

Get Creative with Pace Morby
Pace Morby
Discover the insider secrets of real estate investing and unlock your path to financial freedom with the Get Creative Podcast with Pace Morby. Join Pace and industry experts as they share invaluable tips, creative finance strategies, and success stories to help you thrive in the competitive world of real estate investing. Whether you’re a seasoned investor or just starting out, our podcast provides actionable insights to accelerate your journey towards wealth and independence. Tune in now and start building your empire today!
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Oct 16, 2025 • 38min
From Classroom to Coastline: How Tracy Koa Closed a $750K Seller-Financed Deal in Hawaii
Former educator Tracy Koa joins host Jordan Whittenburg to break down a seller-financed multifamily deal in Hawaii—right across from the ocean—with a 4% interest rate, 7-year balloon, and roughly $2,000/month cash flow. Hear how Tracy transformed 25 years of teaching into real estate superpowers, squadded up with SubTo, Gator, and Owners Club members, and collaborated with a creative-friendly agent to craft win-win terms (including a rehab/equity plan that addressed the seller’s property-condition concerns).
Connect with Tracy: https://www.instagram.com/tracykoa/
➡️ Meet Pace on the Creative Nation Tour: https://bit.ly/GetCreativeNationTour
➡️ Download the Free SubTo A-Z e-book: https://subto.sjv.io/qzd0Vb
➡️ Get the CRM that will take you further: https://www.gohighlevel.com/pace
➡️ Use Creative Listing for FREE to buy and sell creatively: https://bit.ly/CreativeListing
➡️ Join the SubTo Community: https://subto.sjv.io/RG6EDb
➡️ Become a Top Tier Transaction Coordinator: https://toptiertc.pxf.io/yqmoxW
➡️ Discover the Gator Method: https://gator.sjv.io/Z6qOyX
➡️ Get to the SquadUp Summit Conference: https://bit.ly/GetToSquadUpSummit
COMMUNITY MEMBERS!
➡️ Get Featured on the Get Creative Podcast: https://bit.ly/GetCreativeGuestForm
Refer a Friend to SubTo: refer.nre.ai/subto
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Refer a Friend to Gator: refer.nre.ai/gator
PLUG IN & SUBSCRIBE
Creative Real Estate Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/creativefinancewithpacemorby
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/pacemorby/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@PaceMorby
TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@pacemorby
X: https://x.com/PaceJordanMorby
The Pace Morby Show: https://www.youtube.com/@thepacemorbyshow

Oct 14, 2025 • 35min
From Talent Acquisition to Triple-Digit Flip: How April Elias and Pace Morby Closed a $700K Waterfront Deal
In this episode of Get Creative with Host Jordan Whittenburg, we dive deep into the inspiring story of April Elias, a real estate investor and longtime member of Pace Morby’s SubTo, Gator, and Owners Club communities. Discover how April leveraged her 20+ years in talent acquisition to negotiate, structure, and close a luxury log cabin flip in Maryland—a deal that turned into a $700K success and netted a six-figure profit.
From overcoming last-minute hard money loan setbacks to securing creative private funding with Pace Morby, Julian, and Roni, April walks us through every twist and turn of this incredible triple-digit flip. You’ll also learn how she’s combining her AI expertise with partner Heather Grisard to help other investors automate and scale their real estate businesses.
Connect with April: https://www.instagram.com/aprilelias/
➡️ Meet Pace on the Creative Nation Tour: https://bit.ly/GetCreativeNationTour
➡️ Download the Free SubTo A-Z e-book: https://subto.sjv.io/qzd0Vb
➡️ Get the CRM that will take you further: https://www.gohighlevel.com/pace
➡️ Use Creative Listing for FREE to buy and sell creatively: https://bit.ly/CreativeListing
➡️ Join the SubTo Community: https://subto.sjv.io/RG6EDb
➡️ Become a Top Tier Transaction Coordinator: https://toptiertc.pxf.io/yqmoxW
➡️ Discover the Gator Method: https://gator.sjv.io/Z6qOyX
➡️ Get to the SquadUp Summit Conference: https://bit.ly/GetToSquadUpSummit
COMMUNITY MEMBERS!
➡️ Get Featured on the Get Creative Podcast: https://bit.ly/GetCreativeGuestForm
Refer a Friend to SubTo: refer.nre.ai/subto
Refer a Friend to TTTC: refer.nre.ai/tttc
Refer a Friend to Gator: refer.nre.ai/gator
PLUG IN & SUBSCRIBE
Creative Real Estate Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/creativefinancewithpacemorby
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/pacemorby/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@PaceMorby
TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@pacemorby
X: https://x.com/PaceJordanMorby
The Pace Morby Show: https://www.youtube.com/@thepacemorbyshow

