
SUX - The Sustainable UX Podcast
Hello and welcome to SUX - The Sustainable UX Podcast, the podcast for designers, UX people and digital product builders who want to make an impact for a sustainable future. We are Bavo and Thorsten and we are two of the founding members of “SUX - The Sustainable UX Network”, a non-profit initiative and community, that drives sustainable and responsible UX based on the UN SDGs in various ways.
With the SUX Podcast we invite you to meet wonderful people from around the world and to get inspired by their way of trying to save the world through and within UX, Design and Tech.
Latest episodes

Dec 14, 2023 • 1h 8min
SUX EP 09 - Live: “Collaboration & cooperation as key for sustainability”
SUX Podcast Live Episode: this is a recording of the panel discussion about “Collaboration & cooperation as key for sustainability” at the SUX Focus Event 01
A few weeks ago we launched our new event series: SUX Focus Events. The main idea of focus events is to collect a group of experts to discuss and deep dive into a certain topic in a panel discussion.
In this first event we were spotlighting "Cooperation & Collaboration", a theme vital to sustainability and core to SUX Network's mission. And it led to a very inspiring and interesting conversation that we want to share with you here in the podcast.
Join the panel and follow the inspiring conversation Bavo and Thorsten had with:
Helle Martens - UX Research Consultant and Founder/Host of the UX Copenhagen Conference from Denmark
Akos Csertan - Impact-driven digital product design expert and Founder of Atlas, Rise! from Hungary
Laura Korčulanin - Regeneration Consultant and Founder of Give a Shit from Portugal
Robert Kozma - Emeritus Principal Scientist and Book Author of “Make the World a Better Place” from the US
And stay tuned: The next SUX Focus Event will take place in January/February 2024 and touch the topic “Sustainability and AI”.
Connect with our guest or us:
Helle’s Channels:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/helle-martens/
UX Copenhagen: 20./21. March 2024 https://uxcopenhagen.com/
Lauras Channels:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/laurakorculanin/
Sustainable UX/UI Design eBook: https://lp.ironhack.com/sustainable-ux-ui-design-ebook
Website “Give a Shit”: https://www.giveashitnow.org/
Akos Channels:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/csertanakos/
Website: https://atlasrise.io/
Roberts Channels:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/robert-kozma-ph-d-26b7278/
Website: https://www.design-a-better.world/
Book “Make the world a better place”: https://www.design-a-better.world/book-teaser
Our Channels:
Bavo's Linkedin
Thorsten's LinkedIn
Isabel's LinkedIn
SUX Slack Community
SUX LinkedIn
SUX Website
Email us at podcast@sustainableuxnetwork.com to share your feedback or suggest future guests.

Nov 1, 2023 • 1h 14min
SUX EP 08 - "World Usability Day and a Usability Revolution" with Elizabeth Rosenzweig
What has hiking in common with World Usability Day and Sustainability?
In this episode we were joined by Elizabeth Rosenzweig, the founder and director of the World Usability Day. We spoke about how World Usability Day started, why it has a strong relation with Sustainability from the very beginning and what its relation to World Earth Day is.
And why hiking? When you go hiking in the wilderness there is one important rule: leave no trace. The question is, how do we design to leave no trace, to cause no more harm?
We discussed how UX and design need to change and how some of our design paradigms need to change and how we can bring this topic to the UN. Further we spoke about why collaboration and cooperation is the topic for this years WUD and even more, why it is an important basis for sustainability.
We also discussed mental health as part of sustainability, the rough times for the design communities nowadays in terms of layoffs and how we can navigate through.
In the end we got down to the core: the problems of capitalism and narratives that are driven by business people only - but also what we could or should do to work towards more balance here.
And we came up with an idea for a global joint workshop of World Usability Day Initiative and the SUX Network we might do in the beginning of 2024. Stay tuned.
If you want to learn about how World Usability Day started and why it is strongly connected to Sustainability or how we could and should tackle the big challenges nowadays with and in design and why we need to get the UN involved, tune in to this episode of the SUX podcast.
Elizabeth’ Channels:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/elizabethrosenzweig/
Elizabeth’ Website: https://designresearchforgood.org/ and http://www.bubblemtn.com/
Elizabeth’ Book “Successful User Experience: Strategies and Roadmaps": https://shop.elsevier.com/books/successful-user-experience-strategies-and-roadmaps/rosenzweig/978-0-12-800985-7
Website World Usability Day: https://www.worldusabilityday.org/
Our Channels:
Bavo's Linkedin
Thorsten's LinkedIn
Isabel's LinkedIn
SUX Slack Community
SUX LinkedIn
SUX Website
Email us at podcast@sustainableuxnetwork.com to share your feedback or suggest future guests.

