THE RUNNING EFFECT PODCAST

Dominic Schlueter
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Dec 21, 2025 • 46min

The Cost of Greatness: Why More Miles, More Discipline, and More Wins Aren’t Always Better

-The Run Down By The Running Effect (our new newsletter!): https://tinyurl.com/mr36s9rsWhat if the habits you’re most proud of, like discipline, the mileage, and the wins, are quietly working against you?Alex Ostberg returns to the show to sit down with Dominic and unpack the ideas behind his four most recent Substack essays, each challenging a deeply held assumption in running and high performance.They tackle the popular mantra “the way you do one thing is the way you do all things.” Alex argues that greatness isn’t about equal intensity everywhere, but intentional trade-offs, seasonal focus, and knowing what deserves obsession.From there, they discuss training load and why not all miles are created equal. Alex explains why injury risk is less about total mileage and more about how that load is built.The guys then take aim at a sacred post-workout ritual in Cooldowns Are Overrated. He reframes recovery around what actually matters most: refueling, rehydration, nervous system reset, and social decompression, rather than mindless extra miles on tired legs.Then they talk about the psychology of success in When Winning Stops Feeling Good, exploring why anticipation often feels better than achievement, and how rising expectations can quietly drain joy from performance. If you want to train smarter, think deeper, and understand the real costs (and rewards) of chasing excellence, this episode will change how you run, recover, and define success.Tap into the Alex Ostberg Rundown Special.If you enjoy the podcast, please consider following us on Spotify and Apple Podcasts and giving us a five-star review! I would also appreciate it if you share it with your friend who you think will benefit from it. Comment the word “PODCAST” below and I’ll DM you a link to listen. If this episode blesses you, please share it with a friend!S H O W  N O T E S-The Run Down By The Running Effect (our new newsletter!): https://tinyurl.com/mr36s9rs-Our Website: https://therunningeffect.run -THE PODCAST ON YOUTUBE: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UClLcLIDAqmJBTHeyWJx_wFQ-My Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/therunningeffect/?hl=en⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠-Take our podcast survey: https://tinyurl.com/3ua62ffz
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Dec 19, 2025 • 50min

From Humble Beginnings Running Barefoot in Kenya to Winning the New York and Boston Marathons: The Rise of Sharon Lokedi

TWO WEEKS OF FREE WITH CODE "RUNEFFECT" : https://kaizen.app.link/TRESharon Lokedi set a Boston Marathon course record, ran a 65-minute half marathon, and stepped foot on another NYC Marathon podium.  She didn’t just have a good year in 2025, she had the kind of season that rewrites expectations for the future of women’s distance running, and her 2:17:22 course record at Boston can attest to this.Sharon’s most recent success came at the New York City Marathon, where she came in second place with a time of 2:20:07; this was her third career podium finish at NYC, as she won the whole thing in 2022 during an impressive marathon breakout performance. The year 2025 also saw her win the NYC Half Marathon in an event record time, and then set a PR in the 13.1 distance with a 1:05:00 at the Copenhagen Half. She came in an impressive 4th place in the marathon during the 2024 Olympic Games in France, running a 2:23:14. Prior to that she was a stalwart in the collegiate ranks while running at Kansas, winning the 10,000m at the 2018 NCAA Outdoor Championships. After a Boston course record and a world-class season, she’s stepping into the next chapter with more clarity, more confidence, and more momentum than ever before. Sharon Lokedi’s story is unfolding in real time, and we are here to witness it. Tap into the Sharon Lokedi Special.If you enjoy the podcast, please consider following us on Spotify and Apple Podcasts and giving us a five-star review! I would also appreciate it if you share it with your friend who you think will benefit from it. Comment the word “PODCAST” below and I’ll DM you a link to listen. If this episode blesses you, please share it with a friend!S H O W  N O T E S-The Run Down By The Running Effect (our new newsletter!): https://tinyurl.com/mr36s9rs-Our Website: https://therunningeffect.run -THE PODCAST ON YOUTUBE: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UClLcLIDAqmJBTHeyWJx_wFQ-My Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/therunningeffect/?hl=en⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠-Take our podcast survey: https://tinyurl.com/3ua62ffz
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Dec 17, 2025 • 32min