Oct 9, 2025 • 43min
Teacher Turned Investor: Tracy Koa’s Leap Into PadSplit & New Builds With Dustin Geroski
In this episode of Get Creative, host Justin sits down with Tracy Koa and Dustin—co-living operators from the SubTo community—who are scaling from proven PadSplit deals to ground-up 10-bed/10-bath co-living new builds in Texas. They unpack how they fractionally raised ~$300K from ~30 equity partners, structured financing with DSCR loans and a credit sponsor, leveraged PadSplit’s marketing + member pipeline, and why Texas zoning and pre-approved plans let them move fast.
Connect with Dustin: https://www.instagram.com/dustin__geroski/
Connect with Tracy: https://www.instagram.com/tracykoa/
➡️ Split your Pad with the Co-Living Model: http://padsplit.com/pacemorby
➡️ Find Out How One Multifamily Deal Could Change your Life: https://subto.sjv.io/JKNB7E
➡️ Meet Pace on the Creative Nation Tour: https://bit.ly/GetCreativeNationTour
➡️ Download the Free SubTo A-Z e-book: https://subto.sjv.io/qzd0Vb
➡️ Get the CRM that will take you further: https://www.gohighlevel.com/pace
➡️ Use Creative Listing for FREE to buy and sell creatively: https://bit.ly/CreativeListing
➡️ Join the SubTo Community: https://subto.sjv.io/RG6EDb
➡️ Become a Top Tier Transaction Coordinator: https://toptiertc.pxf.io/yqmoxW
➡️ Discover the Gator Method: https://gator.sjv.io/Z6qOyX
➡️ Get to the SquadUp Summit Conference: https://bit.ly/GetToSquadUpSummit
COMMUNITY MEMBERS!
➡️ Get Featured on the Get Creative Podcast: https://bit.ly/GetCreativeGuestForm
Refer a Friend to SubTo: refer.nre.ai/subto
Refer a Friend to TTTC: refer.nre.ai/tttc
Refer a Friend to Gator: refer.nre.ai/gator
PLUG IN & SUBSCRIBE
Creative Real Estate Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/creativefinancewithpacemorby
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/pacemorby/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@PaceMorby
TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@pacemorby
X: https://x.com/PaceJordanMorby
The Pace Morby Show: https://www.youtube.com/@thepacemorbyshow

Oct 7, 2025 • 33min
How to Help Sellers in Pre-Foreclosure with Creative Finance (SubTo Real Estate)
In this episode of Get Creative with Pace Morby, host Jordan Whittenburg sits down with Erick Arvizu Santos, an engineer-turned-real-estate investor from Arizona, to unpack how creative finance transformed his life and business.
Erick shares his journey from managing an inherited property to building a 17-door portfolio through SubTo strategies, co-living, and Section 8 housing. He breaks down a Phoenix SubTo deal that helped a struggling seller escape hard money debt—proving that creative solutions can create true win-win outcomes.
Connect with Erick: https://blinq.me/cm8wisc8u03ovs60lups5mbgd
➡️ Find Out How One Multifamily Deal Could Change your Life: https://subto.sjv.io/JKNB7E
➡️ Download the Free SubTo A-Z e-book: https://subto.sjv.io/qzd0Vb
➡️ Meet Pace on the Creative Nation Tour: https://bit.ly/GetCreativeNationTour
➡️ Get the CRM that will take you further: https://www.gohighlevel.com/pace
➡️ Use Creative Listing for FREE to buy and sell creatively: https://bit.ly/CreativeListing
➡️ Join the SubTo Community: https://subto.sjv.io/RG6EDb
➡️ Become a Top Tier Transaction Coordinator: https://toptiertc.pxf.io/yqmoxW
➡️ Discover the Gator Method: https://gator.sjv.io/Z6qOyX
➡️ Get to the SquadUp Summit Conference: https://bit.ly/GetToSquadUpSummit
COMMUNITY MEMBERS!
➡️ Get Featured on the Get Creative Podcast: https://bit.ly/GetCreativeGuestForm
Refer a Friend to SubTo: refer.nre.ai/subto
Refer a Friend to TTTC: refer.nre.ai/tttc
Refer a Friend to Gator: refer.nre.ai/gator
PLUG IN & SUBSCRIBE
Creative Real Estate Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/creativefinancewithpacemorby
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/pacemorby/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@PaceMorby
TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@pacemorby
X: https://x.com/PaceJordanMorby
The Pace Morby Show: https://www.youtube.com/@thepacemorbyshow

