

Christ Over All
Christ Over All
Jesus Christ reigns over all things, and this podcast exists to help people see the reality and ramifications of this truth. We post at least four times a month: Twice, we will read aloud a longform essay from our monthly theme. And twice, we will discuss each essay with its author and another Christian leader. Listen in to live in light of Christ’s Lordship.
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Jun 24, 2024 • 26min
3.30 Joe Rigney • Reading • "The Unavoidable Either-Or: The Choice that Confronts Us in the Great Divorce"
The best books reflect us as we truly are while also showing what we might be in Christ.
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“The Unavoidable Either-Or: The Choice that Confronts Us in The Great Divorce” – Joe Rigney
Theme of the Month: Great Books Throughout the Ages
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Books to Read
The Great Divorce – C.S. Lewis
That Hideous Strength – C.S. Lewis
The Abolition of Man – C.S. Lewis
The Weight of Glory – C.S. Lewis
Leadership and Emotional Sabotage – Joe Rigney

Jun 17, 2024 • 1h 1min
3.29 Joe Rigney, David Schrock, Trent Hunter • Interview • "The Unavoidable Either-Or: The Choice that Confronts Us in The Great Divorce"
Listen in as Joe Rigney joins David Schrock and Trent Hunter to discuss his longform essay "The Unavoidable Either-Or: The Choice that Confronts Us in The Great Divorce" as well as the 2024 meeting of the Southern Baptist Convention.
Timestamps
Intro – 00:48
Law Amendment Update - 02:58
Rigney’s Reflections on the SBC - 03:35
Thinking Strategically Going Forward - 09:04
Trent’s Reflections on the SBC - 10:39
Living Under the Progressive Gaze - 12:09
What Makes a Classic a ‘Classic’? - 17:07
Lewis and His Background - 19:44
Trent on Reading More C.S. Lewis - 23:24
Expressing the Usefulness of Lewis but with caution - 26:00
What C.S. Lewis Fought Against in His Day - 34:30
How Should We Think about Books Outside the Christian Faith? - 39:54
Lewis and Appropriating Myths and Cultures from the Past - 45:32
The Characters in The Great Divorce - 50:04
Something Less Known from Lewis that is Worth Reading - 55:43
Closing and Outro - 58:20
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“The Unavoidable Either-Or: The Choice that Confronts Us in The Great Divorce” – Joe Rigney
“Encore: Reformed and Reforming the SBC: Christ Over the Law Amendment” – David Schrock
Theme of the Month: Great Books Throughout the Ages
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Books to Read
The Great Divorce – C.S. Lewis
That Hideous Strength – C.S. Lewis
The Abolition of Man – C.S. Lewis
The Weight of Glory – C.S. Lewis
Leadership and Emotional Sabotage – Joe Rigney

Jun 6, 2024 • 42min
3.28 Michael Carlino • Reading • "The SBC Isn't Drifting, It's Being Steered: A Sober-Minded Response to Emotional Sabotage"
Emotional sabotage has steered and shaped many of the major decisions of the Southern Baptist Convention from the early 2020s to the present. How? Keep listening.
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“The SBC Isn’t Drifting, It’s Being Steered: A Sober-Minded Response to Emotional Sabotage” – Michael Carlino
“Do You Feel My Pain? Empathy Sympathy, and Dangerous Virtues” – Joe Rigney
“Empathy, Feminism, and the Church” – Joe Rigney
“Of Empathy and Monsters” – Joe Rigney
“Brothers, Don’t Be Steered” – Joe Rigney
“The SBC in a Crowded Theater” – Mark Coppenger
“The Path Forward on Abuse Reform in the SBC” – Josh Abbotoy, Jon Whitehead
“Can the Cooperation Continue? What the End of the BSA Means for the Future of the SBC?” – Jon Whitehead
“Four Facts about Sexual Abuse in the Southern Baptist Convention (Part 1)” – Heath Lambert
“Four Facts about Sexual Abuse in the Southern Baptist Convention (Part 2)” – Heath Lambert
“Four Facts about Sexual Abuse in the Southern Baptist Convention (Part 3)” – Heath Lambert
“Four Facts about Sexual Abuse in the Southern Baptist Convention (Part 4)” – Heath Lambert
“Complementarian Confessional Conflagration” – Denny Burk
“How Many Pastors are in the SBC?” – Kevin McClure
The State of the SBC with Dr. Albert Mohler – Kenwood Institute
“Feminine Emotionalism and the Evangelical Conscience” – G. Shane Morris
“Not a Freelance Club: Identity, Association, and Confessionalism in the SBC” – Colin Smothers
““The Power and Duty of An Association”: Have Baptist Associations Historically Disfellowshipped Disorderly Churches?” – Caleb Morell
“Act Like Men” – Kevin DeYoung
“What Is Effeminacy?: A Survey of Scripture and History” – Steven Wedgeworth
SBCAmendment.org
Theme of the Month: Great Books Throughout the Ages
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Books to Read
Leadership and Emotional Sabotage – Joe Rigney
A Failure of Nerve: Leadership in the Age of the Quick Fix – Edwin Friedman

