
The DNA of Cities
We know that there are over 10,000 cities in the world. We also know that there is something unique about every city. But what is it that makes each city feel, move, look and act so differently?
In this podcast, Professor Greg Clark CBE and Caitlin Morrissey bring together over 70 inspirational leaders from the worlds of urban history, politics, art, architecture and more to decode The DNA of Cities.
Latest episodes

Mar 13, 2025 • 41min
The DNA of Sydney - Part I
The beauty and appeal of Sydney’s dramatic, dreamy, and diverse scenery have always been, and are still, an inspiration for people. Today, the Sydney metropolitan region is home to over five million people in a region whose spatial boundaries are defined by the Pacific Ocean on the eastern coast, the Blue Mountains to the west, the Hawkesbury River to the north and the swampy Woronora Plateau to the south. It's a place of abundance, where an environment of immense lushness and attractiveness combine with a temperate climate that has been very conducive to human flourishing. It’s an obvious point to make, but the mountains, the sea, the rivers, the climate and wider geography of this location are really quite important in shaping the way people have lived and congregated here. As we learn in this episode, that is true of the diverse Aboriginal communities that have always called this place home, to the relatively more recent urban story of Sydney. We are hugely grateful to the wonderful experts who joined us in this episode to decode what makes Sydney, Sydney. Thank you to Monica Barone, Dr Danièle Hromek, Dr Sarah Hill, Alex O’Mara, Michael Rose AM, Rob Stokes and Eamon Waterford. You can read our full interviews with each of our local experts on our website. – Bass Vibes - Rollin at 5 by Kevin MacLeod is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 License. https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ Source: http://incompetech.com/music/royalty-free/index.html?isrc=USUAN1100462 – Sound design by Dainius Kacinskas.

Mar 6, 2025 • 52min
Keynote - Dr Gabrielle Bendiner-Viani
We are honoured to have Dr Gabrielle Bendiner-Viani as our second Keynote. Gabrielle is the founder of interdisciplinary design studio Buscada and she is the author of The Cities We Need (MIT Press, 2024). Drawing from over two decades of research and practice in New York, Oakland, London and Buenos Aires, Gabrielle reveals that the: Everyday places in our neighbourhoods and cities are essential for discovering our sense of self People that manage and operate everyday places play a significant but often overlooked role in fostering community and belonging Building of social capital in multi-cultural, multi-faith, multi-lingual, hyper-diverse cities depends on the ability of different people to have frequent opportunities for low-stakes interactions – What are the Keynotes? These are the episodes where we zoom out from our city-to-city voyage to meet global expert voices from a range of different disciplinary vantage points (e.g. from history, to theology, to genetics, to archaeology, to design) to understand the place of cities in their work. We want to know how they would approach and investigate the relationship between cities and human experience and evolution. – Bass Vibes - Rollin at 5 by Kevin MacLeod is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 License. https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ Source: http://incompetech.com/music/royalty-free/index.html?isrc=USUAN1100462 – Sound design by Dainius Kacinskas.

Feb 27, 2025 • 47min
The DNA of São Paulo - Part II
In our second episode on São Paulo, we explore the rich and irreducibly plural social and cultural fabrics and the unique scales of its global diaspora communities. Through the lenses of various infrastructural fragments (e.g. water and public transportation) and spatial patterning (e.g. the location of homes vs jobs and critical services), we discuss the politics and pervasiveness of inequalities in São Paulo. We also learn about the city’s distinctive roles in Brazil, South America and the world, and we ask how well São Paulo is understood and misunderstood. We are very grateful to our esteemed local experts Mariana Barros, Claudio Bernardes, Professor Miguel Bucalem, Professor Felipe Correa, Elisabete França and Professor Regina Meyer for revealing São Paulo's acquired traits. To continue exploring São Paulo, check out these resources: Felipe Correa – São Paulo: A Graphic Biography Regina Meyer – São Paulo Metrópole Edison Veiga – 'O que foi o Cerco de Piratininga, o 9 de julho há 462 anos que permitiu São Paulo existir' [BBC News Brazil] – To learn more about The DNA of Cities and sign up for our latest updates visit www.thednaofcities.com. – Bass Vibes - Rollin at 5 by Kevin MacLeod is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 License. https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ Source: http://incompetech.com/music/royalty-free/index.html?isrc=USUAN1100462 – Sound design by Dainius Kacinskas.

