

AI & I
Dan Shipper
Learn how the smartest people in the world are using AI to think, create, and relate. Each week I interview founders, filmmakers, writers, investors, and others about how they use AI tools like ChatGPT, Claude, and Midjourney in their work and in their lives. We screen-share through their historical chats and then experiment with AI live on the show. Join us to discover how AI is changing how we think about our worldβand ourselves.
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Mar 19, 2025 β’ 47min
I Interviewed New Jersey Governor Phil Murphy about AI - Ep. 52 with Governor Phil Murphy
I interviewed the Governor of New Jersey Phil Murphy on AI & I. We spent an hour talking about his vision for AI in government, economic development, and the regulatory challenges ahead. His approach is refreshingly pragmatic: Spark real innovation at scale. Governor Murphy is laying the groundwork through an AI hub that pools the strengths of the government, academia (Princeton University), legacy tech (Microsoft), and next-gen players (CoreWeave). Creating a place for the brightest minds to live and work. Heβs making the Garden State irresistible for the best talent through walkable communities, legal recreational cannabis, and an angel investment tax credit.AI that augments teams, instead of replacing them. The Governor sees AI as an βaccelerantβ that enables teams to do more with the same number of employees. Heβs walking the talk by training 61,000 NJ state employees in AI to automate busy work and free them to focus on strategic tasks.An integrated regulatory framework for AI. He believes that a technology as pervasive as AI should be regulated at a national level because the state-by-state approach could stifle innovation. Governor Phil Murphy is the first governor Iβve ever had on the show and I was honored he took the time to come on. I was also especially excited to do this because I grew up in New Jersey! This is a must watch for anyone interested in the intersection of AI and policy.If you found this episode interesting, please like, subscribe, comment, and share! Want even more?Sign up for Every to unlock our ultimate guide to prompting ChatGPT here: https://every.ck.page/ultimate-guide-to-prompting-chatgpt. Itβs usually only for paying subscribers, but you can get it here for free.To hear more from Dan Shipper:Subscribe to Every: https://every.to/subscribe Follow him on X: https://twitter.com/danshipper Timestamps:Introduction: 00:02:00Why there should be a nation-wide framework to regulate AI: 00:04:31How 61,000 state employees in New Jersey are adopting AI: 00:10:34Why new tech is key to transforming government services: 00:12:20The Governor is bringing startups back to New Jersey: 00:17:30How to stimulate innovation at scale: 00:25:28The Governor is making New Jersey a top choice for the best talent: 00:33:07Balancing technological progress while ensuring the workforce isnβt left behind: 00:36:56Weβre moving toward an βallocation economyβ: 00:41:39The Governorβs take on international regulation of AI: 00:43:43Links to resources mentioned in the episode:Governor Phil Murphy: @GovMurphyMore about the New Jersey AI Hub: https://njaihub.org/

Mar 12, 2025 β’ 56min
Prompt Your Way To Personal Growth - Ep. 51 with Steve Schlafman
In this engaging conversation, Steve Schlafman, a former VC and founder of @downshift, shares his innovative approach to personal growth using AI. He reveals how he leverages ChatGPT for dream analysis, pulling out archetypes and emotions for deeper self-understanding. Steve emphasizes the importance of integrating feelings and imagination with rational thought. He also discusses the transformative power of voice interfaces and personal narratives in enhancing self-awareness and navigating emotional patterns. Perfect for those curious about AI's role in emotional exploration!

Mar 5, 2025 β’ 1h 3min
How AI Startups Can Win With Better Strategy - Ep. 50 with Mike Maples
Mike Maples, a veteran venture investor and co-founder of Floodgate, shares insights on AI startups and strategic advantages over giants like OpenAI. He reveals the importance of counter-positioning and adapting to technological inflections that reshape business models. Discussing outcome-based pricing and cultural shifts, Mike emphasizes how smaller teams can innovate faster. He also explores the balance between integrated and modular solutions, and how AI transforms product development and fundraising, giving startups an edge in a competitive landscape.

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Feb 26, 2025 β’ 1h 6min
He Built an AI Audience Simulator. Itβs the Future of Customer Research. - Ep. 49 with Michael Taylor
Michael Taylor, creator of Rally and co-author of a prompt engineering book, shares how he uses AI to replicate customer responses, revolutionizing market research. He discusses simulating audience behavior to A/B test headlines, ensuring valuable insights before launch. The conversation highlights AI's potential in understanding consumer profiles while stressing the importance of precise prompts. Michael's tinkerer mindset illuminates the challenges and future of AI, including balancing automation with human creativity, as he demonstrates the power of his innovative tool live.