Jun 3, 2024 • 47min
3.27 Joe Rigney, Michael Carlino, David Schrock • Interview • "The SBC Isn't Drifting, It's Being Steered: A Sober-Minded Response to Emotional Sabotage"
Listen in as a Joe Rigney and Michael Carlino join David Schrock to discuss Joe's book Leadership and Emotional Sabotage and to apply the lessons from this book to the Southern Baptist Convention.
Timestamps
Intro – 00:28
Joe Rigney’s Time and Interest in the SBC - 03:26
The Genesis of Joe Rigney’s Book and Edwin Friedman 05:45
Rigney’s Influence on Michael Carlino - 10:18
How Do We See the Sin of Empathy Being Worked Out in the SBC Today? - 13:34
Friedman’s Fable Regarding Empathy - 16:35
Neutralizing the SBC and the Progressive Gaze - 21:54
Being Fractured and Frustrated - 26:14
Sensing the Steering - 27:22
How Does the Law Amendment Help the SBC to Not Be Steered? - 29:43
Feminism and Femininity -33:21
Women Should Not Be the Barometer for the Church - 36:04
The Female Gaze - 38:21
Deborah, Barak, and Jael - 39:51
The Levites Being Able to Suppress Brotherly Affection - 41:49
Closing and Outro - 45:16
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“The SBC Isn’t Drifting, It’s Being Steered: A Sober-Minded Response to Emotional Sabotage” – Michael Carlino
“Of Empathy and Monsters” – Joe Rigney
“With One Voice” – Joe Rigney
Center For Baptist Leadership Podcast
Learn about the Law Amendment at SBCAmendment.org
The Sin of Empathy – Doug Wilson and Joe Rigney
Donate to the SBC Giveaway of Leadership and Emotional Sabotage
Register for SBC at a Crossroads
Theme of the Month: Great Books Throughout the Ages
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Books to Read
Leadership and Emotional Sabotage – Joe Rigney
The Things of Earth: Treasuring God by Enjoying His Gifts – Joe Rigney
A Failure of Nerve: Leadership in the Age of the Quick Fix – Edwin Friedman
Friedman’s Fables – Edwin Friedman

May 30, 2024 • 1h 14min
3.26 Jeremy Peckham, Daniel Cochrane, David Schrock • Interview • "Masters or Slaves? AI and the Future of Humanity"
Listen in as the author of Masters or Slaves: AI and the Future of Humanity, Jeremy Peckham, and Daniel Cochrane join David Schrock for a biblical discussion on AI.
Timestamps
Intro – 00:33
Jeremy Peckham’s Background - 4:03
Daniel Cochrane’s Background - 09:18
The Myth of Neutrality - 12:30
Redefining Intelligence, Language, & the Imago Dei - 19:57
A.I. is More Than a Language-Based Technology - 28:25
Diminishing the Image of God is a Sin - 32:42
What is Lost by the Addition of A.I.? - 39:35
Brakes, Limits, and Counterweights Against A.I. - 45:25
The Impact on Policymakers - 55:42
Counsel & Encouragement for Believers - 1:02:20
Outro – 1:12:00
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“An Excerpt from Jeremy Peckham’s Master or Slaves? AI and the Future of Humanity” – Jeremy Peckham
“The Tower of Babel and the Ideology of AI” – Daniel Cochrane
Theme of the Month: What Has God Wrought?
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Books to Read
Masters or Slaves?: AI and the Future of Humanity – Jeremy Peckham

