
Curious Minds at Work
Want to get better at work? At managing others? Managing yourself? Gayle Allen interviews experts who take your performance to the next level. Each episode features a book with insights to help you achieve your goals.
Latest episodes

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May 20, 2018 • 41min
CM 105: Tali Sharot On How To Change Someone’s Mind
Neuroscientist Tali Sharot discusses how to change minds without facts. She explores confirmation bias, seeking like-minded opinions, and how expertise influences belief acceptance. Starting with common ground can lead to successful persuasion by creating a sense of similarity and understanding others' perspectives.

May 6, 2018 • 31min
CM 104: Janice Kaplan on Making Your Own Luck
We all know people who seem especially lucky or, in some cases, unlucky.
Janice Kaplan wondered whether this was due to random chance or luck overlooked, so she co-authored the book, How Luck Happens: Using the Science of Luck to Transform Work, Love, and Life. In writing the book, she learned how we can tilt the scales in our favor, even in cases where the odds are long.
Janice is the former editor in chief of Parade magazine and author of 13 popular books, including the New York Times bestseller, The Gratitude Diaries.
In this interview we discuss:
How there are aspects of luck within our control
How a winning combination of talent, hard work, and knowing your goals can increase your luck
How optimism and a belief in making our own luck makes good things happen
Why an optimistic mindset ensures we will apply the effort it takes to make our own luck
Why we need to toggle between focused and wide-ranging attention to see events as opportunities
What it means to choose the statistic we want to be
How we can put ourselves in a position where luck can find us
The fact that our weak ties have a greater chance of helping us achieve our goals
Why we may need to zig versus zag or try out a different lane to be successful
How revisiting what we thought of as dead ends can help us see new possibilities
Why goals and knowing what we want are paramount to making our own luck
How lucky breaks can actually be small events that make a big difference if we know how to take full advantage of them
Why it can be helpful to navigate life with a compass, rather than a map
The key role curiosity plays in helping us do things differently in order to make a lucky moment out of something that does not seem that way at first
Episode Links
Barnaby Marsh
Martin Seligman
Doug Rauch
Lara Galinsky
Mike Darnell
American Idol
Steven Strogatz
Six degrees of separation
Joi Ito
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Apr 22, 2018 • 39min
CM 103: Daniel Coyle on How to Build Amazing Teams
How do we build remarkable teams, the kind that are more than the sum of their parts? Daniel Coyle answers that question in his latest book, The Culture Code: The Secrets of Highly Successful Groups.
After talking to some of the greatest teams, such as the Navy Seals, IDEO, the San Antonio Spurs, and Pixar, Dan found a replicable pattern of three behaviors shared by these dynamic cultures. They each actively work to (1) Build Safety, (2) Share Vulnerability and (3) Establish Purpose. Dan shares how our teams can do this, too.
Dan is also the author of The Talent Code, The Little Book of Talent, The Secret Race, and Hardball: A Season in the Projects. In this interview we discuss:
Why certain groups add up to way more than the sum of their parts
What kindergartners can teach us about group performance
How status management undermines group performance
How culture is something we do, not something we are
Why culture is about moving together toward a common goal
The three key skills of group performance - vulnerability, safety, and purpose
How bad apples chip away at psychological safety and derail groups
Why we need to be intolerant of brilliant jerks
The outsized impact of warmth as a counter to negativity
Key indicators of high-performing groups, like rapid speech, light physical touch, laughter, and high energy, which indicated safety and connection
The incredible value of collective intelligence in groups as they share information, problem solve, and connect the dots
Why belonging cues are so powerful for group performance
How great coaches, like Gregg Popovich, exude curiosity and care for their teams
The role emotional control can play in supporting team members
How Navy Seals use the vulnerability loop to amplify team safety and boost performance
How an after-action review - a discussion of what went right, what went wrong, and what will happen next time -- helps teams improve performance
The value of warm candor - telling a hard truth but emphasizing connection - over brutal honesty
Why cheesy catch phrases can be stronger indicators of group performance than we might think
Why we should focus on the first five seconds when we interact with someone for the first time, especially when it comes to our energy level, eye contact, facial expressions, and engagement
How asking our team members about one thing we should keep on doing and one thing we should stop doing can help us get better at what we do
Episode Links
Navy Seals
IDEO
San Antonio Spurs
Gregg Popovich
Pixar
Peter Skillman
Alexander Pentland
Sociometer
Collective intelligence
The Captain Class by Sam Walker
Draper Kauffman
Gramercy Tavern
Danny Meyer
Laszlo Bock
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Apr 8, 2018 • 39min
CM 102: Morten Hansen On Working Smarter
What sets top workplace performers apart?
