
Learning How to See with Brian McLaren
How do we transform and transcend our biases? From judgments made unconsciously to complacency in systemic evil, we must learn how to see if we are to learn how to transform. Center for Action and Contemplation faculty member Brian McLaren hosts the podcast series Learning How to See. Listen and discover how seeing is social, political, and contemplative.
Latest episodes

Nov 3, 2023 • 39min
Isolation Stories
“To be fully in the world is to believe that we can love other people and places more than we fear them.” –Gareth Higgins Have you convinced yourself that you are better off alone? Today we're exploring the dynamics of the Isolation Story — the belief that we can avoid pain by avoiding others. As Gareth Higgins explains, “While it may not be physically violent, the Isolation Story is more than harmful, because it does two things. First, it moves us toward less connection with others, and therefore less community and support when we need it. And second, it turns life grey, where we miss out on the gifts of the rainbow.” Resources:
The transcript for this episode can be found here.
To learn more about Gareth Higgins, click here.
To learn more about Brian McLaren, click here.
To explore the seven stories in more depth, visit the website here. You'll find details about the children's book, essays for adults, and more.
Connect with us:
Have a question you'd like Brian or Gareth to answer about the seven stories? Email us: podcasts@cac.org or leave us voicemail. Questions for this season will only be accepted until November 22nd, 2023.
This podcast is made possible, thanks to the generosity of our donors. If you would love to support the ongoing work of the Center for Action and Contemplation and the continued work of our podcasts, you can donate at https://cac.org/support-cac/podcasts/ Thank you!

Oct 27, 2023 • 43min
Purification Stories
“Almost everybody who does evil has convinced themselves that they are doing good.” —Brian McLaren Have you ever convinced yourself that an unloving act was justified? In this episode, we're asking ourselves the tough questions and peeling back the layers of the Purification Story — a narrative with complex dynamics that can lead us to harmful interactions with others and ourselves. Resources:
The transcript for this episode can be found here.
To learn more about Gareth Higgins, click here.
To learn more about Brian McLaren, click here.
To explore the seven stories in more depth, visit the website here. You'll find details about the children's book, essays for adults, and more.
Connect with us:
Have a question you'd like Brian or Gareth to answer about the seven stories? Email us: podcasts@cac.org or leave us voicemail. Questions for this season will only be accepted until November 22nd, 2023.
This podcast is made possible, thanks to the generosity of our donors. If you would love to support the ongoing work of the Center for Action and Contemplation and the continued work of our podcasts, you can donate at https://cac.org/support-cac/podcasts/ Thank you!

Oct 20, 2023 • 38min
Revolution Stories
“If you want a better world, tell a better story — especially one that centers justice without vengeance.” –Gareth Higgins How do we tell stories that offer us the best chance of creating a more peaceful and loving reality? In this episode of Learning How to See, we're exploring stories of revolution. Although these tales often contain values of heroism and liberty, they are more likely to feed into the cycle of violence rather than end it. Resources:
The transcript for this episode can be found here.
To learn more about Gareth Higgins, click here.
To learn more about Brian McLaren, click here.
To explore the seven stories in more depth, visit the website here. You'll find details about the children's book, essays for adults, and more.
Connect with us:
Have a question you'd like Brian or Gareth to answer about the seven stories? Email us: podcasts@cac.org or leave us voicemail. Questions for this season will only be accepted until November 22nd, 2023.
This podcast is made possible, thanks to the generosity of our donors. If you would love to support the ongoing work of the Center for Action and Contemplation and the continued work of our podcasts, you can donate at https://cac.org/support-cac/podcasts/ Thank you!

Oct 13, 2023 • 50min
Domination Stories
“Stories shape our reality, whether they are true or not.” —Gareth Higgins What if you told the story of your life differently? Explore the powerful influence of stories in shaping our experiences in the newest season of Learning How to See with Brian McLaren and Gareth Higgins. In this episode, we explore the Domination Story, a way of understanding our world that distorts our relationships with others and the Earth. Learn how to identify and shift this kind of story so that you can experience a truer and more loving reality. Resources:
The transcript for this episode can be found here.
To learn more about Gareth Higgins, click here.
To learn more about Brian McLaren, click here.
To explore the seven stories in more depth, visit the website here. You'll find details about the children's book, essays for adults, and more.
Connect with us:
Have a question you'd like Brian or Gareth to answer about the seven stories? Email us: podcasts@cac.org or leave us voicemail. Questions for this season will only be accepted until November 22nd, 2023.
This podcast is made possible, thanks to the generosity of our donors. If you would love to support the ongoing work of the Center for Action and Contemplation and the continued work of our podcasts, you can donate at https://cac.org/support-cac/podcasts/ Thank you!

Oct 6, 2023 • 43min
An Introduction to Seven Stories
Writer and peace builder Gareth Higgins joins Brian McLaren to discuss the power of storytelling in shaping a more just and loving world. They explore themes of power, oppression, friendship, and gratitude, introducing the concept of the seventh story as a path towards reconciliation and community building.

Jul 27, 2023 • 48min
Listener Questions: Navigating Faith Shifts in Marriage and Relationships
The podcast discusses how our faith impacts romantic relationships and provides advice on navigating faith shifts in marriage. It explores deeper patterns in relationships and emphasizes the importance of validating difficulties. The episode also delves into navigating differences in a changing relationship and understanding perspectives. It highlights the significance of authenticity in conversations and offers gratitude and reflection.

Jul 26, 2023 • 33min
Listener Questions: Jesus and Theology
In this podcast, Brian and his team respond to listener questions about Jesus and theology. They discuss the power of stories and interpretation, various atonement theories, the evolving nature of Christianity, interpretations of the cross symbol in Christianity, and the concept of alternative orthodoxy.

Jul 25, 2023 • 32min
Listener Questions: Community
What does community look like when our faith shifts?“If I support my grandson who is gay, what do I do with my Catholic faith?”Brian, and the team from the Center for Action and Contemplation reflect on questions that came in around community.Resources:A transcript for this episode can be found here.

Jul 24, 2023 • 41min
Listener Questions: Actions and Beliefs, and God's Intervention
The topic of questions related to this listener questions episode is on actions and beliefs, and if God intervenes.Listeners wrote in with questions such as: “Does God intervene? Does Jesus heal? What am I doing when I pray for people? What precisely is the gospel? If I only had more faith, prayed the right prayer, and believed the Bible literally, maybe these awful things like the death of my young sister-in-law may not have happened.” Brian, and the team from the Center for Action and Contemplation reflect on these questions.Resources:A transcript for this episode can be found here.

Mar 24, 2023 • 41min
Stay Human
Who reminds you of who you really are—even during dark times? Jacqui and Barbara are back, together, to explore ways to stay human amid fear and uncertainty. In this last episode exploring the chapters of 'How', these conversation partners explore the importance of humanity at the core of an authentic faith journey. Whether or not you continue to call yourself Christian—or a member of any other faith—how do we retain the courage to see the world as it truly is? Resources:The transcript for this episode can be found here.