Feb 12, 2025 β’ 59min
How Nat Eliason Made $200,000 in a Week Teaching AI - Ep. 48
Nat Eliasonβs career arc is borderline absurdβbut it works. In the last five years, he ran an SEO agency, got into crypto, made $600,000 from a course on the note-taking tool Roam Research, flipped real estate in Austin for a 6x return, and published a book with Random House. Heβs now writing a book of science fiction and running a viral course about building apps with AI.Iβve known Nat for a long time, and I think he knows where the puck is headed better than anyone. Heβll see a new tool or trend, master it, build a business around it, and move on. Natβs pulled it off with crypto, Roam, real estateβand now AI. His app-building course has over 800 students and racked up $200,000 in pre-sales in one week.Nat was one of the first guests I had on the podcast and I was delighted to have him on again. We spent an hour talking about how coding with AI is creating new behaviors in programming, Natβs best practices for using the coding tool Cursor, and his take on the future of writing with AI. This episode is a must-watch for writers, creators, and anyone interested in the future of product building.If you found this episode interesting, please like, subscribe, comment, and share! Want even more?Sign up for Every to unlock our ultimate guide to prompting ChatGPT here: https://every.ck.page/ultimate-guide-to-prompting-chatgpt. Itβs usually only for paying subscribers, but you can get it here for free.To hear more from Dan Shipper:Subscribe to Every: https://every.to/subscribe Follow him on X: https://twitter.com/danshipperTimestamps:Introduction: 00:01:45The origins of Natβs viral course on building apps with AI: 00:10:15How coding with AI has evolved over the last two years: 00:17:16Nat creates an app using Composer, Cursorβs AI assistant: 00:20:52Tactical tips for coding with Cursor: 00:24:36How coding with AI is creating new behaviors in programming: 00:27:36What excites Nat the most about the future of AI: 00:31:11A demo of Hubbard, the AI editor Nat built for his science fiction writing: 00:37:28When does it make sense to build custom software: 00:43:22Natβs take on the future of writing with AI: 00:47:48Links to resources mentioned in the episode: Nat Eliason: @nateliasonNatβs viral course about building apps with AI: Build Your Own Apps with AIThe book Nat published about crypto: Crypto Confidential: Winning and Losing Millions in the New Frontier of Finance Danβs piece about how AI empowers creators: AI and the Age of the Individual

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Feb 5, 2025 β’ 56min
Vercelβs Guillermo Rauch on What Comes After Coding - Ep. 47
Guillermo Rauch is one of the most prolific coders of this generation. But he doesnβt think of himself as a coder anymore. Coding, he says, is a specific skill that AI is becoming great at. Instead, he thinks the future of coding is more holistic, full-stack engineers who can ideate, design, and execute all together. Guillermo is the founder and CEO of Vercel, the creator of NextJS, and SocketIO. We spent an hour talking about the future of software development in an AI worldβand the meta-skills that are essential for the coders of today to masterβin order to use tomorrowβs tools to their fullest extent.Here are a few takeaways:One of the most important keys to his success is tasteβand developing taste is all about paying better attention to everything you experience day to day.Heβs great at recognizing bleeding-edge technologies with extremely practical applications but that have bad user experiences. If you can learn to recognize those and build with them, you might build the next NextJs or SocketIO.Heβs already seeing enterprises use Vercelβs AI coding copilot v0 to replace all of their programmingβthey just send v0 demos back and forth to iterate on new prototypes. Why prototype cultures are becoming common in AIβand the benefits of written cultures like Amazon vs. prototype cultures like Apple for different kinds of companies.For developers building frameworks, always put the product first; a framework in isolation without a βcustomer zeroβ is never going to be a good tool.The theory of βrecursive founder modeββif you want to build a scalable business, you have to scale yourself by creating an atmosphere that nurtures talent and ambition.AI tools are shifting software toward consumption-based billing models, making us capital allocators who decide how much compute the AI consumes.The future of AI is agents with the taste, knowledge, and tools to perform specialized tasks.If you found this episode interesting, please like, subscribe, comment, and share! Want even more?Sign up for Every to unlock our ultimate guide to prompting ChatGPT. Itβs usually only for paying subscribers, but you can get it here for free.To hear more from Dan Shipper:Subscribe to Every: https://every.to/subscribe Follow him on X: https://twitter.com/danshipper Links to resources mentioned in the episode:Guillermo Rauch: @rauchgVercel: https://vercel.com/ Last weekβs episode with Nabeel Hyatt: π§ The Venture Capitalist Who Finds the Best AI ProductsβBefore They Win Danβs essay about the allocation economy: The Knowledge Economy Is Over. Welcome to the Allocation Economy