Feb 20, 2025 • 52min
The DNA of São Paulo - Part I
In the second decade of the 21st Century, we find on a plateau in Brazil's Serra do Mar mountains São Paulo; a city of 12 million people and the nucleus of a metropolitan region of over 20 million people in a macro-metropolitan region of over 30 million people. We begin our time here exploring the conditions that led to permanent settlement in this location and the multiple drivers for the super-charged transformation that followed as São Paulo became an enormously energetic, globally fluent and magnetic metropolis. We are very grateful to our esteemed local experts Mariana Barros, Claudio Bernardes, Professor Miguel Bucalem, Professor Felipe Correa and Professor Regina Meyer for helping us to decode what makes São Paulo, São Paulo. To continue exploring São Paulo, check out these resources: Felipe Correa – São Paulo: A Graphic Biography Regina Meyer – São Paulo Metrópole Edison Veiga – 'O que foi o Cerco de Piratininga, o 9 de julho há 462 anos que permitiu São Paulo existir' [BBC News Brazil] – To learn more about The DNA of Cities and sign up for our latest updates visit www.thednaofcities.com. – Bass Vibes - Rollin at 5 by Kevin MacLeod is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 License. https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ Source: http://incompetech.com/music/royalty-free/index.html?isrc=USUAN1100462 – Sound design by Dainius Kacinskas.

Feb 17, 2025 • 21min
Keynote - Ben Wilson - Part II
We are back with Part II of our conversation with Ben Wilson, our first Keynote guest. Ben is the author of several acclaimed books, including Metropolis which was released in 2020 and Urban Jungle which was published in 2023. In Part II of his Keynote, Ben sets out a compelling case for nurturing nature in cities. We discuss the: Forgotten histories of growing and foraging in cities Opportunities for cities of the future to be defined by how biodiverse and wild they are Requirement for agile, flexible and adaptive urban leadership that combines community energy with a guiding vision – What are the Keynotes? These are the episodes where we zoom out from our city-to-city voyage to meet global expert voices from a range of different disciplinary vantage points (e.g. from history, to theology, to genetics, to archaeology, to design) to understand the place of cities in their work. We want to know how they would approach and investigate the relationship between cities and human experience and evolution. – Bass Vibes - Rollin at 5 by Kevin MacLeod is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 License. https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ Source: http://incompetech.com/music/royalty-free/index.html?isrc=USUAN1100462 – Sound design by Dainius Kacinskas.

Feb 13, 2025 • 47min
Keynote - Ben Wilson - Part I
We are honoured to have historian Ben Wilson as our first Keynote guest. Ben is the author of several acclaimed books, including Metropolis which was released in 2020 and Urban Jungle which was published in 2023. In Part I of this global adventure spanning 5,000 years of urbanisation, Ben reveals: How cities rewire humans biologically, culturally and socially both individually and collectively Why the permanence of human settlement in cities catalyses innovation The innate duality of cities as places of opportunity and hardship, brute and beauty, enchantment and horror – What are the Keynotes? These are the episodes where we zoom out from our city-to-city voyage to meet global expert voices from a range of different disciplinary vantage points (e.g. from history, to theology, to genetics, to archaeology, to design) to understand the place of cities in their work. We want to know how they would approach and investigate the relationship between cities and human experience and evolution. – Bass Vibes - Rollin at 5 by Kevin MacLeod is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 License. https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ Source: http://incompetech.com/music/royalty-free/index.html?isrc=USUAN1100462 – Sound design by Dainius Kacinskas.