Oct 2, 2025 • 28min
From Trucking to Cash Flow: How Kevin Thompson Became a Private Money Lender
Host Keola Keala sits down with entrepreneur-turned-investor Kevin Thompson (Gator, SubTo, Owners Club) to unpack how a lifetime of startups—and a family crisis—pushed him into creative private lending. Kevin shares how he discovered Pace Morby’s community, ditched analysis paralysis, and funded an 8-door PadSplit co-living project in Houston after thoroughly vetting the operator (people first), the deal, and the docs.
Connect with Kevin Thompson: https://blinq.me/OKzhh2pxAeWWRHr5oi6K
➡️ Download the Free SubTo A-Z e-book: https://subto.sjv.io/qzd0Vb
➡️ Find Out How One Multifamily Deal Could Change your Life: https://subto.sjv.io/JKNB7E
➡️ Meet Pace on the Creative Nation Tour: https://bit.ly/GetCreativeNationTour
➡️ Get the CRM that will take you further: https://www.gohighlevel.com/pace
➡️ Use Creative Listing for FREE to buy and sell creatively: https://bit.ly/CreativeListing
➡️ Join the SubTo Community: https://subto.sjv.io/RG6EDb
➡️ Become a Top Tier Transaction Coordinator: https://toptiertc.pxf.io/yqmoxW
➡️ Discover the Gator Method: https://gator.sjv.io/Z6qOyX
➡️ Get to the SquadUp Summit Conference: https://bit.ly/GetToSquadUpSummit
COMMUNITY MEMBERS!
➡️ Get Featured on the Get Creative Podcast: https://bit.ly/GetCreativeGuestForm
Refer a Friend to SubTo: refer.nre.ai/subto
Refer a Friend to TTTC: refer.nre.ai/tttc
Refer a Friend to Gator: refer.nre.ai/gator
PLUG IN & SUBSCRIBE
Creative Real Estate Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/creativefinancewithpacemorby
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/pacemorby/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@PaceMorby
TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@pacemorby
X: https://x.com/PaceJordanMorby
The Pace Morby Show: https://www.youtube.com/@thepacemorbyshow

Sep 30, 2025 • 55min
From Slumlord to Stabilized: Flipping a Mobile Home Park with Creative Finance
Host Justin Tuminowski sits down with Texas investors Lance & Jessie Riggen to unpack their full creative-finance playbook on a 42-pad mobile home/RV park in Midland, TX. They found the deal on a listing site, negotiated $1.4M seller financing at 7.5% with 10% down and 18 months interest-only, then battled deferred maintenance, septic surprises, vacancies, and weak management.
Perfect for anyone learning creative finance, JV structuring, and mobile home park repositioning—with real numbers, real problems, and real solutions. If you’ve got a Sunbelt deal or want in on their “deal room,” connect with Lance on IG: https://www.instagram.com/lanceriggen/
➡️ Download the Free SubTo A-Z e-book: https://subto.sjv.io/qzd0Vb
➡️ Learn the Multifamily Investing hack from Pace LIVE: https://subto.sjv.io/JKNB7E
➡️ Meet Pace on the Creative Nation Tour: https://bit.ly/GetCreativeNationTour
➡️ Get the CRM that will take you further: https://www.gohighlevel.com/pace
➡️ Use Creative Listing for FREE to buy and sell creatively: https://bit.ly/CreativeListing
➡️ Join the SubTo Community: https://subto.sjv.io/RG6EDb
➡️ Become a Top Tier Transaction Coordinator: https://toptiertc.pxf.io/yqmoxW
➡️ Discover the Gator Method: https://gator.sjv.io/Z6qOyX
➡️ Get to the SquadUp Summit Conference: https://bit.ly/GetToSquadUpSummit
COMMUNITY MEMBERS!
➡️ Get Featured on the Get Creative Podcast: https://bit.ly/GetCreativeGuestForm
Refer a Friend to SubTo: refer.nre.ai/subto
Refer a Friend to TTTC: refer.nre.ai/tttc
Refer a Friend to Gator: refer.nre.ai/gator
PLUG IN & SUBSCRIBE
Creative Real Estate Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/creativefinancewithpacemorby
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/pacemorby/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@PaceMorby
TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@pacemorby
X: https://x.com/PaceJordanMorby
The Pace Morby Show: https://www.youtube.com/@thepacemorbyshow

