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The podcast that tells true stories about the people making and breaking our digital world. We take listeners into the world of cyber and intelligence without all the techie jargon. Every Tuesday and Friday, former NPR investigations correspondent Dina Temple-Raston and the team draw back the curtain on ransomware attacks, mysterious hackers, and the people who are trying to stop them.
Latest episodes

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Feb 4, 2025 • 24min
SPECIAL FEATURE: ‘With AIs Wide Open’ from IRL: Online Life is Real Life
Bridget Todd, host of the IRL: Online Life is Real Life podcast and advocate for responsible AI, dives into the fascinating world of open-sourcing AI technology. She discusses the groundbreaking Stargate initiative and its potential in healthcare. The conversation unveils the ethical complexities surrounding large language models, emphasizing transparency and bias concerns. Todd also highlights the urgent need for regulation to tackle internet toxicity and ensure inclusivity in AI's development, advocating for collaborative, ethical practices.

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Jan 31, 2025 • 12min
Mic Drop: Tracking a Ghost
In a riveting discussion, a cybersecurity expert shares a humorous tale from the early internet, highlighting the growth of technology. The podcast dives into cryptic apps like Ghost, designed for anonymity but raising alarms over misuse. It sheds light on the Australian Federal Police's Operation Kraken, which successfully infiltrated encrypted communications used by criminals. The conversation also touches on the ongoing battle between law enforcement and sophisticated tech, alongside intriguing insights into the vulnerabilities of cybersecurity initiatives.

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Jan 28, 2025 • 25min
Knights of Old and a ransomware joust
Discover the resilient history of a U.K. logistics company that has weathered wars and Brexit, only to face a modern threat in the form of a ransomware attack. The podcast draws parallels between knights in battle and the company's tech team as they navigate chaos. It delves into the devastating effects of data loss and the harrowing decisions that follow, including the moral dilemma of paying a ransom. With a spotlight on the notorious Akira group, the discussion uncovers the evolving landscape of cybercrime and its impact on established enterprises.

Jan 24, 2025 • 14min
Mic Drop: Australia’s attempt to keep kids off social media
John Pane, a privacy advocate at Electronic Frontiers Australia, discusses Australia's controversial social media age-gating aimed at keeping kids under 16 offline. He argues this plan poses risks not only to youth privacy but also to broader human rights. Pane highlights the ineffectiveness of age verification methods and warns about the potential increase in surveillance. He emphasizes the importance of balancing child safety with privacy rights, raising alarms about how such regulations could impact marginalized communities.

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Jan 21, 2025 • 30min
Australia takes aim at encrypted apps
Alex Linton, one of the creators of the encrypted messaging app Session, discusses the app's vital role during protests in Iran and its unique features for secure communication. He delves into the challenges posed by Australia's controversial TOLA law, risking user privacy in favor of law enforcement. Linton highlights the tensions between individual privacy rights and national security, including a crucial Supreme Court case. He also shares how Session's relocation to Switzerland aims to combat global privacy erosion and the ongoing battle for encrypted communications.

Jan 17, 2025 • 11min
Mic Drop: Elon Musk, come and get your space junk.
Jordan Hobbs, an Australian cattle farmer and newfound local celebrity, shares his unexpected encounter with SpaceX debris on his property. He recounts the bizarre moment he discovered a charred metallic object among his cattle. Jordan discusses the challenges of space junk, the broader implications for space exploration, and even jokes about potential compensation from Elon Musk. His journey reflects the fascinating intersections of rural life and modern technology, offering a humorous yet thought-provoking look at how space debris impacts our world.

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Jan 14, 2025 • 24min
Space Jam: What if adversaries hacked a dead satellite?
Ed Lu, a former NASA astronaut, has shifted his focus from asteroid impacts to the alarming issue of space debris weaponization. He discusses the risks posed to astronauts on the International Space Station and highlights NASA's innovative DART mission for asteroid deflection. Lu also warns about the potential consequences of hacking defunct satellites and emphasizes the urgent need for regulatory measures to protect our space assets. The conversation sheds light on the dual threats from adversarial forces and the increasing dangers posed by space debris.

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Jan 10, 2025 • 12min
Mic Drop: Russia’s unexpected wartime real estate boom
Amidst conflict, Russia experiences a surprising real estate boom, driven by military spending and high salaries attracting new recruits. Tech professionals reveal the contrasting resilience and decline within the economy. As families of fallen soldiers face 'deathonomics,' ethical questions arise about profiting from war. The influx of recruits, aided by mortgage subsidies, reshapes both urban and rural housing markets while raising concerns about the long-term impact on society and businesses.

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Jan 7, 2025 • 26min
Tech workers return to Russia, not quite with love
Explore the tumultuous experiences of Russian tech workers returning home after initially fleeing the war in Ukraine. Discover the emotional and practical challenges they face as they navigate cultural adjustments and economic hardships stemming from international sanctions. Hear about a family's dramatic journey back, fueled by a near-drowning incident, and the resilience of the Russian economy despite restrictions. Delve into the government's efforts to bring IT specialists back amidst geopolitical tensions and rising cybersecurity concerns.

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Jan 3, 2025 • 14min
Mic Drop: The demise of ransomware and the rise of crypto
In this intriguing discussion, Alexander Leslie, a threat intelligence analyst at Recorded Future, dives into the dramatic changes in cybercrime. He reveals how 2024 was a pivotal year for takedowns, especially against the notorious Lockbit group. Leslie explains the shifting strategies of cybercriminals in response to intensified law enforcement pressure. The conversation also highlights the delicate balance between cryptocurrency regulations and cybercrime, emphasizing how political views are evolving and what this means for the future of ransomware.
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