May 28, 2024 • 57min
3.25 Mike Kirby, David Schrock, Stephen Wellum • Interview • "Artificial Intelligence (AI): Tool, Image Bearer, Or Temptation?"
Listen in as Mike Kirby joins David Schrock and Stephen Wellum to discuss the longform essay "Artificial Intelligence (AI): Tool, Image Bearer, Or Temptation?" which he co-authored with Matthew Emadi.
Timestamps
Intro – 00:52
Matt Emadi and Mike Kirby and Their Work on Their Article for COA - 03:54
The Amoral Nature of Technology? - 08:24
How These Tools are Being Brought into the World Today - 10:53
What Are Some Ethical Boundaries That are Being Discussed? - 13:12
A.I. Winter and What Season We Are In Today - 18:45
Counseling the Church on the Speed at Which A.I. is Accelerating - 24:28
A.I. Becoming Self-Conscious? - 27:55
A.I. & Embodiment - 34:30
Transhumanism and Systematic Theology - 37:40
How Much Does Science Fiction Play into the Development of A.I. and What Do We Need to Brace For? - 44:58
Counsel to Those In, or Wanting to Be In, the Field of A.I. - 49:50
Pitfalls of Having All These Technologies Around Us - 52:37
Outro - 54:42
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“Artificial Intelligence (AI): Tool, Image Bearer, or Temptation?” – Mike Kirby & Matthew Emadi
“Does Power Corrupt or Enable? When and Why Power Facilitates Self-Interested Behavior” – Katherine A. De Celles, D. Scott DeRue, Joshua D. Margolis and Tara L. Ceramic
“The History of Artificial Intelligence: Complete AI Timeline” – Ron Karjian
“Google’s Gemini Controversy Explained: AI Model Criticized by Musk and Others Over Alleged Bias” – Antonio Pequeño IV
“’Absurdly woke’: Google’s AI chatbot spits out ‘diverse’ images of Founding Fathers, popes, Vikings” – Thomas Barrabi
“Google pauses Gemini’s Ability to Generate AI images of People after Diversity Errors” – Tom Warren
Theme of the Month: What Has God Wrought?
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Books to Read
The Singularity is Near: When Humans Transcend Biology – Ray Kurzweil
From the Garden to the City” The Place of Technology in the Story of God – John Dyer
Evangelical Ethics: Issues Facing the Church Today: Fourth Edition – John Jefferson Davis
God, Technology and the Christian Life – Tony Reinke
The Age of AI: Artificial Intelligence and the Future of Humanity – James Thacker
Christian Ethics: Contemporary Issues & Options – Norman L. Geisler
Future Shock – Alvin Toffler

May 20, 2024 • 31min
3.24 Mike Kirby and Matthew Emadi • Reading • "Artificial Intelligence (AI): Tool, Image Bearer, or Temptation?"
What is the historical background of AI, and how should we use this technology today?
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“Artificial Intelligence (AI): Tool, Image Bearer, or Temptation?” – Mike Kirby & Matthew Emadi
“Does Power Corrupt or Enable? When and Why Power Facilitates Self-Interested Behavior” – Katherine A. De Celles, D. Scott DeRue, Joshua D. Margolis and Tara L. Ceramic
“The History of Artificial Intelligence: Complete AI Timeline” – Ron Karjian
“Google’s Gemini Controversy Explained: AI Model Criticized by Musk and Others Over Alleged Bias” – Antonio Pequeño IV
“’Absurdly woke’: Google’s AI chatbot spits out ‘diverse’ images of Founding Fathers, popes, Vikings” – Thomas Barrabi
“Google pauses Gemini’s Ability to Generate AI images of People after Diversity Errors” – Tom Warren
Theme of the Month: What Has God Wrought?
Give to Support the Work
Books to Read
The Singularity is Near: When Humans Transcend Biology – Ray Kurzweil
From the Garden to the City” The Place of Technology in the Story of God – John Dyer
Evangelical Ethics: Issues Facing the Church Today: Fourth Edition – John Jefferson Davis
God, Technology and the Christian Life – Tony Reinke
The Age of AI: Artificial Intelligence and the Future of Humanity – James Thacker
Christian Ethics: Contemporary Issues & Options – Norman L. Geisler