The Science Behind the Glycerin Flex: Brooks’ Director of Product Reveals How Great Shoes Are Really Made

The holidays are in full swing, and we're pulling back the curtain on one of the most anticipated running-shoe launches of the year. The brand-new Brooks Glycerin Flex is here, and we have Nikhil Jain, Director of Product Line Management at Brooks Running–and the mind helping steer innovation behind the brand–joining us to break it all down.The Glycerin Flex is an all-new, highly cushioned running shoe debuting in early 2026 that offers a smoother, more flexible ride compared to the standard Glycerin.Nikhil Jain himself brings unmatched insight into the art and science of building world-class running shoes. From line planning to forecasting; from creative problem-solving to leading teams that shape what millions of runners feel underfoot; he offers a rare look into Brooks’ product engine. Whether you’re a shoe nerd, a data-driven athlete, or just curious about what makes the Glycerin Flex so different, this is required listening. If you’re interested in delving into the experience of the future of cushioning in running straight from the source, this is the place to be.Tap into the Nikhil Jain Special.If you enjoy the podcast, please consider following us on Spotify and Apple Podcasts and giving us a five-star review! I would also appreciate it if you share it with your friend who you think will benefit from it. Comment the word “PODCAST” below and I’ll DM you a link to listen. If this episode blesses you, please share it with a friend!S H O W  N O T E S-The Run Down By The Running Effect (our new newsletter!): https://tinyurl.com/mr36s9rs-Our Website: https://therunningeffect.run -THE PODCAST ON YOUTUBE: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UClLcLIDAqmJBTHeyWJx_wFQ-My Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/therunningeffect/?hl=en⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠-Take our podcast survey: https://tinyurl.com/3ua62ffz
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Dec 15, 2025 • 53min

Professional Chef & Hybrid Athlete: Dan Churchill on the Nutrition Habits of World-Class Performers

TWO WEEKS OF FREE WITH CODE "RUNEFFECT" : https://kaizen.app.link/TREDan Churchill has cooked for Lindsey Vonn at the Olympics, run five World Marathon Majors, survived Leadville 100, and built companies that fuse food, data, and performance. He isn’t just a chef, he’s a hybrid athlete rewriting what ‘fueling’ really means. He is self-effacing and humorous, whowants to help athletes cook better to optimize performance in their given area. Dan was on Series 5 of Master Chef, he self-published his first cook book before he ever stepped foot on Gordon Ramsey’s show, has a Masters in Exercise Science, has appeared on Good Morning America and The Food Network, and has his own restaurant in NYC: The Osprey, in Brooklyn. His newsletter is a terrific source for those looking to improve their food intake and ramp up their physical performance.He also hosts his own podcast, Epic Table, where he chats with guests about health and wellness, entrepreneurship, and much more.He also recently won an age group HYROX in Dallas, and has run a 3:05 marathon (Boston in 2023), while completingLeadville in 2024. If you care about running, training, nutrition, or performing at your best, Dan Churchill is the blueprint. His career shows that you can chase big goals, build meaningful work, and still show up with joy every day.Tap into the Dan Churchill Special.If you enjoy the podcast, please consider following us on Spotify and Apple Podcasts and giving us a five-star review! I would also appreciate it if you share it with your friend who you think will benefit from it. Comment the word “PODCAST” below and I’ll DM you a link to listen. If this episode blesses you, please share it with a friend!S H O W  N O T E S-The Run Down By The Running Effect (our new newsletter!): https://tinyurl.com/mr36s9rs-Our Website: https://therunningeffect.run -THE PODCAST ON YOUTUBE: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UClLcLIDAqmJBTHeyWJx_wFQ-My Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/therunningeffect/?hl=en⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠-Take our podcast survey: https://tinyurl.com/3ua62ffz
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Dec 12, 2025 • 26min

From High School Phenom to National Champion: Inside Jackson Spencer’s Historic NXN Run