To answer this question, Morten Hansen, Professor at University of California, Berkeley, studied over 5,000 U.S. corporate employees for his book, Great at Work: How Top Performers Do Less, Work Better, and Achieve More. Through his research, he found that top performers engage in 7 key practices that explain 66 percent of the differences in their level of performance.
Co-author with Jim Collins of the highly acclaimed book, Great by Choice, Morten is also the author of the book, Collaboration, and he has been ranked one of the most influential global management thinkers by Thinkers50.
In this interview we discuss:
Why working longer hours is not enough to achieve high levels of performance
How seven work-smart practices can explain 66 percent of the differences between top performers and their peers
Why we need to do less and then obsess to produce exceptional work
How an obsession with sled dogs led one explorer to reach the South Pole before his highly competitive and well-resourced peer
Why Jiro, the famous sushi maker, is one of the best examples of someone who does less and obsesses his way to a Michelin star
The key question employees need to ask their bosses in order to do less and obsess: which of these projects is of the highest priority for achieving our goals?
How a lack of prioritization can be the linchpin to doing less and obsessing over it to provide key value
How a high school principal architected a work redesign that epitomizes what it means to start with delivering value and then determining goals
The value of redesigning our work without spending more or adding staff
Why our goals should emerge from the value we seek to deliver
How focus on fewer work projects allows you to ask deeper questions and provide more value
Why a focus on passion and purpose allows us to contribute more than passion alone
The fact that the goal of collaboration is better performance, not better collaboration
Why we need to avoid over collaborating and under collaborating and, instead, focus on disciplined collaboration to achieve our goals
How small changes can help us achieve big results, especially when it comes to focusing more, saying no to some things, setting better priorities, and collaborating more strategically
Episode Links
Robert Falcon Scott
Roald Amundsen
Jiro Dreams of Sushi
Psyched Up by Dan McGinn
A Flipped School and Greg Green
Hartman Goertz and Tangier Terminal
Berkeley Executive Education
Genevieve Guay
Curious George
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Mar 25, 2018 • 31min
CM 101: Idan Ravin on Rethinking Performance
Sometimes an outsider can offer a game-changing take on a tried-and-true process. When it comes to performance, that person is Idan Ravin, author of the bestselling book, The Hoops Whisperer: On the Courts and Inside the Heads of Basketball's Best Players.
Over the course of his career, Idan has worked with athletes like Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Kevin Durant, and Steph Curry. Though he never played for or coached a professional basketball team, his outsider status coupled with his passion for learning and performance science, have made him a one-of-a-kind teacher.
In this interview we discuss:
How some of the most impactful teachers can come from unexpected places
How his outsider status and commitment to self-teaching made him the incredible teacher he is today
Why teaching young people served him well in teaching professional basketball players
The importance of seeing people for who they can be vs who they are not
Why seeing what others never notice in performance is akin to the approach a plastic surgeon takes
How high performing athletes can lose their love of the game and why Idan works so hard to recapture it
Why he combines high intensity with sensory overload approaches to improve performance
Why learning requires the comfort of safe spaces where we can make mistakes
Why learning also requires the discomfort that comes with stretching ourselves to gain new skills
The humility and modesty that comes with being vulnerable in our learning
How rewiring our brains takes time, can be incremental, and is often far from linear
Why he wants to redefine the word selfish to include reaching for something because you have earned it through self-reliance and responsibility
Why the best teachers help us gain the skills we need and then support us in ways we express them
Why he believes dreams are a luxury while faith is something you can control and act on
The meaningful exchange that can take place when we teach and learn from those we teach
The importance of taking action to achieve our goals
How some of the most credentialed and strongly affiliated individuals can also be the least knowledgeable when it comes to learning and performance
Episode Links
Carmelo Anthony
New York Knicks
Nike commercial
Peak by Anders Ericsson
Adam Levine
The Voice
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Mar 11, 2018 • 33min
CM 100: Jeff Haden on How to Get Motivated
Many of us view motivation as the spark we need to achieve our goals. But Jeff Haden, author of The Motivation Myth: How High Achievers Really Set Themselves Up to Win, explains that it is actually the reverse.
To feel motivated, we actually need to take action, that is, to complete at least one small task toward our goal. That is because accomplishing an initial task causes our brains to release dopamine, the reward and pleasure chemical. The good feeling we get when we do this can spur us on to accomplish more.
And who better to talk about using motivation to achieve lots of goals than Jeff Haden, the most popular columnist for Inc.com and one of most widely followed influencers for LinkedIn. Jeff is also the author or co-author of 50 nonfiction books, and his work has also appeared in Time, Fast Company, Business Insider, and Entrepreneur.