May 13, 2024 • 54min
3.23 Dustin Ryan, David Schrock, Stephen Wellum • Interview • "A Christian's Perspective on Artificial Intelligence"
Listen in as Dustin Ryan joins David Schrock and Stephen Wellum to discuss his longform essay "A Christian's Perspective on Artificial Intelligence."
Timestamps
Intro – 00:40
Dustin Ryan’s Background - 02:45
How Has Christianity Influenced Ryan’s View of Artificial Intelligence? - 05:23
Dr. Wellum’s Thoughts on Artificial Intelligence? - 06:55
Dustin Ryan’s Favorite Sci-Fi Movie and One That Might be Like The World of Tomorrow? - 08:45
Definitions of Artificial Intelligence and Generative A.I. - 10:40
What is the Timeline & Trajectory of A.I.? - 15:15
What Are Some of the Motivations and Who Are the Architects for Bringing A.I. Forward? - 17:03
How Does A.I. ‘Learn’ and ‘Get Smarter’? - 21:03
How Does A.I. Give Prescription Not Just Description? – 23:39
How Could A.I. Help the Church? - 27:03
What are the Trade-offs to a Church Making Use of A.I.? - 30:21
Is Media Ecology Something that Ryan’s Company Has Discussed? - 34:36
A.I. and Human Self-Consciousness - 36:28
Concerns about A.I. - 39:13
Seeing Scripturally With Our Eyes - 42:50
Closing Thoughts and Thinking Critically - 49:00
Outro - 52:17
Resources to Click
“A Christian’s Perspective on Artificial Intelligence” – Dustin Ryan
“What is Artificial Intelligence?” – IBM
“What is Artificial Intelligence in Medicine?” – IBM
“AI Will Transform the Global Economy. Let’s Make Sure It Benefits Humanity” – Kristalina Georgieva
“Google ChatGPT Rival Bard Flubs Fact About NASA’s Webb Space Telescope” – Carrie Mihalcik
“Disgruntled ex-athletic director used AI to generate fake racist rant in principal's voice: police” – ABC7 Chicago Digital Team
“How a Deepfake Tom Cruise on TikTok Turned into a very real AI Company” – Rachel Metz
“Sharing Deepfake Pornography Could Soon be Illegal in America” – Emmanuelle Saliba
“Teen Girls Confront an Epidemic of Deepfake Nudes in Schools” – Natasha Singer
“ChatGPT Leans Liberal, Research Shows” – Gerrit De Vynck
Theme of the Month: What Has God Wrought? Artificial Intelligence and Our Brave New World
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Books to Read
No Place For Truth: Whatever Happened to Evangelical Theology – David F. Wells

