
FRIED. The Burnout Podcast
Real. Raw. No Holding Back. Stories from people like you who've burnt out and come back to tell the tale. From thought leaders to your friend down the street, there's a story in FRIED that you will relate to, guaranteed. You are not alone. You might be fried crispy at this point, but I promise you there is a way through. Each week, there is a story of breakdown and build back up and we don't skip over the nasty bits. The journey through burnout is rarely a beautiful one, but it creates some pretty amazing careers and lives. The point of this space is to assure you that you aren't alone and that there is a way through. If one week doesn't resonate, be sure that another week will. There's a solution for every story and we will cover them all. I promise. And - the help doesn't stop there. UNFRIED is a small group coaching program (under 10 people per cohort) that is available for you. Find the info here. (bit.ly/UNFRIED)
Latest episodes

Jun 29, 2025 • 53min
Adrien Cotton: Stages of Perimenopause + Burnout Overlap
Burnout Recovery works better with support. UNFRIED is our small group (5 people max!) coaching program to help guide you through your recovery. Apply now! [http://bit.ly/unfried]Perimenopause and burnout often hit at the same time, and when they do, it can feel like something is off but you’re not quite sure what. Cait Donovan talks with wellness expert Adrien Cotton about the confusion so many women face in midlife. Adrien shares how years of high-pressure work and unresolved health issues led her into what she calls a “perimenopause prison,” and how she eventually found her way out by learning to understand her body on a deeper level.How do you tell the difference between burnout and hormonal shifts? Why do symptoms like headaches, sleep issues, and mood swings so often get brushed aside? Adrien offers clarity without oversimplifying and reminds us why it matters to track our cycles, lift heavy things, and rethink the stories we’ve been told about our bodies.Adrien doesn’t promise a quick fix. She offers tools, context, and the encouragement to pay closer attention. She also shares how her program, Master Menopause Now, helps women approach this phase with more knowledge and less shame. If you’ve been feeling off and haven’t been able to explain why, this episode will help you start making sense of the changes and remind you that you’re not alone in them.Episode Breakdown:00:00 Welcome to FRIED. The Burnout Podcast02:21 Adrien Cotton’s Burnout and Perimenopause Story05:18 Debunking Common Myths About Perimenopause06:06 Why Tracking Your Cycle Matters08:00 Early Signs of Hormonal Shifts12:12 Weight Gain, Insulin Resistance, and Sleep Disruption18:08 Symptoms of Late Perimenopause23:18 Distinguishing Burnout from Perimenopause24:52 How Menopause Specialists Can Help32:22 The Power of Commitment in Health Changes37:02 Rethinking Diet Culture and Food Relationships42:13 Strength Training as a Tool for Resilience48:38 Life and Relief After MenopauseLinksConnect with Adrien:https://adriencotton.com/https://adriencotton.com/master-menopause-now/ Use the coupon code FRIED25 for a special discount only for FRIED listeners!https://www.instagram.com/adrienmcotton/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/adriencotton/ https://adriencotton.com/newsletter/Connect with Cait:Initial Call with Cait: bit.ly/callcaitInitial Call with Sarah: bit.ly/callsarahvBurnout Recovery works better with support. UNFRIED is our small group (5 people max!) coaching program to help guide you through your recovery. Apply now! [http://bit.ly/unfried]Podcast production and show notes provided by HiveCast.fm

Jun 22, 2025 • 16min
#sarahshares - Here’s Why Your Anxiety is at a 11/10 Lately
Summer can amplify anxiety, turning your emotions up to eleven. Sarah Vosen discusses how seasonal energy shifts—especially around the solstice—can trigger racing thoughts and fatigue. She shares relatable stories, including one from a program graduate who faced unexpected unease without clear reasons. To combat this, she offers hydration tips, grounding foods, and calming techniques like self-massage. The focus is on reconnecting with your body and finding balance amidst the chaos.