In a year packed with breakout stars, one name has refused to fade from the headlines: Jackson Spencer. Herriman High’s own just won the 2025 NXN Boys 5K championship with a time of 15:01.1, cementing himself as the top high school distance runner in the country and making a case to be in the mix with the best in the NCAA next year.In 2025, Jackson became the name every prep distance fan needed to know. The Utah standout, who is headed to BYU next year, had an impressive spring season, where he unleashed a 4:02.56 mile and 3:46.22 1500m at the HOKA Festival of Miles–performances that placed him among the fastest prep milers in the country.By late fall, Jackson was smashing the Woodward Park course record with a 14:16.9. Now, with an NXN title capping off a historic year, he stands at the edge of an entirely new chapter. The times, the records, the dominance–they’re all real. Whether you’re here for training insights, race breakdowns, or a front-row seat to the making of America’s next collegiate star, this episode delivers.Tap into the Jackson Spencer Special.If you enjoy the podcast, please consider following us on Spotify and Apple Podcasts and giving us a five-star review! I would also appreciate it if you share it with your friend who you think will benefit from it. Comment the word “PODCAST” below and I’ll DM you a link to listen. If this episode blesses you, please share it with a friend!S H O W  N O T E S-The Run Down By The Running Effect (our new newsletter!): https://tinyurl.com/mr36s9rs-Our Website: https://therunningeffect.run -THE PODCAST ON YOUTUBE: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UClLcLIDAqmJBTHeyWJx_wFQ-My Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/therunningeffect/?hl=en⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠-Take our podcast survey: https://tinyurl.com/3ua62ffz
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Dec 10, 2025 • 52min

Run Fast, Eat Slow: Elyse Kopecky On How Real Food And Cooking Can Transform Your Running

Elyse Kopecky, a chef and three-time New York Times bestselling author, discusses her journey from NCAA runner to culinary innovator. She shares how her cookbooks sparked a real-food revolution and the surprising success of her Superhero Muffin Mix. Elyse emphasizes the importance of cooking for athletes, highlighting how nutritious meals improve performance and well-being. With tips on meal prep and ingredient awareness, she encourages both young athletes and families to embrace cooking as a lifelong skill. Her story inspires balance in life, love for food, and passion for running.
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Dec 8, 2025 • 1h

How Josh Sambrook Cut His Marathon From 3:24 to 2:28 With a System That Breaks Every Rule in Running

TWO WEEKS OF FREE WITH CODE "RUNEFFECT" : https://kaizen.app.link/TREMost training apps tell you exactly what to do every day. Josh Sambrook helped to build one that tells you your weekly target, and lets you train however your life demands.It’s the system that helped him run 120-mile weeks, cut his marathon time to 2:28 by age 23 (he ran his first marathon at 17), and reinvent how thousands of runners train.Josh and Michael Keskerides are the co-founders of the Kaizen app for runners. The app is a flexible and dynamic training system that sets a training load target at the start of the week, and then the user is free to achieve this goal through whatever combination of runs works best for their lifestyle. With the app and this training system, athletes can “trade” intensity for distance. Kaizen is the Japanese business principle of continuous improvement; discrete, ongoing, small changes can lead to significant benefits, and they used this as their model. The two co-founders host the Miles Better Podcast, where they discuss running and how they use the app for training.Josh himself is a sports scientist, builder of training systems and prediction engines, a running coach, writer, and podcaster–and he’s here to bring clarity to a sport drowning in noise.Tap into the Josh Sambrook Special.If you enjoy the podcast, please consider following us on Spotify and Apple Podcasts and giving us a five-star review! I would also appreciate it if you share it with your friend who you think will benefit from it. Comment the word “PODCAST” below and I’ll DM you a link to listen. If this episode blesses you, please share it with a friend!S H O W  N O T E S-The Run Down By The Running Effect (our new newsletter!): https://tinyurl.com/mr36s9rs-Our Website: https://therunningeffect.run -THE PODCAST ON YOUTUBE: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UClLcLIDAqmJBTHeyWJx_wFQ-My Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/therunningeffect/?hl=en⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠-Take our podcast survey: https://tinyurl.com/3ua62ffz
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Dec 6, 2025 • 59min

Elliott Cook on The Golden Era of NCAA, Surviving Setbacks, and Finding the Confidence to Break Through