In this interview we discuss:
Why motivation is not something you get but something you create
How accomplishing tasks associated with your goal can create a virtuous flywheel of motivation, achievement, and happiness
Why successful people set a goal and then forget it
How focusing on big goals can overwhelm and even defeat us and what we should do instead
When we focus on accomplishing the daily tasks associated with our larger goal, we maintain motivation and feel happier
Why serial achievers are happier and experience less regret and why we should all aim to be them
Why, for most of us, choosing that one thing we might want to do for 40 years is unrealistic
Why we need pros rather than coaches to achieve new, challenging goals
How pros can pave the way and prevent us from reinventing the wheel
The fact that pros hold the key to our success as they have done the thing we most want to do
To gain willpower, we need less willpower, provided we structure our environment in ways that reduce our options
How maximizing our edge time can help us achieve more
The fact that doing what others around us are doing will only get us what they have gotten -- we need to work harder and smarter to achieve something different
How successful people work on big goals serially, rather than concurrently
How paying attention to the details and making small changes can improve our performance
Why the proud feelings you have in accomplishing hard things creates momentum to achieve more
How taking productive, rather than relaxing, break can help you achieve
What success means to Jeff -- and it has nothing to do with cars or houses or stuff
Episode Links
Venus Williams
Jerry Seinfeld
Tony Robbins
Friday Night Lights
Not Impossible by Mick Ebeling
Choice architecture
Jim Whitehurst and RedHat
David Brailsford
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Feb 25, 2018 • 32min
CM 099: Sean Young on the Science of Changing Your Life
What is the secret to changing our habits?
Too often, we are led to believe that we need to study successful people and then use our willpower to act like they do. But UCLA Medical School Professor, Sean Young, reveals that this approach mainly leads to failure. Instead, Young and his colleagues point us to seven forces that succeed in creating lasting change.
Sean is the author of the book, Stick with It: A Scientifically Proven Process for Changing Your Life - for Good. He is a Professor at UCLA Medical School, and Founder and Executive Director of the UCLA Center for Digital Behavior and the UC Institute for Prediction Technology. His work has been featured in the New York Times, the Washington Post, Science, and CNN.
In this interview we discuss:
Why we need to shift from self-blame to a thoughtful process for change
How education alone is not enough to change behavior
The ABCs of behavior -- automatic, burning, and common
The seven tools Sean discusses to support behavior change - stepladders, community, important, easy, neurohacks, captivating, ingrained
Just how powerful stepladders or very small steps can be in changing unwanted behaviors or habits
The importance of creating the right-size steps to stay on track in reaching our goals
How success with small steps increases our self-confidence to help us stick with it
The fact that community -- the influence key others have on us -- can help us change behavior
How purposefully structured online, peer-driven communities can help drive behavior change
Why quick mental shortcuts or neurohacks can change our brains to help us change our behavior
How taking action helps us see ourselves as someone who engages in the behavior we want to have
Why it is important to pair the type of behavior with the right tool, like stepladders with common behaviors
Why one of the most game-changing tools is making it easy to engage in behavior changes
Episode Links
seanyoungphd.com
@seanyoungphd
Michelle Segar, author of No Sweat
Richard E. Petty
Yo app
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Feb 11, 2018 • 40min
CM 098: Jon Kolko on Igniting Creativity in Organizations
What if you are creative, but your organization is not?
Many of us have worked in places that have tried to adopt more creative practices, and we know that it doesn’t always produce the desired results. In fact, if we introduce creativity, it can even seem to backfire.
But Jon Kolko has devised a formula for injecting creativity into resistant organizations. Author of the book, Creative Clarity: A Practical Guide for Bringing Creative Thinking Into Your Company, Jon is a Partner at Modernist Studio and Founder of Austin Center for Design. He served as VP of Design at Blackboard, has worked extensively with both startups and Fortune 500 companies, and has written four additional books on design.
Jon shares insights for achieving creativity and innovation in even the most resistant organizations. In this interview we discuss:
Why attempts at introducing creativity into organizations can make things worse
The role framing plays in the creative process and how it helps with innovation
How leading with a creative strategy changes can yield more innovative solutions
Why summary problem statements are so important
How to push through complexity to arrive at simplicity
Why creative people work best a flow state of uninterrupted blocks of time
Why embracing a creative culture means embracing uncertainty
The role of feedback in a special kind of meeting called a critique
The two reactions to avoid when receiving feedback
How creative approaches differ in small versus large organizations
The three types of ownership of ideas
The one skill that every instructor needs to teach students in creative fields
What mentors are invaluable
Why teaching design thinking is inseparable from teaching of design
Episode Links
Jon Kolko
Creative Clarity
Frog Design
Ideo
Flow
The Swoop and Poop
Design Thinking
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Jan 28, 2018 • 43min
CM 097: Sam Walker on Creating Outstanding Teams
Do you have the seven qualities of a great leader?