Jun 15, 2025 • 50min
Jen Fisher: Burned Out at the Top—and Changed Corporate America
Burnout Recovery works better with support. UNFRIED is our small group (5 people max!) coaching program to help guide you through your recovery. Apply now! [http://bit.ly/unfried]Burnout isn’t a personal failure. Sometimes it’s a sign that the system around you never made space for you to ask what’s actually sustainable.Kicking off Season 10 of FRIED. The Burnout Podcast, Cait Donovan is joined by Jen Fisher, the founder of The Wellbeing Team and the former Chief Well-being Officer at Deloitte, for a conversation that goes straight to the heart of what burnout really is, and why so many people are still afraid to talk about it honestly. Jen shares why, in her own experience, burnout was harder than cancer, and how the workplace responded to each in very different ways. Why do so many people feel like burnout is their fault? And what would shift if organizations started treating well-being as a core skill set, not a side conversation? Jen introduces the idea of well-being intelligence, a teachable approach to helping leaders spot the signs of burnout early and change the way teams operate. She and Cait talk about why clear language matters, what modeling healthy behavior actually looks like, and how leaders often fail to support their own well-being while trying to take care of everyone else.This episode leaves listeners with a strong reminder: hope is more than wishful thinking. It’s a strategy, and one that’s available to anyone willing to take the next right step.Episode Breakdown:00:00 Meet Jen Fisher02:00 Why Burnout Was Harder Than Cancer07:00 What Burnout Really Means (And What It Doesn’t)12:00 How Work Culture Fuels Burnout17:00 Rethinking Success, Sacrifice, and Leadership22:00 Building a Well-Being Strategy Inside Big Organizations28:00 What Is Well-Being Intelligence?35:00 How Leaders Can Learn to Prevent Burnout39:00 Hope Isn’t Wishful Thinking but a Tool for RecoveryLinksConnect with Jen Fisher:https://www.instagram.com/jenfish23/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/jen-fisher-7403868/ https://jenfisher.substack.com/Connect with Cait:Initial Call with Cait: bit.ly/callcaitInitial Call with Sarah: bit.ly/callsarahvBurnout Recovery works better with support. UNFRIED is our small group (5 people max!) coaching program to help guide you through your recovery. Apply now! [http://bit.ly/unfried]Podcast production and show notes provided by HiveCast.fm

May 25, 2025 • 35min
Celebrating 300 Episodes with a Fresh New Tool for Our Listeners!
Burnout Recovery works better with support. UNFRIED is our small group (5 people max!) coaching program to help guide you through your recovery. Apply now! [http://bit.ly/unfried]Burnout recovery takes more than bubble baths and boundary scripts. It asks you to let yourself receive.To celebrate 300 episodes of FRIED, Cait Donovan and Sarah Vosen are getting real about what it took to get here… emotionally, financially, and logistically. What do you do when your mission is to serve others, but you’re maxed out behind the scenes? How do you keep showing up with integrity when your inbox is full of amazing guest pitches you don’t have the capacity to accept?Cait opens up about the guilt that still shows up when she says no, and the tension between wanting to help everyone and needing to protect her own energy. She and Sarah talk about money, sustainability, and the shift from giving endlessly to allowing themselves to receive in equal measure.They also unveil a new tool made just for you: the FRIED Episode Finder, a searchable archive that helps you find exactly what you need without scrolling through 300 titles. Type in a keyword, a name, a question, and it serves up the episodes that match. (Burnout recovery with a little delegation joy? Yes, please!)This milestone episode is full of gratitude, behind-the-scenes truth, and hard-earned wisdom for anyone working to stay well while helping others do the same.Episode Breakdown:00:00 300 Episodes of FRIED!02:14 Behind the Scenes05:09 Boundaries, Guilt, and Saying No06:44 The Real Cost of Podcasting10:00 Learning to Receive13:05 Using ChatGPT to Set Boundaries15:09 Pricing Your Work Without Apology17:00 Burnout Recovery Is a Long Game19:13 Listener Impact and Gratitude23:58 Introducing the FRIED Episode Finder28:32 Delegation Joy Is Real30:26 Send Us Your QuestionsLinksLooking for the right episode? Use the free FRIED Episode Finder to search by keyword and find the support you need, fast: bit.ly/friedfinderConnect with Cait:Initial Call with Cait: bit.ly/callcaitInitial Call with Sarah: bit.ly/callsarahvBurnout Recovery works better with support. UNFRIED is our small group (5 people max!) coaching program to help guide you through your recovery. Apply now! [http://bit.ly/unfried]Podcast production and show notes provided by HiveCast.fm