We’re living in the golden era of NCAA middle distance running, and Elliott Cook is right in the center of it. Elliot is the NCAA Outdoor 1500m runner-up (3:39.57) from 2024, while also coming in 8th at the US Olympic Team trials that year, running a career best 3:33.84. His other PRs include a 3:55 mile and 1:45.26 in the 800m.In high school he was a four-time Ohio D1 Central District champion, a state indoor 1600m champion in 2020, and nabbed district titles in the 800m and 1600m; he also had a top-10 finish at Nike Cross Midwest. Now a senior at Oregon finishing up his last days as a collegiate runner, Elliot battled a hip injury throughout the winter, but was able to compete this spring and summer, where, in July he ran his 800m personal best. He competed at the US Olympic Trials again this past summer, running a strong 3:35.36 to finish fourth in his heat, but missed the finals in a stacked field. Elliott’s rise reminds us that progress doesn’t always announce itself, sometimes it builds quietly until the moment everything clicks. If you’re chasing something big, take a page from his story. Stay patient. Stay consistent. Your breakthrough might be closer than you think.Tap into the Elliot Cook Special.If you enjoy the podcast, please consider following us on Spotify and Apple Podcasts and giving us a five-star review! I would also appreciate it if you share it with your friend who you think will benefit from it. Comment the word “PODCAST” below and I’ll DM you a link to listen. If this episode blesses you, please share it with a friend!S H O W  N O T E S-The Run Down By The Running Effect (our new newsletter!): https://tinyurl.com/mr36s9rs-Our Website: https://therunningeffect.run -THE PODCAST ON YOUTUBE: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UClLcLIDAqmJBTHeyWJx_wFQ-My Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/therunningeffect/?hl=en⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠-Take our podcast survey: https://tinyurl.com/3ua62ffz
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Dec 4, 2025 • 42min

The Pilot Who Trains Like a Pro: How Joseph Miuccio Balances 35,000 Feet with Ironman, Leadville, and a Sub-3 Marathon

Joseph Miuccio, an airline pilot and accomplished endurance athlete, shares his thrilling journey of balancing life at 35,000 feet with rigorous training for marathons, triathlons, and ultra races. He discusses managing fatigue during red-eye flights and how he creatively adjusts his workouts around travel. Joey emphasizes the importance of building a solid foundation in either strength or endurance and shares insights on nutrition and the challenges of training for performance versus health. His stories inspire listeners to chase hard goals and prioritize self-improvement.
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Dec 2, 2025 • 50min

From Walk-On to Olympian: Emily Mackay on Reinvention, Resilience, and Running the Best Races of Her Life

From walk-on to Olympian, Emily Mackay has rewritten every expectation.Now, she’s back on the show to open up about the reinvention that’s powering the best chapter of her career.Emily ran collegiately at Binghamton University, where her best NCAA finish was 6th in the 1500m as a senior in 2022. She joined New Balance Boston that summer of 2022, while training under coach Mark Coogan. What followed was a rapid improvement as a professional, lowering her 1500m personal best from 4:08.97 to 3:59.99 in 2023. Emily was then one of America’s best female middle distance runners in 2024. In addition to her 1500m exploits, her 800m season’s best of 1:57.87 ranked sixth in the US that year. She also ran in the 1500m semifinals in the Paris Olympics. In 2025, Mackay finished 4th in the 3,000m at the US indoor championships in February, and took 10th at Tokyo in the 1500m semifinals with a 4:08.19. Emily signed with New Balance in 2022, and while she was formerly part of Team New Balance Boston, she has since left the team. Emily’s rise is proof that belief, resilience, and reinvention can take you anywhere. If her journey fired you up, share this conversation and follow along, because her story is only getting betterTap into the Emily Mackay Special.If you enjoy the podcast, please consider following us on Spotify and Apple Podcasts and giving us a five-star review! I would also appreciate it if you share it with your friend who you think will benefit from it. Comment the word “PODCAST” below and I’ll DM you a link to listen. If this episode blesses you, please share it with a friend!S H O W  N O T E S-The Run Down By The Running Effect (our new newsletter!): https://tinyurl.com/mr36s9rs-Our Website: https://therunningeffect.run -THE PODCAST ON YOUTUBE: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UClLcLIDAqmJBTHeyWJx_wFQ-My Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/therunningeffect/?hl=en⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠-Take our podcast survey: https://tinyurl.com/3ua62ffz

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