Google Play  Postvention Alliance (for coping with suicide attempts or suicide) SPRC Postvention Resources Uniting for Suicide Postvention Click here for information on how to talk to a child about a suicide attempt Safety Planning Intervention Webpage A suicide safety plan quick guide  Two different options for safety planning templates can be found here and here Grab your copy of all our favorite books at bookshop.org/shop/offtheclockpsych. Check out Debbie, Yael, and Jill’s websites to access their offerings, sign up for their newsletters, buy their books, and more!  About Katie GordonKathryn Hope Gordon, PhD, is a licensed clinical psychologist. She lives in the Boston area and specializes in cognitive behavioral therapy (CBT). Prior to working as a therapist, Gordon was a professor for ten years. She is a mental health researcher who has published more than 80 scientific articles and book chapters on suicidal behavior, disordered eating, and related topics. Her clinical scientist approach is informed by her graduate training at Florida State University, and her predoctoral internship at the University of Chicago Medical Center. She is the author of The Suicidal Thoughts Workbook: CBT Skills to Reduce Emotional Pain, Increase Hope, and Prevent Suicide. Gordon cohosts the Psychodrama podcast, blogs for Psychology Today, and shares mental health information through her website: www.kathrynhgordon.com. She writes a newsletter called Mental Health Minute, which you can subscribe to here. She is licensed in Massachusetts, Minnesota, and North Dakota and provides suicide prevention trainings to clinicians.Related Episodes: Episode 190. ACT for Suicide Prevention with Sean Barnes Episode 261. The Secret Life of Secrets with Michael Slepian Episode 118. Moral Injury and Shame with Lauren Borges and Jacob Farnsworth Episode 77. Acceptance and Commitment Therapy with Jill Stoddard Episode 138. Exploring Existence and Purpose: Existentialism with Robyn Walser Episode 116. Building a Meaningful, Values-based Life with Jenna LeJeune    Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoicesSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

If you think you’re a horrible parent, well, you’re not alone! Thinking we such at parenting seems to be an inherent part of parenting made worse by the pandemic, financial stressors, and general unease we live with. The wise and witty Carla Naumburg joins us to share tools from her latest book, You are Not a Sh*tty Parent. Along with some humor and spicy language, we can self-compassion to better cope with the unavoidable stressors of parenting. Listen and Learn: What is self-compassion and what isn’t it How self-compassion differs from being nice Why engaging in self-criticism to connect gets us in trouble The metaphor of first versus second arrows and how this helps us understand how to better respond to our suffering Noticing practices Practices to connect to the present Practices to connect to common humanity Practices of curiosity About Carla:Carla Naumburg is an author, clinical social worker, and mother. She’s the author of five non-fiction books, including her international bestseller, How to Stop Losing Your Sh*t With Your Kids as well as You Are Not a Sh*tty Parent. Carla’s writing has appeared in a variety of online and print publications, including The New York Times, The Washington Post, The Huffington Post, Mindful Magazine, Slate.com, Psychology Today, WBUR’s Cognoscenti Blog, Brain, Child, Motherwell, Parents.com, PsychCentral, and Today Moms. Resources: Article on the dangers of body positivity: What’s the Difference Between Body Positivity and Body Neutrality? Carla’s website Book: How to Stop Losing Your Sh*t With Your Kids  Pre-order You Are Not a Sh*tty Parent here! Related Episodes: Episode 75. Mindful Self-Compassion with Christopher Germer Episode 80. Meditation for Fidgety Skeptics with Jeff Warren Episode 113. Self-Compassion for Parents with Susan Pollak Episode 129. Yoga for All and Body Kindness with Jennifer Webb Episode 149. How Not to Lose it with Your Kids with Carla Naumberg Episode 201. Fierce Compassion with Kristin Neff Episode 223 Mom Brain Returns with Ilyse Dobrow DiMarco Episode 251. Wonder with Frank Keil Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoicesSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Anxiety has long gotten a bad wrap. But maybe part of why anxiety is so much on the rise and harming so many people comes back to how we understand anxiety. Tracy Dennis-Tiwary, author Future Tense: Why Anxiety is Good for You (Even Though it Feels Bad) joins us to discuss why re-thinking anxiety can help us out. As Adam Grant noted in his blurb, this conversation and this book “Is going smash your existing views about anxiety and replace them with more helpful ones.”Listen and Learn: The three principles of being anxious in the right way Tracy’s insights into the difference between fear, stress, anxiety, and anxiety disorders Why anxiety has a public relations problem What are the useful functions of anxiety  Why hope is so fundamental to anxiety How shifting our anxiety mindset can help treatment for anxiety disorders more effective Why the medical model of treating anxiety is so problematic Why children, even children with anxiety, are anti-fragile (and how to wisely approach anxiety in youth) In-the-moment strategies to manage an upsurge in anxiety  What Attention Bias Modification is and how it works to help us manage anxiety The connection between anxiety and creativity Resources: Jeremy Jamieson’s study of mindest shift for individuals with social anxiety Study cited investigating the link between creativity and anxiety Alia Crum’s Ted Talk Kelly McGonigal’s Ted Talk Tracy's website Tracy's book, Future Tense: Why Anxiety is Good for You (Even Though it Feels Bad) About Tracy Dennis-TiwaryTracy A. Dennis-Tiwary, is a professor of psychology and neuroscience, Director of the Emotion Regulation Lab, and Co-Executive Director of the Center for Health Technology at Hunter College. Her company, Wise Therapeutics, translates neuroscience and cognitive therapy techniques into gamified, clinically validated digital therapeutics for mental health. Dr. Dennis-Tiwary has published over 100 scientific articles and delivered over 400 presentations at academic conferences and for corporate clients, and has been featured throughout the media, including the New York Times, Wall Street Journal, ABC, CBS, CNN, NPR, The Today Show, and Bloomberg Television. You can find Tracy at her website or on Twitter.Related Episodes: Episode 209. The Art of Managing Pressure with Hank Weisinger Episode 227. The Science of Happy with Sonja Lyubomirsky Episode 233. Dopamine Nation with Anna Lembke Episode 235: The Urge with Dr. Carl Erik Fisher Episode 259. Rethinking Delusions with Victoria Sheperd Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoicesSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.