May 6, 2024 • 35min
3.22 Dustin Ryan • Reading • "A Christian's Perspective on Artificial Intelligence"
Artificial Intelligence is changing the world we live in. In fact, you likely use AI every day already. What does this new technology mean for Christians?
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“A Christian’s Perspective on Artificial Intelligence” – Dustin Ryan
“What is Artificial Intelligence?” – IBM
“What is Artificial Intelligence in Medicine?” – IBM
“AI Will Transform the Global Economy. Let’s Make Sure It Benefits Humanity” – Kristalina Georgieva
“Google ChatGPT Rival Bard Flubs Fact About NASA’s Webb Space Telescope” – Carrie Mihalcik
“Disgruntled ex-athletic director used AI to generate fake racist rant in principal's voice: police” – ABC7 Chicago Digital Team
“How a Deepfake Tom Cruise on TikTok Turned into a very real AI Company” – Rachel Metz
“Sharing Deepfake Pornography Could Soon be Illegal in America” – Emmanuelle Saliba
“Teen Girls Confront an Epidemic of Deepfake Nudes in Schools” – Natasha Singer
“ChatGPT Leans Liberal, Research Shows” – Gerrit De Vynck
Theme of the Month: What Has God Wrought? Artificial Intelligence and Our Brave New World
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Apr 29, 2024 • 50min
3.21 David Schrock, Trent Hunter, Ardel Caneday • Interview • "Entering Pilate's Unholy of Holies: How Jesus's Cross in John's Gospel Fulfills the Day of Atonement"
Listen in as David Schrock discusses his essay "Entering Pilate's Unholy of Holies: How Jesus's Cross in John's Gospel Fulfills the Day of Atonement" with Trent Hunter and Ardel Caneday.
Timestamps
Intro – 00:44
David Schrock’s and Ardel Caneday’s Backgrounds on the Priesthood - 02:22
Why Should One Say Pilate’s Quarters is Inverted as a ‘Unholy of Holies’? - 05:15
An Argument from Silence - 09:47
Ardel’s Further Thoughts on the Matter - 12:05
An Argument from Irony - 14:15
John’s Movements in Chapters 18 and 19 - 19:53
The Subtleties of John’s Temple Imagery - 26:07
Jesus the True Priest vs. the False Priests - 31:57
Reading John 14 in its Whole-Literary Context -33:39
What are Some Pastoral Takeaways from the Work that Has Been Done? - 38:06
Ardel’s Encouragements - 40:30
“We Can Sense John’s Smile, Even If We Can’t See His Face” – 44:05
Closing Thoughts and Commentary Recommendations - 46:00
Outro - 48:49
Resources to Click
“Entering Pilate’s Unholy of Holies: How Jesus’s Cross in John’s Gospel Fulfills the Day of Atonement” – David Schrock
“How John’s Prologue Placards the Glory of God’s Son: 10 Things About John 1:1-18” – David Schrock
“Seeing New Creation Light in John 2-4: Three Ways Jesus Replaces the Darkness of the Old Covenant” – David Schrock
“Three Literary Mountains; Seeing the Chiastic Structures of John 7” – David Schrock
“Seeing John 9 with New Eyes: A Few Notes on Literary Structure” – David Schrock
“The Clothes Make the Man: Seeing the Priesthood of Christ in John’s Gospel” – David Schrock
Theme of the Month: One Passion, Four Gospels
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Books to Read
The Gospel According to John (The Pillar New Testament Commentary Series) – D. A. Carson
John: Jesus Christ is God (Focus on the Bible Series) – William F. Cook
The Anatomy of the Fourth Gospel: A Study in Literary Design – R. Alan Culpepper
John (Zondervan Exegetical Commentary Series) – Edward W. Klink
John: The NIV Application Commentary – Gary M. Burge
Heaven on Earth: The Temple in Biblical Theology – T. Desmond Alexander & Simon Gathercole
Jesus as the Fulfillment of the Temple in the Gospel of John – Paul M. Hoskins
That Scripture Might Be Fulfilled: Typology and the Death of Christ – Paul M. Hoskins
A Theology of John’s Gospel and Letters: The Word, the Christ, and the Son of God, (Biblical Theology the New Testament Series) – Andreas J. Köstenberger
Who Shall Ascend the Mountain of the Lord? A Biblical Theology of the Book of Leviticus (New Studies in Biblical Theology) – L. Michael Morales
The Priesthood of Christ and His Ministers – Andre Feuillet trans. Matthew J. O’Connell
The Temple and the Church’s Mission: A Biblical Theology of the Dwelling Place of God – G.K. Beale
Graded Holiness: A Key to the Priestly Conception of the World – Philip Peter Jenson
“Hebrews,” by George H. Guthrie in Commentary on the New Testament Use of the Old Testament – ed. G.K. Beale and D.A. Carson
Jesus the Priest – Nicholas Perrin