Sep 25, 2025 • 31min
How Stella Han Went From Software Engineer to Fractional Real Estate CEO
In this episode of the Get Creative Podcast, host Justin Tuminowski sits down with Stella Han, co-founder and CEO of Fractional, to explore how anyone—from seasoned investors to complete beginners—can start building wealth in real estate with as little as $5,000.
Stella shares her inspiring journey from software engineer to real estate entrepreneur with a portfolio of 150+ units, and the breakthrough moment that led her to co-create Fractional: a platform designed to make capital raising and community-driven investing accessible for everyone—not just accredited investors.
Follow Stella: https://www.instagram.com/hellastellah/
➡️ Download the Free SubTo A-Z e-book: https://subto.sjv.io/qzd0Vb
➡️ Get the CRM that will take you further: https://www.gohighlevel.com/pace
➡️ Use Creative Listing for FREE to buy and sell creatively: https://bit.ly/CreativeListing
➡️ Join the SubTo Community: https://subto.sjv.io/RG6EDb
➡️ Become a Top Tier Transaction Coordinator: https://toptiertc.pxf.io/yqmoxW
➡️ Discover the Gator Method: https://gator.sjv.io/Z6qOyX
➡️ Get to the SquadUp Summit Conference: https://bit.ly/GetToSquadUpSummit
COMMUNITY MEMBERS!
➡️ Get Featured on the Get Creative Podcast: https://bit.ly/GetCreativeGuestForm
Refer a Friend to SubTo: refer.nre.ai/subto
Refer a Friend to TTTC: refer.nre.ai/tttc
Refer a Friend to Gator: refer.nre.ai/gator
PLUG IN & SUBSCRIBE
Creative Real Estate Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/creativefinancewithpacemorby
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/pacemorby/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@PaceMorby
TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@pacemorby
X: https://x.com/PaceJordanMorby
The Pace Morby Show: https://www.youtube.com/@thepacemorbyshow

Sep 24, 2025 • 1h 18min
From Denial to Done Deal: Dylan’s Door Knocking Secrets
Get ready, because today’s guest is bringing it! SubTo member Dylan Eterovich is here with Pace to spill the secrets on door knocking pre-foreclosures... He’s walking us through tough seller conversations, what to do when that "yes" finally comes, and the exact systems he uses to scale... And, if you’ve ever wondered how to pull the right data to get started, Dylan’s got you covered... Let’s GO!
Follow Dylan: https://www.instagram.com/d.eterovich/
Email Dylan: deterovich@gmail.com
➡️ Save your Dying Deals with This Method: https://gator.sjv.io/OeDgzZ
➡️ Get the CRM that will take you further: https://www.gohighlevel.com/pace
➡️ Use Creative Listing for FREE to buy and sell creatively: https://bit.ly/CreativeListing
➡️ Join the SubTo Community: https://subto.sjv.io/RG6EDb
➡️ Become a Top Tier Transaction Coordinator: https://toptiertc.pxf.io/yqmoxW
➡️ Discover the Gator Method: https://gator.sjv.io/Z6qOyX
➡️ Get to the SquadUp Summit Conference: https://bit.ly/GetToSquadUpSummit
COMMUNITY MEMBERS!
➡️ Get Featured on the Get Creative Podcast: https://bit.ly/GetCreativeGuestForm
Refer a Friend to SubTo: refer.nre.ai/subto
Refer a Friend to TTTC: refer.nre.ai/tttc
Refer a Friend to Gator: refer.nre.ai/gator
PLUG IN & SUBSCRIBE
Creative Real Estate Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/creativefinancewithpacemorby
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/pacemorby/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@PaceMorby
TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@pacemorby
X: https://x.com/PaceJordanMorby
The Pace Morby Show: https://www.youtube.com/@thepacemorbyshow