Oct 18, 2023 • 1h 3min
SUX EP 07 - "Cyborg-Centric Design" with Akos Csertan
How do we design for a world that is no longer a world shaped by humans but non-human agents like corporations or the capital in general? Human centered design was created for the Anthropocene, and therefore falls short on the challenges of a post-anthropocene world.
For this episode we met Akos Csertan from Budapest to discuss the challenges for design to solve the urgent problems of today as well as how design has to change to solve the problems of the future.
We talk about Akos Design Principles for a Post-Anthropocene world and his idea of cyborg centric design. Because we are so stuck to our smartphone - does not make this us all cyborgs already?
If you want to learn more about designing cyborg centric and hear why the children's book “Momo” from the 70s is the perfect metaphor for nowadays, tune in to this episode of the SUX podcast.
Connect with our guest or us:
Akos Channels:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/csertanakos/
Akos’ Website: https://atlasrise.io/
Akos’ talk at interaction 23: https://interaction23.ixda.org/sessions/design-for-the-capitalocene
Cyborg Centric Design: https://www.cyborgcentric.design/
Sources from the episode:
Book: “Momo” by Michael Ende
Book “Design as Politics” by Tony Fry
Book “What Things Do” by Peter-Paul Verbeek
Book “Hyperobjects” by Timothy Morton
Our Channels:
Bavo's Linkedin
Thorsten's LinkedIn
Isabel's LinkedIn
SUX Slack Community
SUX LinkedIn
SUX Website
Email us at podcast@sustainableuxnetwork.com to share your feedback or suggest future guests.

Sep 22, 2023 • 47min
SUX EP 06: "Make the World a better Place" with Robert Kozma
How do we design services, products or experiences that make the world a better place? Today’s guest is Robert Kozma, the author of “Make the world a better place - Design with passion, purpose and values” and Emeritus Principal Scientist at SRI International.
In a more and more complex world we need to adapt the way we design and refine our role as designers. A moral discourse needs to be added in our work. Design has its own problems and we need to shift the way of thinking and executing design. Robert discusses with us about the role of design in today's crisis times, about the power we have as designers and why everybody is or can be a designer.
If you want to hear more about how you can design for a better world and why Robert was wearing a John Malkovich mask recently, tune in to this latest episode of the SUX Podcast.
Please note: we had some very small and short audio issues at two points of the recording that we couldn’t fix. But no worries, they last only a few seconds.
Connect with our guest or us:
Roberts Channels:
LinkedIn
https://www.linkedin.com/in/robert-kozma-ph-d-26b7278/
Roberts Website:
https://www.design-a-better.world/
Roberts Book:
https://www.design-a-better.world/book-teaser
Sources from the episode:
Book “The Theory of Moral Sentiments” by Adam Smith
Project/Initiative: https://80000hours.org/
Our Channels:
Bavo's Linkedin
Thorsten's LinkedIn
Isabel's LinkedIn
SUX Slack Community
SUX LinkedIn
SUX Website
Email us at podcast@sustainableuxnetwork.com to share your feedback or suggest future guests.

Jul 11, 2023 • 1h 10min
SUX EP 05: "Women-Centric Design" with Mansi Gupta
Have you ever wondered about the relation of sustainability and gender-equality, why it is so important and how our work as designers connects with it?
In today's episode, we dive deep into the world of women-centric design—a powerful approach that takes into account the unique experiences and perspectives of women in the design process. And who better to enlighten us on this topic than today’s guest Mansi.
Mansi is a UX designer and an advocate for women-centric design. She firmly believes that by creating inclusive digital experiences tailored to women's needs, we can address social, economic, and environmental challenges head-on.
Get ready to embark on a journey that explores the power of design in creating positive change, as we uncover the incredible potential of women-centric design and its connection to the UN SDGs. It's time to reshape the future, one design at a time.
Sources from the episode:
Book "Invisible Women" by Caroline Criado Perez
Book "Mother of Invention" by Katrine Marcal
Connect with our guest or us:
Mansis Channels:
LinkedIn:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/mansigupta/
https://www.linkedin.com/company/unconform-studio/
Unconform Studio Website
https://www.unconformstudio.com/
Unconforming Newsletter
https://www.unconformstudio.com/sign-up
Our Channels:
Bavo's Linkedin
Thorsten's LinkedIn
Isabel's LinkedIn
SUX Slack Community
SUX LinkedIn
SUX Website
Email us at podcast@sustainableuxnetwork.com to share your feedback or suggest future guests.

