
The Promised Land
On October 7, 2023, the world was shaken. What began as a day of unimaginable violence against Israel has since unfolded into a struggle that impacts far more than the Middle East. The Promised Land Podcast brings you bi-weekly episodes featuring world-class experts and high-profile guests, as we navigate the far-reaching consequences of this war - exploring its effects on global geopolitics, Western society, and Canada's role in these difficult times. Through thoughtful analysis and compelling conversations, we aim to uncover the complex layers of this conflict and its implications for the future.
Latest episodes

Dec 5, 2024 • 35min
Israel's multi-front war: The physical, legal, and narrative battleground
On November 18, the Macdonald-Laurier Institute hosted Arsen Ostrovsky for a compelling discussion on Israel's conflicts with Hamas, Hezbollah, and Iran, exploring the broader implications for Canada and global stability. In this episode, we’d like to share that discussion with you. Arsen Ostrovsky is a distinguished expert in international law and human rights, and the CEO of the International Legal Forum: a global network combating extremism, terror, and antisemitism. His work has taken him to the United Nations, the U.S. Congress, the British Parliament, and beyond, where he’s been at the forefront of advocating for justice in the face of rising global tensions. In this episode, Arsen delivers a comprehensive analysis of the multi-front war Israel faces spanning physical, legal, and narrative battlegrounds. Interviewing him is the Macdonald Laurier Institute’s Senior Fellow Casey Babb, whose rich background in terrorism and international security ensures an incisive and thought-provoking discussion. Together, they explore the legal, ethical, and geopolitical dimensions of Israel’s ongoing struggle against terror and extremism, and the broader implications it carries for both Canada and the global community.

Nov 21, 2024 • 45min
Hostages, Tunnels, and Urban Combat: Israel’s Fight Against Hamas and Hezbollah
In this episode, MLI Senior Fellow Casey Babb interviews Urban Warfare expert John Spencer on Israel's complex battle against Hamas in Gaza and Hezbollah in Lebanon. Spencer outlines Hamas' guerrilla tactics, embedded within dense civilian areas where people ae used as human shields and which complicate hostage rescue efforts for Israel. The conversation highlights Israel’s precision airstrikes targeting Hezbollah’s military leadership, and its ground operations protecting the northern border. Spencer sheds light on the changing nature of modern warfare, Israel's humanitarian challenges and the difficulty of countering international criticism. A compelling look at the demands of urban warfare in the Middle East.

Nov 14, 2024 • 36min
The Prelude to Genocide: Antisemitism, Memory and Moral Urgency in Canada
In this powerful episode of The Promised Land, host Dagny Pawlak speaks with Éloge Butera, a survivor of the Tutsi genocide in Rwanda and a member of the Jewish community, about the rising tide of antisemitism in Canada. Drawing from his unique perspective, Butera reflects on the dangerous parallels between the rhetoric surrounding Jews today and the language used in the lead-up to historical genocides, including his own traumatic experience in Rwanda. As incidents of hate and violence against Jews increase, Butera discusses the critical role of media, political narratives, and international organizations in either curbing or exacerbating these dangers. With the rise of anti-Zionism, especially following the October 7 attacks, Butera warns of the long-term consequences of ignoring or downplaying these ideologies, urging the world to recognize the destructive potential before it’s too late. This episode offers a sobering look at how unchecked hate can escalate and the urgent need for action to defend Jewish communities worldwide.

Nov 7, 2024 • 27min
Defeating Ideology in the Israel Gaza War
In this episode, MLI Senior Fellow Casey Babb speaks with Einat Wilf, an expert in Middle Eastern affairs, about the ideological underpinnings driving conflicts in Israel and the region. They discuss how Israel's recent period of perceived safety masked growing threats, highlighting the need to counteract ideologies like Palestinianism and Hezbollah's influence. Wilf argues for a comprehensive approach beyond military action, advocating for the global recognition of these ideologies' dangers. The conversation also touches on the psychological impact of hostages, the challenges Israel faces in defending itself internationally, and the urgent need for strategic and diplomatic measures.

Oct 15, 2024 • 41min
Beyond Borders: How the Middle East Conflict Resonates in Canada's Jewish Communities
In this episode of the Promised Land Podcast, MLI Senior Fellow Casey Babb sits down with Ambassador Immo Moed to discuss how the escalating conflict in the Middle East, particularly in Israel, is reverberating through Canadian society. Ambassador Moed sheds light on the challenges facing Jewish communities in Canada as they confront rising tensions and antisemitism. With insightful analysis, we explore how global events are shaping local communities, influencing public discourse, and impacting Canadian values. Join us for a thoughtful conversation on the intersection of international conflict and its profound effects on our society at home.