May 18, 2025 • 14min
#straightfromcait: What Is Stress Resilience? And How Do You Get More Of It?
Explore the intriguing concept of stress resilience, which goes beyond mindset to include biology and personal history. Discover how your genetic wiring and early experiences shape how you manage stress. Learn about the vital distinction between merely reacting to stress and cultivating true resilience. Cait emphasizes the power of leveraging your natural strengths and consistently seeking support without guilt. It's about aligning your life with your values to better support your nervous system and thrive amid challenges.

May 11, 2025 • 49min
Sarah Swanberg: To Create a Sustainable Business (and Life) This is What You Need
Burnout Recovery works better with support. UNFRIED is our small group (5 people max!) coaching program to help guide you through your recovery. Apply now! [http://bit.ly/unfried]Burnout doesn’t always look like falling apart. Sometimes it looks like holding everything together, until your body makes it clear you can’t keep going this way.Cait Donovan is joined by her longtime friend Sarah Swanberg, a doctor of acupuncture and Chinese medicine and co-founder of Indigo Wellness Group. They talk about what burnout really feels like for women moving through major life phases such as fertility, postpartum, perimenopause, and why so many of us miss the signs until we’re deep in it.Sarah shares how she left a high-pressure career in visual effects and followed a quiet sense of curiosity into acupuncture, eventually building a multi-practitioner wellness practice that supports both patients and providers. What does it take to build something sustainable? How do you know when it’s time to change course, and how do you do it without losing yourself?This episode digs into the deeper patterns behind burnout, from the pressure to “do it all” to the fear of asking for help. Cait and Sarah offer a grounded, honest look at what it really means to care for yourself, your work, and your future.Episode Breakdown:00:00 Introduction 02:00 Sarah’s Career Shift from Visual Effects to Acupuncture08:00 Spotting Burnout and Rethinking Success10:00 Letting Go of the Sunk Cost Fallacy14:00 Burnout, Perimenopause, and the Role of Yin20:00 Restorative Practices and Sustainable Living24:00 Building a Collaborative Wellness Practice34:00 Overcoming Fear and Asking for Help40:00 Resourcing Yourself for a Resilient LifeLinksConnect with Sarah Swanberg:https://sarahswanberg.com https://instagram.com/sarah.theacudoc https://www.linkedin.com/in/sarahwswanberg/ https://sarahswanberg.com/free-downloadConnect with Cait:Initial Call with Cait: bit.ly/callcaitInitial Call with Sarah: bit.ly/callsarahvBurnout Recovery works better with support. UNFRIED is our small group (5 people max!) coaching program to help guide you through your recovery. Apply now! [http://bit.ly/unfried]Podcast production and show notes provided by HiveCast.fm

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May 4, 2025 • 14min
#sarahshares: Afraid you won’t ever feel joy or want to work again? Let Yourself.
Explore the fear of never wanting to work again and the tug of war between freedom and responsibility. Discover how breaking free from self-imposed rules can lead to genuine joy and healing. Embrace your inner rebel to prioritize what truly feels good in life. Learn the value of accepting support from others when recovering from burnout, and see how it can transform your journey. This conversation will inspire you to rethink your relationship with work and happiness.

