

Short & Curly
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Short & Curly is the fun and educational ABC Kids and Family podcast that makes philosophy and ethics easy, entertaining, and thought-provoking. Hosted by Molly Daniels, Carl Smith, and philosopher Eleanor Gordon-Smith, the show explores big questions for kids about right and wrong, fairness, truth, knowledge, logic, beauty, and art.
Perfect for kids aged 8–12, Short & Curly is loved by families, parents, and teachers worldwide. One of the best kids shows for curious minds, it inspires learning, laughter, and big ideas that help children learn how to think, not what to think.
Created by the ABC (Australian Broadcasting Corporation), trusted makers of award-winning children's content.
Binge this free educational ABC kids podcast series on the ABC listen app (Australia) or wherever you get your podcasts worldwide
Classroom Resources: Listen to the podcast in the classroom or as homework and use these resources to explore and expand upon the diverse themes and subjects covered in the show.
Perfect for kids aged 8–12, Short & Curly is loved by families, parents, and teachers worldwide. One of the best kids shows for curious minds, it inspires learning, laughter, and big ideas that help children learn how to think, not what to think.
Created by the ABC (Australian Broadcasting Corporation), trusted makers of award-winning children's content.
Binge this free educational ABC kids podcast series on the ABC listen app (Australia) or wherever you get your podcasts worldwide
Classroom Resources: Listen to the podcast in the classroom or as homework and use these resources to explore and expand upon the diverse themes and subjects covered in the show.
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Oct 1, 2025 • 23min
Should you have to pass a test to have kids?
We test for everything: to get a licence, to move to the next grade, to prove you're ready to use a pen. But when it comes to becoming a biological parent, there's no test to pass. Should there be? Would a parenting test be a good idea?Brains Trust — Gibbs Street Public School, Perth: Fitzroy, Shahla, Jorja, Nafi, Tabitha, GumaanListen to Short & Curly, the fun and educational ABC kids podcast about philosophy and ethics. Join hosts Molly Daniels, Carl Smith, and philosopher Eleanor Gordon-Smith as they explore big questions about right and wrong, fairness, truth, knowledge, logic, beauty and art.Perfect for tweens aged 8–12, families, and teachers, Short & Curly is one of the best kids shows for curious minds.Combines storytelling, philosophy, and comedyPerfect for school listening, car trips, or family discussionsCreated by the ABC (Australian Broadcasting Corporation), trusted makers of award-winning children's contentBinge this free educational ABC kids podcast series on the ABC listen app (Australia) or wherever you get your podcasts worldwide

Sep 30, 2025 • 20min
Is it wrong to think bad thoughts about people?
We all have thoughts about other people that we’d never say aloud. But do our private thoughts say something about the kind of people we are? Or is it only our actions that count? Brains Trust - Gibbs Street Public School, Perth: Layla, Avjot, Johanna, Imogen, Sampada, Claudia.Listen to Short & Curly, the fun and educational ABC kids podcast about philosophy and ethics. Join hosts Molly Daniels, Carl Smith, and philosopher Eleanor Gordon-Smith as they explore big questions about right and wrong, fairness, truth, knowledge, logic, beauty and art.Perfect for tweens aged 8–12, families, and teachers, Short & Curly is one of the best kids shows for curious minds. Combines storytelling, philosophy, and comedyPerfect for school listening, car trips, or family discussionsCreated by the ABC (Australian Broadcasting Corporation), trusted makers of award-winning children’s contentBinge this free educational ABC kids podcast series on the ABC listen app (Australia) or wherever you get your podcasts worldwide

Sep 30, 2025 • 23min
Graffiti or Gallery? When does graffiti become street art?
Ever walked past a spray-painted wall and thought, "That's actually really cool and beautiful!" But is it art or just stylish vandalism? Molly and Carl grab some spray cans and dive into the messy, colourful world of graffiti to ask: when does a rebellious scribble become art, and who gets to decide?Brains Trust — Gibbs Street Public School, Perth: Fitzroy, Shahla, Jorja, Nafi, Tabitha, GumaanListen to Short & Curly, the fun and educational ABC kids podcast about philosophy and ethics. Join hosts Molly Daniels, Carl Smith, and philosopher Eleanor Gordon-Smith as they explore big questions about right and wrong, fairness, truth, knowledge, logic, beauty and art.Perfect for tweens aged 8–12, families, and teachers, Short & Curly is one of the best kids shows for curious minds.Combines storytelling, philosophy, and comedyPerfect for school listening, car trips, or family discussionsCreated by the ABC (Australian Broadcasting Corporation), trusted makers of award-winning children's contentBinge this free educational ABC kids podcast series on the ABC listen app (Australia) or wherever you get your podcasts worldwide