Feb 6, 2025 • 53min
The DNA of Kyiv - Part II
In Part II of The DNA of Kyiv, we learn about the people who live in Kyiv and the strong feelings the city stirs within those who choose to make it their home. We discover what it means to be and become a Kyivan, and we explore the manifestations of the common struggle for cultural freedom and self-government in the city's protests and revolutions. Against the backdrop of war in Ukraine and amid possible air-raid sirens, power-blackouts and the threat of Russian missile strikes, our local experts spoke about how Kyiv has been responding to the full-scale invasion and enduring under more than 1,000 days of war. They told us how the trauma of war has scarred the city, and their dreams for the future of the city. With special thanks to Denys Nazarenko, Dr Victoria Itskovych, Professor Serhy Yekelchyk, Yulia Bevzenko and Stanislav Kukhtyk for joining us in this episode, and to Denys for the invitation to explore Kyiv in this season of the podcast. To learn more about The DNA of Cities and to read each of our interviews in full, head to www.thednaofcities.com. To find out more about the history of Kyiv, check out these resources: Yulia Bevzenko - Shukai Serhii Plokhy - The Gates of Europe Serhy Yekelchyk - Ukraine: What Everyone Needs to Know Serhy Yekelchyk - Understanding Ukraine for Legion Magazine – Bass Vibes - Rollin at 5 by Kevin MacLeod is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 License. https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ Source: http://incompetech.com/music/royalty-free/index.html?isrc=USUAN1100462 – Sound design by Dainius Kacinskas.

Jan 30, 2025 • 58min
The DNA of Kyiv - Part I
We were privileged to be invited by Denys Nazarenko of Kyiv City Council to include his beloved city in The DNA of Cities following the devastating full scale Russian invasion of Ukraine. We might think of Kyiv as an ancient city in a turbulent present in which its citizens have been actively fighting for more than 1,000 days to defend Ukrainian independence, freedom and sovereignty from Russia. In this episode, we explore the birth of Kyiv as a city and its historical role as the main centre in the Kyivan Rus, an extremely large federation that gave rise to what we now recognise as the Eastern Slavic States of Ukraine, Russia and Belarus. We are incredibly grateful to Denys Nazarenko, Dr Victoria Itskovych, Professor Serhy Yekelchyk and Yulia Bevzenko for joining us in this episode. We learnt so much from each of them. To learn more about The DNA of Cities and to read each of our interviews in full, head to www.thednaofcities.com. To find out more about the history of Kyiv, check out these resources: Yulia Bevzenko - Shukai Serhii Plokhy - The Gates of Europe Serhy Yekelchyk - Ukraine: What Everyone Needs to Know Serhy Yekelchyk - Understanding Ukraine for Legion Magazine – Bass Vibes - Rollin at 5 by Kevin MacLeod is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 License. https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ Source: http://incompetech.com/music/royalty-free/index.html?isrc=USUAN1100462 – Sound design by Dainius Kacinskas.

Jan 27, 2025 • 2min
Trailer - Welcome to Season 2 of The DNA of Cities
Welcome to Season 2 of The DNA of Cities. Subscribe and join us fortnightly from Thursday 30th January 2025 as we continue to decode what makes our cities so unique. – Bass Vibes - Rollin at 5 by Kevin MacLeod is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 License. https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ Source: http://incompetech.com/music/royalty-free/index.html?isrc=USUAN1100462 Artist: http://incompetech.com/ – Sound design by Dainius Kacinskas.

Sep 19, 2024 • 38min
What does The DNA of Cities not explain?
In our final episode of Season 1, we ask our urban experts ‘what does The DNA of Cities not yet explain about how cities evolve?’ We debate the limits of The DNA of Cities and what it is that cannot be explained using this way of exploring, conceptualising and understanding urban identity. Thank you to Professor Michele Acuto, A/Professor Ellie Cosgrave, Gabriella Gómez-Mont, Professor Edgar Pieterse, Dr Jaana Remes, Dr Karissa Sanbonmatsu and Geerte Udo for joining us in this episode. We also hear from Abha Joshi-Ghani, who we dedicate this season to with great respect and affection. Whether this is the first episode you have listened to this season, or you have been with us from the beginning, thank you for tuning in. We will be back soon! To learn more about The DNA of Cities and sign up for our latest updates visit www.thednaofcities.com