
White Hot Hate: Agent Pale Horse
<p>FBI undercover agent Scott Payne’s job was to infiltrate the most dangerous gangs of our times: outlaw bikers, drug cartels and the international neo-Nazi networks hellbent on inciting a race war. </p><p><br></p><p>He was taking down these groups from within. And Scott was good at it — people confided in him their most audacious plans for mass violence and domestic terrorism.</p><p><br></p><p>In the second season of White Hot Hate, host Michelle Shephard gives you an unvarnished view of a life undercover. Because after a 28-year-long career pretending to be somebody else, Agent Payne is ready to tell his side of the story. <strong>Coming March 25, 2025.</strong></p><p><br></p><p><span class="ql-cursor"></span>This series was produced alongside a book co-written by Scott Payne and Michelle Shephard titled Code Name: Pale Horse: How I Went Undercover to Expose America's Nazis.</p>
Latest episodes

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Apr 29, 2025 • 46min
Season 2, Episode 6: Get Behind Me, Satan
Scott Payne, a seasoned FBI undercover agent with 28 years of experience infiltrating neo-Nazi networks, shares his gripping insights into extremist groups like The Base. He recounts harrowing tales from inside a hate camp, revealing bizarre rituals and chilling violence. The discussion unveils the disturbing dynamics of plotting against perceived enemies, all while highlighting the moral complexities of undercover work. As he reflects on life post-retirement, Payne emphasizes the need for purpose in combating hate and fostering understanding in society.

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Apr 22, 2025 • 36min
Season 2, Episode 5: Klan Kologne
Scott Payne, a former FBI undercover agent who infiltrated neo-Nazi networks, shares his chilling experiences of joining the KKK in Alabama. He recounts the unsettling atmosphere of a rally infused with armed individuals and the bizarre rituals that normalize hate. Scott dives deep into his own personal journey through racism and the emotional toll of undercover work. He discusses the troubling history of the Klan, the complexities of extremist ideologies, and the risks associated with domestic terrorism, shedding light on a dark facet of American society.

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Apr 15, 2025 • 44min
Season 2, Episode 4: Do Not Recommend
In a gripping conversation, Scott Payne, a former FBI undercover agent, shares his harrowing experiences infiltrating biker gangs like the Outlaws. After 28 years of service, he discusses the emotional toll of balancing dangerous missions with family life. His wife, Kara Payne, provides candid insights into the challenges and sacrifices faced while being married to someone living a perilous double life. Together, they explore love amidst chaos, the psychological strain from undercover work, and the need for mental health support in high-stress environments.

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Apr 8, 2025 • 34min
Season 2, Episode 3: Who’s A Rat Dot Com
Scott Payne, an FBI undercover agent known as Agent Pale Horse, shares gripping stories from his infiltration of violent gangs, including the Outlaws Motorcycle Club. Alongside Thomas Higginbotham, a former Massachusetts State Police trooper, they delve into the harrowing realities of undercover work, discussing the intense rivalries between motorcycle gangs and the complex web of trust required in high-stakes operations. They reveal shocking moments from their lives, including dangerous encounters that tested their resolve and ethics.

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Apr 1, 2025 • 32min
Season 2, Episode 2: You Got Anything for Rednecks?
Scott Payne, a former FBI undercover agent known for infiltrating neo-Nazi networks, shares his remarkable journey from a satan-worshiping teen to a celebrated operative. He reflects on creating the Barn Dominium, blending personal and professional milestones. Payne dives into his transformative conversion experience and the challenges of balancing faith with his undercover work. He offers insights into the art of conflict navigation in bars and the adrenaline rush of infiltrating dangerous gangs, revealing the complexities of undercover life.

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Mar 25, 2025 • 31min
Season 2, Episode 1: The Insider
An undercover FBI agent navigates a perilous meeting with a notorious neo-Nazi group, The Base, showcasing the stark realities of infiltrating extremist circles. The tension escalates as he adopts a false identity, highlighting the dangers and moral dilemmas faced by operatives in such operations. Shocking encounters reveal the alarming recruitment tactics used to draw in vulnerable youth, while personal stories unravel the emotional struggles experienced by families connected to these ideologies. The chilling atmosphere exposes the urgent need for societal awareness of extremism.

Mar 18, 2025 • 3min
Introducing White Hot Hate Season 2: Agent Pale Horse
Listen to the gripping tales of an FBI agent as he reveals the dark world of infiltrating dangerous gangs and extremist groups. Discover the intense psychological battles and moral dilemmas faced while unearthing hate-driven ideologies. Dive into the emotional toll of living undercover, where fear and identity intertwine in a high-stakes game. This is a raw and unfiltered look at the challenges of understanding and combatting extremism.

Nov 24, 2021 • 39min
Season 1, Episode 6: “Give them what they deserve”
<p>Patrik Mathews could be facing up to 25 years in prison for U.S. firearm offences. His and others’ arrests may have destroyed the appeal of accelerationist groups like The Base — but where is the movement heading now? For transcripts of this series, please visit: https://www.cbc.ca/radio/podcastnews/white-hot-hate-transcripts-listen-1.6226840</p>

Nov 16, 2021 • 48min
Season 1, Episode 5: The ‘Network Administrator’
<p>We speak with ‘Roman Wolf,’ the founder of The Base. Who is he really? Why did he start a white supremacist network? And with half a dozen members behind bars, what comes next? For transcripts of this series, please visit: https://www.cbc.ca/radio/podcastnews/white-hot-hate-transcripts-listen-1.6226840</p>

Nov 9, 2021 • 29min
Season 1, Episode 4: “It only takes a few”
<p>Some members of The Base are planning deadly attacks that they hope will spark a race war. Will they be stopped, before it's too late? For transcripts of this series, please visit: https://www.cbc.ca/radio/podcastnews/white-hot-hate-transcripts-listen-1.6226840</p>