Tom Holland, historian and bestselling author of Rubicon and In the Shadow of the Sword, joins us to discuss his latest book, Dominion: The Making of the Western Mind. A certified atheist, Tom puts his own liberal, secular worldview to scrutiny and asks, why do we Westerners believe what we believe? (Turns out we’ve been “breathing in liberal values like radiation from Chernobyl.”) This question embraces everything from human rights to sexuality, from separation of church and state to Black Lives Matters.This also completes our “Christianity and the West” trilogy. Warning: Adaam fan-boys hard (and perhaps by the end of the conversation, you, too, will be a convert).Oh, and if you haven’t already, subscribe: On the agenda:* Tom joins [3:44]* Rome is the T-Rex of Antiquity [5:24]* Bush’s America: The New Rome? [6:49]* The trouble with understanding the Classical world [10:09]* The stories that shape our worlds [16:35]* On BLM [19:57]* Sex & Power in Rome —> Me Too [22:58]* The Enlightenment Cycle [29:09]* The Great Awokening [32:19]* “The single most pointed and justified criticism that I’ve had.” / Breathing in liberal values like radiation in Chernobyl [36:02]* Atheism is the logical end point (Here we Paul again) [41:14]* “We are creatures of our historical DNA” [44:22]* To have no privilege = privilege (hat tip to one neurotic Nietzsches) [51:54] * What would Hitler NOT do? [54:49]* Why Human Rights don’t exist [56:31]* Secularism in retreat [1:01:11]* Undoing our Protestant brainwashing (“I’m a Liberal Who Lost his Faith”) [1:08:28]* 3 Scenarios for the Future [1:16:43]* A world of multiple civilizations [1:20:00]* The myths that will haunt us [1:22:56] Get full access to Uncertain Things at uncertain.substack.com/subscribe

To celebrate the release of the first episode of Uncertain Things, Vanessa and Adaam got together (virtually) with house expert on all things Christian Misha Thomas to drill further into some of the topics brought up by Tomer Perisco. Consider this part 2 of our “Christianity and the West” trilogy. Stay tuned — the epic finale is coming soon. And if you haven’t already, subscribe:On the agenda:* Introducing Misha, our expert on all things evangelical [1:10]* On religion as a literary expression [8:00]* On ritual [12:41]* Attending the college of contradictory ideals [15:35]* How Paul gave us the concept of religion (with a hat tip to Plato, too) [24:30]* Metaphorical tea time with Richard Dawkins [37:30]* Revelation nation [41:00]* God is dead, we’re all Gods [44:00]* Surviving a chaotic universe, 1st century B.C. style [55:35] * On identity, trauma, and resilience [1:00:49]* Primed for compassion, a Misha fable for the future [1:09:15] Get full access to Uncertain Things at uncertain.substack.com/subscribe

Tomer Persico, religious scholar and Israeli intellectual, talks to us (in our inaugural podcast — woohoo!) about what he considers to be one of the most impactful ideas in the modern world: The Image of God.On the agenda:* How Tomer found religion [5:16]* What is “The Image of God”? [14:38]* How St. Paul broke Judaism. [29:27]* Let there be atheism. [48:30]* The cult of authenticity and Donald Trump. [56:20]* Identity politics is just another strand of Christianity. [1:14:46]* What’s going on in Israel? [1:31:10]Uncertain Things is hosted and produced by Vanessa M. Quirk and Adaam James Levin-Areddy. For more doomsday thoughts, subscribe to uncertain.substack.com Get full access to Uncertain Things at uncertain.substack.com/subscribe