Jan 29, 2025 β’ 1h 9min
How to Prepare for AGI According to Reid Hoffman - Ep. 46
AGI is coming. Reid Hoffman just wrote the book on how to prepare.According to Reid, every major tech breakthrough (the written word, the printing press, the telephone) triggered mass fear. But, contrary to our worries, new technology tends to enhance human agencyβeven more so, if you know how to use it well.In Superagency, his book that was released yesterday, Reid examines how weβve historically adopted new technologies and focuses on AIβs potential to increase our agencyβthe ability to make decisions that affect outcomes. He wrote the book for two audiences: anyone who is curious, or even skeptical, about AI; and technologists who are building in AI, with the hope that they will think about human agency as a design principle for their products. As someone who straddles both worlds, I read the book and really liked it.Beyond being a prolific author, Reid is the cofounder of LinkedIn, Inflection AI, and Manas AI; a partner at venture capital firm Greylock Partners; an early backer and board member of OpenAI; and an award-winning podcasterβand I was pleased to invite him onto AI & I again, this time in person. We recorded an hour-long conversation, going deep on:The notion of human agency, how our sense of agency shapes our response to new technologies, and its interplay with uncertaintyWhy Reid believes that private commons and equitable access to AI will be beneficial for society at largeHow the history of AI mirrors a philosophical shift in how we understand intelligence, from trying to program explicit rules about how thinking works, to building systems that learn patterns from dataReidβs take on how the next decade of AI will involve a play between rule-based systems and pattern-matching ones Itβs a must-watch for anyone who wants to help build a more human future with AI. If you found this episode interesting, please like, subscribe, comment, and share! Want even more?Sign up for Every to unlock our ultimate guide to prompting ChatGPT. Itβs usually only for paying subscribers, but you can get it here for free.To hear more from Dan Shipper:Subscribe to Every: https://every.to/subscribe Follow him on X: https://twitter.com/danshipperLinks to resources mentioned in the episode:Reid Hoffman: @reidhoffmanSuperagency, Reidβs newest book: https://www.superagency.ai/

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Jan 22, 2025 β’ 1h 2min
The Venture Capitalist Who Finds the Best AI ProductsβBefore They Win - Ep. 45 with Nabeel Hyatt
Nabeel Hyatt is a general partner at Spark Capital, known for his smart investments in disruptive tech like Discord and Cruise. He discusses his unique investment strategy, focusing on a few select startups each year to foster deep relationships with founders. Nabeel likens successful products to Japanese toiletsβdelightful innovations that users didnβt know they wanted. He also shares insights on the evolution of AI tools like Granola and the importance of visionary thinking in tech, emphasizing creativity and user experience.

Jan 15, 2025 β’ 1h 15min
An Inside Look at Building an Email Client in 3 Months - Ep. 44 with Kieran Klaassen, Brandon Gell
Building an email client used to take many years and millions of dollars.But Everyβs Kieran Klaassen built Coraβa totally new way to manage your inbox with AIβin just 3 months. He even shipped the original MVP of the product in a single dayβsomething that just wasnβt possible before the current state of generative AI. Now, there are almost 10,000 people on the waitlist for Cora, and weβre onboarding new users every single day. Everyβs head of Studio Brandon Gell and I worked closely with Kieran as he built Cora, and to kick off my podcast, AI and I, in 2025, I invited both of them on the show to talk about it. We go behind the scenes, getting into how Kieran built the product with Cursor, o1, and o1 Pro, what weβre learning as we onboard new users every day, and the future of Cora and of Every as a multi-modal media company.This is a must watch for anyone curious about our approach to building with AI at Every.If you found this episode interesting, please like, subscribe, comment, and share! Want even more?Sign up for Every to unlock our ultimate guide to prompting ChatGPT. Itβs usually only for paying subscribers, but you can get it here for free.To hear more from Dan Shipper:Subscribe to Every: https://every.to/subscribe Follow him on X: https://twitter.com/danshipper Links to resources mentioned in the episode:Sign up for the Cora waitlist: https://cora.computer/ Learn more about Cora: Introducing Cora: Manage Your Inbox With AIKieran Klaassen: @kieranklaassenBrandon Gell: @bran_don_gell

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Dec 18, 2024 β’ 1h
How AI Will Change Science Forever - Ep. 43 with Alice Albrecht
Alice Albrecht, a cognitive neuroscience Ph.D. from Yale and Senior Director of AI Product at SmartNews, dives into how AI is revolutionizing science. She discusses the importance of large-scale data gathering and the shift towards personalized, contextual predictions in research. The conversation explores the ethical challenges of AI in mental health, particularly in treating OCD, and highlights the transformative power of data in understanding psychological dynamics. Albrecht also anticipates a new era for scientific publishing through greater transparency and open data sharing.