Apr 27, 2025 • 11min
#straightfromcait: Can't Quit Your Job? Here's How You Recover from Burnout.
Burnout Recovery works better with support. UNFRIED is our small group (5 people max!) coaching program to help guide you through your recovery. Apply now! [http://bit.ly/unfried]Burnout recovery doesn’t always come with the luxury of stepping away from your job, and Cait Donovan knows that firsthand. In this episode, she speaks directly to those who feel stuck in burnout but still have to show up for work every day.Cait offers a starting point: pick one small shift and commit to it for a few weeks. Just one. She lays out two clear paths, depending on how you're feeling right now.If you’re angry, the Resentment Journal mini course is your first step. Resentment shows up when you're pouring energy into something that gives little or nothing back. Identifying those moments and adjusting them where you can help you reclaim the energy you need to move forward.If you’re not angry but just numb or depleted, Cait recommends rebuilding the basics of self-care. That means responding to your body’s most essential needs: rest, hydration, nourishment, movement. Even something as simple as peeing when you need to (yes, really) can rebuild your ability to listen to your body and regulate emotions.Once you’ve started to clear some space, Cait suggests exploring proprioceptive writing to access deeper emotional clarity. Because while burnout follows patterns, your story is your own and so is your recovery.Wherever you begin, the message is clear: start small, stay kind to yourself, and don’t wait for the perfect moment to begin healing.Episode Breakdown:00:00 Introduction01:09 How to Recover from Burnout Without Quitting Your Job01:33 Step 1: Start with the Resentment Journal03:55 Step 2: Foundational Self-Care That Actually Works07:05 Rebuilding Awareness Through Small Body Signals08:30 Step 3: Try Proprioceptive Writing10:06 Two Tools for Burnout Recovery That Work in Any CircumstanceLinkshttps://caitdonovan.com/resentment-journalhttps://www.caitdonovan.com/blog/why-you-need-proprioceptive-writing-even-if-you-ve-never-heard-of-ithttps://pod.link/1469939920/episode/ce0aa3d0c445b69d1c6ad6f3a31d2251Connect with Cait:Initial Call with Cait: bit.ly/callcaitInitial Call with Sarah: bit.ly/callsarahvBurnout Recovery works better with support. UNFRIED is our small group (5 people max!) coaching program to help guide you through your recovery. Apply now! [http://bit.ly/unfried]Podcast production and show notes provided by HiveCast.fm

Apr 20, 2025 • 18min
#sarahshares: Spring is Anger Season. Here's how to not let it worsen your burnout.
Burnout Recovery works better with support. UNFRIED is our small group (5 people max!) coaching program to help guide you through your recovery. Apply now! [http://bit.ly/unfried]Anger is a message from your body that, if ignored, can quietly fuel burnout.This week, Sarah Vosen digs into something most of us don’t talk about enough: why spring often brings a spike in anger, and how that ties directly to burnout. Could your short fuse or simmering resentment have more to do with your body than your circumstances? According to Chinese medicine, the liver and gallbladder take center stage this time of year. When they’re overwhelmed, emotional tension builds.Sarah breaks down what that means in real life, and more importantly, what to do about it. She offers five ways to process anger before it turns into something heavier. Some are physical. Some are emotional. All are meant to help you feel more grounded and less reactive.If you’ve been feeling off lately but can’t quite explain why, this episode might give you a new lens. What if your anger is trying to move through you? And what would happen if you let it?Episode Breakdown00:00 Introduction00:55 Why Spring Triggers Anger01:27 How Chinese Medicine Explains Emotional Shifts03:24 Five Ways to Process Anger04:06 Move Your Body06:16 Express and Release Emotion08:03 Ground Yourself10:01 Connect with Nature15:00 Support Your Liver with Lemon Water and SleepLinksConnect with Cait:Initial Call with Cait: bit.ly/callcaitInitial Call with Sarah: bit.ly/callsarahvBurnout Recovery works better with support. UNFRIED is our small group (5 people max!) coaching program to help guide you through your recovery. Apply now! [http://bit.ly/unfried]Podcast production and show notes provided by HiveCast.fm

Apr 13, 2025 • 14min
#straightfromcait: Struggling After Returning to Work? How to Tell If It’s Burnout or a Bad Job
Returning to work after burnout can feel overwhelming, but understanding the environment is crucial. Cait Donovan explores whether a workplace is toxic or simply a bad fit. She shares a valuable three-step process for self-assessment, emphasizing the importance of self-respect and intention. Discover how old habits can resurface and learn to navigate workplace challenges with self-compassion. This discussion focuses on prioritizing mental health and finding balance in career paths after recovery.