

Above the Law - Thinking Like a Lawyer
Legal Talk Network
Thinking Like A Lawyer is a podcast featuring Above the Law's Joe Patrice, Kathryn Rubino, and Chris Williams. Each episode, the hosts will take a topic experienced and enjoyed by regular people, and shine it through the prism of a legal framework. This will either reveal an awesome rainbow of thought, or a disorienting kaleidoscope of issues. Either way, it should be fun.
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Feb 28, 2024 • 30min
Return To Office Policies Attempt To Catch Bees With Vinegar
Law firms are getting strict on office attendance policies, sparking debates on punishment vs. incentives for lawyers. A judge questions Trump's manhood, while Amy Wax fights back against criticisms. The podcast also explores controversial views on racial superiority and legal AI platforms.

Feb 21, 2024 • 33min
Hard To Say Where Arrested Lawyer Went Wrong But Posting About Selling Drugs Probably Didn't Help
The Alabama Supreme Court ruled that frozen embryos are living children for the purposes of Alabama law. And while there are a lot of serious implications for the future of family fertility efforts, let's take a second to consider how much this absolutely breaks the state's rule against perpetuities. An attorney in the YSL case faces gang charges herself. She's made some... marketing decisions. Hogan Lovells must ponder whether invoking the wrath of ancient Roman poltergeists are worth a prime office location. Has anyone considered just working from home?

Feb 14, 2024 • 33min
It Pays To Be A Delusional Hack
Even-keeled professionalism may pay off over time, but being a mercurial lunatic always pays off now.______________________________Former Trump aide Stephen Miller used Super Bowl week to launch a stunt employment discrimination complaint against the NFL. The rule in question is the subject of a much better legal challenge that it doesn't do ENOUGH to address anti-Black discrimination, but nothing about Miller's legal moves have much connection to reality -- up to and including the fact that he IS NOT A LAWYER. The Supreme Court heard oral argument in the insurrection case and Chief John Roberts hasn't shown his complete ignorance of basic facts about American elections since Shelby County. Finally, Judge Aileen Cannon receives motion to reconsider, the boldest litigation move of all since it requires counsel so confident in their eventual success that they're willing to call the trial judge a moron.

Feb 7, 2024 • 34min
Habba Dabba Doo!
We're reaching peak Alina saturation.___________Last week may have officially been "Legalweek" but it was bad lawyer week at Above the Law, where Alina Habba dominated traffic with her ongoing futility. Her rapid retreat from the very phony "it's actually bias that so many prominent lawyers all worked at Paul Weiss" motion after being informed of the very real sanctions that could result. Robbie Kaplan, one of the Paul Weiss alumni in question, also shared her story of Donald Trump pulling out the half-clever schoolyard insults. We also discuss a firm that announced it would lay off 1/3 of the first years... but not say which ones! And we talk a little about Legalweek and how AI isn't quite ready for primetime... even as lawyers keep getting in trouble for trying.

Jan 31, 2024 • 29min
I Screwed Up Basic Trial Procedure And All I Got Was This Lousy Swimsuit: The Alina Habba Story
Sometimes you can't actually fake being smart._________________________________________________Alina Habba may soon be replaced in the Trump legal team constellation, but we'll always have memories of her crackerjack legal analysis and the stupid swimsuit debate. There are four justices who don't seem to care about the Supremacy Clause. And Davis Polk faced -- and successfully beat -- a discrimination suit.

Jan 24, 2024 • 31min
Alina Habba Goes Full Lionel Hutz In Latest Trump Trial
The podcast discusses Trump's lawyer's incompetence, a racial discrimination lawsuit against Troutman Pepper, an investigation into Clarence Thomas, and the fines imposed and response of the judicial conference. They also address the learning gap and racial discrimination in law firms, making assumptions about people, and upcoming legal tech events.

Jan 17, 2024 • 28min
Donald Trump's Legal Team Decides Not To Ask Permission OR Forgiveness
Who needs a judge's approval to start ranting in court? Every other person ever, you say?___________________________________________________Donald Trump's legal team informed Justice Arthur Engoron that their client would deliver closing remarks in violation of basic New York rules, setting off a series of decreasingly coherent emails with the judge over Trump's willingness to abide by the constraints of a closing argument. He was not willing to... but he went ahead and did it anyway. Meanwhile, Slaughter & May joined the ranks of firms trying to crack down on lawyers ducking the office using all its surveillance powers and another firm that announced matching bonuses has instituted a retroactive hours requirement to bait and switch its attorneys.

Jan 10, 2024 • 33min
Roberts Explains That Artificial Intelligence Can't Replace Judges Because How Would Billionaires Fly An AI To Luxury Resorts Anyway?
Maybe GPT-5 will want a free RV?_______________________________________________The Chief spent his entire annual report on the federal judiciary on the rise of artificial intelligence and how AI cannot possibly replace judges because the judge is so much harder and more nuanced than, say, calling balls and strikes. Not that anyone would be stupid enough to describe being a judge like that. Steven Calabresi has either lost his mind or is engaged in an epic troll with a series of pieces arguing that Clarence Thomas is the bestest and most incorruptible justice ever! Finally, plagiarism is all over the news for mostly bad faith reasons, but it highlights again that the law isn't easily governed by rules of plagiarism and copying by design.

Jan 3, 2024 • 46min
2023 Year In Review
The highs and mostly lows from the year that was.__________________________________________As we turn the page to 2024, we reminisce over the top stories at Above the Law over the past year. Layoffs, salary hikes, ethical quagmires at the Supreme Court, Donald Trump's criminal cases... the legal industry provided a lot of fodder for Above the Law this past year. Join Thinking Like A Lawyer as we discuss all the big stories of the year and ask the question: can it get any worse than this year? (Hint: it can).

Dec 20, 2023 • 31min
The Unbearable Lightness Of Being Rudy's Wallet
Law firms may hem and haw about raises, but they're still doing more than all right for themselves. Rudy's defamation trial did not go well. Before the latest development in the case, we talked about Michael Cohen's fake case brief and the implications of legal technology on criminal justice.