May 16, 2023 • 1h 16min
SUX EP 04: "Endineering & Sustainability" with Joe Macleod
Did you know what the ending of a customer relationship has to do with Sustainability? No? Well, than this episode is perfect for you:
We had a very special and inspiring guest. The worlds first Endineer (yes, Endineer) Joe Macleod. Joe wrote two books about this topic and with his company AndEnd he works on how we design better endings of customer relationships.
We spoke about the importance of better endings of the customer relationship and its strong relation to sustainability.
It became a very deep and inspiring conversation, about endineering and sustainability and Joes personal way into the whole topic. If you want to learn how to become an Endineer and why you should become one to design more sustainability products, you should not miss this new episode of the SUX podcast.
In case you like what you hear, feel free to subscribe, follow and like our podcast. And if you haven't already done so, we invite you to join the SUX network as well.
Connect with our guest or us:
Joes Channels:
LinkedIn
https://www.linkedin.com/in/josephmacleod/
https://www.linkedin.com/company/andend/
AndEnd Website
http://www.andend.co/
Twitter
@mrmacleod
@andend_co
Instagram
@mrmacleod
@andend.co
Hash tags.
#Endineering
#DesignEnds
Sources from the episode:
Endineering cohort course 7. Starts Sept 12th.
https://learn.endineering.co/courses/Endineering-course-cohort-7-Starts-Sept-12th
A 25% off discount code for SUX audience.
CODE: 25offendscohort
More about the Endineering Cohort
https://www.andend.co/cohort
Endings For Businesses
https://www.andend.co/starting-your-end
Links to the books:
The Endineering book
https://www.amazon.com/dp/9163947846/
Ends book
https://www.amazon.com/dp/9163936445/
Links to E-Books. with 25% off:
https://www.smashwords.com/books/view/744267
Discount code: HA44R
https://www.smashwords.com/books/view/1116883
Discount code: GB56T
Our Channels:
Bavo's Linkedin
Thorsten's LinkedIn
Isabel's LinkedIn
SUX Slack Community
SUX LinkedIn
SUX Website
Email us at podcast@sustainableuxnetwork.com to share your feedback or suggest future guests.

Mar 8, 2023 • 13min
SUX EP 03: Kickoff 2023
We are back, after being a little quite for some time. Thorsten has been sick for a while, Bavo has been sick for a while and project-work kicked in as well. Sometimes being sustainable means also to be sustainable to yourself. You can only spend the time you have and sometimes there is not enough time for everything you want to do. So we had to postpone the start of the 2023 season for some weeks.
But her we are to kickoff 2023. And while we already do the first recordings with some wonderful new guests, we wanted to publish this intermezzo and talk a little bit about what is going on in the SUX Network as well as giving you some sneak peak about the upcoming guests.
So, have fun with with this little intermezzo and stay tuned for the next episode.
Connect with us or join the SUX Network:
Bavo's Linkedin
Thorsten's LinkedIn
Isabel's LinkedIn
SUX Slack Community
SUX LinkedIn
SUX Website
Email us at podcast@sustainableuxnetwork.com to share your feedback or suggest future guests.

Dec 19, 2022 • 1h 43min
SUX EP 02: „Ethics and Sustainability“ with Trine Falbe
For this episode we had the honor to welcome one of the icons of the ethical design movement: the inspiring Trine Falbe from Denmark, well known for her ongoing work for ethical design, for her books „White hat UX“ as well as „The Ethical Design Handbook“ and for her Ethical Design Network Community.
We talked about Trines way and why Ethical Design and Sustainability directly belong together. We dived deeper into the necessity of Ethical Design, its principles and how YOU can achieve ethical design in your daily work.
We touched so many interesting and so so important topics, that we we forgot a little bit about the time. So, it became a quite long episode and we might jump a little bit back and forth in topics. But every minute is worth to hear - we promise.
In case you like what you hear, feel free to subscribe, follow and like our podcast. And if you haven't already done so, we invite you to join the SUX network as well.
Connect with our guest or us:
Trine’s LinkedIn
Bavo's Linkedin
Thorsten's LinkedIn
Isabel's LinkedIn
SUX Slack Community
SUX LinkedIn
SUX Website
Email us at podcast@sustainableuxnetwork.com to share your feedback or suggest future guests.
Sources from the episode:
Trines Website
Trines Ethical Design Masterclass
Community: Ethical Design Network
Trines Book: Ethical Design Handbook
Trines Book: White Hat UX
The Pre:Sprint
Trines Startup simpleUX
Conference JSHeros 2023

Nov 6, 2022 • 1h 6min
SUX EP 01: “Back to the beginning” with Tim Frick
Together with Tim Frick, one of the icons of digital design sustainability, we talk about the beginnings of Sustainable UX, where we are today and where the future could take us.
Tim tells us where his passion for sustainable design comes from. We discuss the importance of impact measurement and what he would change if he could write his book "Designing for Sustainability" again today.
He also shares his years of experience with his BCorp certified agency, Mighty Bites, on how to win over clients and how YOU can make a difference, whether you are a junior or a senior.
Feel free to subscribe, follow and like our podcast. And if you haven't already done so, we invite you to join the SUX network.
Connect with our guest or us:
Tim's LinkedIn
Bavo's Linkedin
Thorsten's LinkedIn
Isabel's LinkedIn
SUX Slack Community
SUX LinkedIn
SUX Website
Email us at podcast@sustainableuxnetwork.com to share your feedback or suggest future guests.
Sources from the episode:
W3C Community Group for Sustainable Web Design “sustyweb”
Tim's book "Designing for Sustainability"
Tim's agency Mightybites
Mightybites Blog
The 2022 Web Almanac’s chapter on Sustainability by HTTP Archive
Leah Thomas’ book “the Intersectional Environmentalist”

Nov 2, 2022 • 1min
SUX - Teaser
Welcome to the SUX podcast!
Strap in for a wild ride of insights and mind-blown experiences as we hear from people passionate about sustainable UX and how they make impact. We’ll dive in with experts and discover along with people just breaking into the field.
Thank you for being here with us as we make this a podcast by and for the sustainable UX community.
Bavo & Thorsten