Sep 30, 2025 • 21min
Risky Rescues: Should you save someone who ignored warnings?
There's wild surf at the beach today, but people are still choosing to swim outside the area patrolled by lifeguards. If those swimmers get into trouble out there, should other people put themselves at risk to save them? Or does ignoring the warnings mean you're on your own?Brains Trust — Gibbs Street Public School, Perth: Fitzroy, Shahla, Jorja, Nafi, Tabitha, GumaanListen to Short & Curly, the fun and educational ABC kids podcast about philosophy and ethics. Join hosts Molly Daniels, Carl Smith, and philosopher Eleanor Gordon-Smith as they explore big questions about right and wrong, fairness, truth, knowledge, logic, beauty and art.Perfect for tweens aged 8–12, families, and teachers, Short & Curly is one of the best kids shows for curious minds.Combines storytelling, philosophy, and comedyPerfect for school listening, car trips, or family discussionsCreated by the ABC (Australian Broadcasting Corporation), trusted makers of award-winning children's contentBinge this free educational ABC kids podcast series on the ABC listen app (Australia) or wherever you get your podcasts worldwide

Sep 30, 2025 • 21min
Bad dog or bad owner? Who’s really to blame?
Most dogs are loving companions, but what about the ones that bite, bark, or cause chaos? Is a dog's bad behaviour their own fault or is it down to the way they were raised? From neglected pups to misunderstood mutts, we dig into the debate: Who's really responsible when a dog goes rogue, and what should we do about it?Brains Trust — Gibbs Street Public School, Perth: Layla, Avjot, Johanna, Imogen, Sampada, Claudia.Listen to Short & Curly, the fun and educational ABC kids podcast about philosophy and ethics. Join hosts Molly Daniels, Carl Smith, and philosopher Eleanor Gordon-Smith as they explore big questions about right and wrong, fairness, truth, knowledge, logic, beauty and art.Perfect for tweens aged 8–12, families, and teachers, Short & Curly is one of the best kids shows for curious minds.Combines storytelling, philosophy, and comedyPerfect for school listening, car trips, or family discussionsCreated by the ABC (Australian Broadcasting Corporation), trusted makers of award-winning children's contentBinge this free educational ABC kids podcast series on the ABC listen app (Australia) or wherever you get your podcasts worldwide

Apr 1, 2025 • 24min
Can you lie even when you don’t say anything?
The line between truth and deception can be blurry. Is leaving out important information a lie? What about misleading gestures, or half-truths? Babysitting Matt's kids force Molly and Carl to confront these complexities firsthand as they lie to get out of tricky situations.Summer Hill Public School: Dimitri, Mia, Teddy, Milla, Cleo, Marcus

Apr 1, 2025 • 22min
Shape shifters — When is something no longer itself?
Join Molly and Carl as they valiantly attempt a world record sailing around the globe on their boat, the Theseus. Faced with a constant need for boat repairs, they are forced to confront a perplexing question: how many changes can you make to something before it's no longer the same thing it started out as?South Wagga Public School: Noah, Lucas, Jasmine, Hunter, Olivia

Apr 1, 2025 • 22min
Do we need a rule book to be a good person?
Molly and Carl visit Greece in search of the mythical "Scroll of Rights and Wrongs", an ancient guide written by the smartest person to have ever lived: Adamantia The Wise*. The elusive ancient text contains the ultimate guide to morality, but what does it say?South Wagga Public School: Noah, Lucas, Jasmine, Hunter, Olivia*definitely not a real person and very much the invention of Molly & Carl.

Apr 1, 2025 • 24min
Three siblings, one musical instrument, who should get it?
Have you ever had a fight with your sibling over who should get to keep something? In a small village a long time ago, Queen Ethiconia had to settle a dispute between three siblings fighting over a musical instrument they all want and all think they deserve: a wooden recorder. Each says the recorder should be theirs, but for very different, compelling reasons. So, who should get the flute? You decide.South Wagga Public School: Noah, Lucas, Jasmine, Hunter, Olivia

Apr 1, 2025 • 22min
Matt's big news: How to give up something you love
As a kid, Matt, our resident ethicist, was always flat out. He juggled volunteering in the school veggie garden, playing sports, sibling duties, music practice, and chores around the house. After a while, it started to feel overwhelming, even though they were all important responsibilities that he cared about! But do humans try to do too much and is okay to just simply do nothing when there are so many important things the world needs? Summer Hill Public School: Dimitri, Mia, Teddy, Milla, Cleo, Marcus