Sep 23, 2025 • 35min
Closing Wholesale Deals with Transparency: Lessons from John Matland
In this episode of the Get Creative podcast, host Jordan Whittenburg sits down with John Matland, a former healthcare professional turned real estate investor, to explore how resilience, creativity, and transparency became the foundation of his success.
John shares his powerful story of leaving an 18-year healthcare career in New York during the pandemic, running for Congress, and ultimately discovering real estate through Pace Morby’s community. He breaks down a wholesale deal that nearly fell apart—revealing how emotional intelligence, honesty, and unique option contracts helped him close the deal against all odds.
Connect with NexKey Collective owner, John Matland on his website: NexKeyCollective.com
➡️ Download the Free SubTo A-Z e-book: https://subto.sjv.io/qzd0Vb
➡️ Save your Dying Deals with This Method: https://gator.sjv.io/OeDgzZ
➡️ Get the CRM that will take you further: https://www.gohighlevel.com/pace
➡️ Use Creative Listing for FREE to buy and sell creatively: https://bit.ly/CreativeListing
➡️ Join the SubTo Community: https://subto.sjv.io/RG6EDb
➡️ Become a Top Tier Transaction Coordinator: https://toptiertc.pxf.io/yqmoxW
➡️ Discover the Gator Method: https://gator.sjv.io/Z6qOyX
➡️ Get to the SquadUp Summit Conference: https://bit.ly/GetToSquadUpSummit
COMMUNITY MEMBERS!
➡️ Get Featured on the Get Creative Podcast: https://bit.ly/GetCreativeGuestForm
Refer a Friend to SubTo: refer.nre.ai/subto
Refer a Friend to TTTC: refer.nre.ai/tttc
Refer a Friend to Gator: refer.nre.ai/gator
PLUG IN & SUBSCRIBE
Creative Real Estate Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/creativefinancewithpacemorby
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/pacemorby/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@PaceMorby
TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@pacemorby
X: https://x.com/PaceJordanMorby
The Pace Morby Show: https://www.youtube.com/@thepacemorbyshow

Sep 18, 2025 • 44min
From Cop to Cash Flow: Matt Poechman’s Road to Financial Freedom
In this episode of Get Creative, host Keola Keala sits down with Matt Poechman—former Canadian law enforcement officer turned real estate investor and transformational coach—to unpack how a go-giver mindset can fast-track your journey to financial freedom. Matt shares how dissatisfaction with the 60-hour grind led him to mentorship, Pace Morby’s Subto community, and ultimately a wildly creative 32-unit mobile home park deal in Montezuma, GA—structured with a triple-net lease and lease-option after a subto roadblock, raised on Dealmaker, and designed with an investor-friendly waterfall.
He welcomes all members who want to Bird Dog for him or bring him a great deal to Wedge Method and learn how he invests in Manufactured home parks and RV parks.
📲 Connect with Mathew:
Instagram | Facebook
➡️ Download the Free SubTo A-Z e-book: https://subto.sjv.io/qzd0Vb
➡️ Join the SubTo Community: https://subto.sjv.io/RG6EDb
➡️ Get the CRM that will take you further: https://www.gohighlevel.com/pace
➡️ Use Creative Listing for FREE to buy and sell creatively: https://bit.ly/CreativeListing
➡️ Become a Top Tier Transaction Coordinator: https://toptiertc.pxf.io/yqmoxW
➡️ Save your Dying Deals with This Method: https://gator.sjv.io/JKX10R
➡️ Get to the SquadUp Summit Conference: https://bit.ly/GetToSquadUpSummit
COMMUNITY MEMBERS!
➡️ Get Featured on the Get Creative Podcast: https://bit.ly/GetCreativeGuestForm
Refer a Friend to SubTo: refer.nre.ai/subto
Refer a Friend to TTTC: refer.nre.ai/tttc
Refer a Friend to Gator: refer.nre.ai/gator
PLUG IN & SUBSCRIBE
Creative Real Estate Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/creativefinancewithpacemorby
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/pacemorby/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@PaceMorby
TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@pacemorby
X: https://x.com/PaceJordanMorby
The Pace Morby Show: https://www.youtube.com/@thepacemorbyshow