As the former sports editor of the Wall Street Journal, Sam Walker chronicled the exploits of some of the most remarkable teams ever assembled. Fascinated by their success, he spent over a decade researching which teams performed best and how they did it.
Sam lays out his findings in his latest book, The Captain Class: The Hidden Force that Creates the World’s Greatest Teams. Initially, he expected to find a magical combination of factors such as exceptional skill, brilliant coaching and remarkable strategy. Instead, he discovered something completely different: the 16 teams with the longest winning streaks across 37 elite sports succeeded because of a single player -- the captain of the team. These captains were not only not the best player, but also possessed all or most of seven characteristics rarely associated with great leaders.
Sam is currently deputy editor of the Wall Street Journal, where he worked as a reporter, columnist, and sports editor. He is also author of a previous book, Fantasyland.
In this interview we discuss:
How talent, coaching, money and strategy rarely result in teams stringing together years of consecutive greatness
Why a single player, the captain of the team, is the key to the enduring success of outstanding teams
Why most captains were appointed by the coach, not selected by the players
What the analogies are for this coach-captain in the workplace
How these captains excel in seven ways:
they are relentless
they are aggressive
They are willing to do thankless jobs
they shy away from the limelight
they excel at quiet communication
they are difficult to manage
they have excellent resilience and emotional control
The secrets of success of players like basketball great Tim Duncan
Why all of the little things on a team must get done
Why Pele, possibly the greatest soccer player of all time, was never a captain
Why none of these captains were inspiring speech makers
What maps of team interaction reveal about captain communication
Why shared cognition is such an important part of team communication
Why superstars can sometimes decrease great team performance
Why sacrifice for the collective good of the team is so important to winning
How we should look for the least likely candidates when searching for group leaders
Why we should not mistake the ability to take praise as a sign of a great leader
Why criticizing others is a right we earn and how to earn it
Why elite leaders are often boring
Episode Links
Sam Walker
The Captain Class: The Hidden Force that Creates the World’s Greatest Teams
Fantasyland
Barcelona
Cuban Women’s Volleyball Team
Boston Celtics
San Antonio Spurs
The Pittsburgh Steeler
Tim Duncan
Richard Hackman
Brazil’s National Football Team
Pele
Carlos Alberto
Hilderaldo Bellini
Yogi Berra
Sandy Pentland
Charismatic Connectors
Shared Cognition
French National Handball Team
Jerome Fernandez
Richard Davidson
Maurice Rashad
Montreal Canadiens
Richie McCaw
Carla Overbeck
United States Women's National Soccer Team
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Jan 14, 2018 • 38min
CM 096: Olivia Cabane and Judah Pollack on Breakthrough Thinking
Breakthroughs can take our work to new and exciting places, yet they rarely happen as often as we’d like. Are there ways to prompt these kinds of moments, so we can create them more often?
Olivia Fox Cabane and Judah Pollack tell us how in their book, The Net and the Butterfly: The Art and Practice of Breakthrough Thinking.
Olivia is the former Director of Innovative Leadership for Stanford StartX and bestselling author of The Charisma Myth. She has worked with companies like, Google, MGM, and Deloitte, and she has lectured at Harvard, MIT, and Yale.
Judah Pollack is a former faculty member at Stanford StartX and a lecturer at University of California, Berkeley Haas School of Business. He has worked with organizations like Airbnb, IDEO, and the U.S. Army Special Forces.
In this interview we discuss:
How breakthrough thinking requires two systems in the brain: the Executive Network (the net) and the Default Network (the butterfly)
How we need off-task time in order for the Default Network to engage and create breakthroughs
The 4 types of breakthroughs: Eureka, Metaphor, Intuitive and Paradigm
How Eureka Breakthroughs are sudden insights that are fully formed, when everything seems to fall into place
That we are predisposed to certain kinds of breakthroughs and how it helps to honor our natural style
That no one style of breakthrough is any better than another
How Metaphorical breakthroughs help us see topics in new ways
How Intuitive breakthroughs seem like just the beginning and less easy to trust, requiring us to have faith in the process
How Steve Jobs had an intuitive breakthrough that the iPhone needed to be made of glass
That our brains our physical objects that need to build new neurotransmitter receptors in order to construct new knowledge
How our practice with exploring new experiences in the brain affects our ability to make breakthroughs
How surfing the net for new things or watching new movies can help with building the brain plasticity that helps to make breakthroughs
How curiosity enlivens brain plasticity
How fear negativity affects the Default Network and works against us having breakthroughs
Why our best ideas may come to us in the shower
How our inhibitions can cause us to feel like imposters or make us overly critical, either of which can hinder breakthrough thinking
How the placebo effect can be used to our advantage
Ways we can practice failure in order to normalize our feelings about it
Three supertools that can help us achieve breakthroughs
How the journey toward topic mastery create preconditions for breakthroughs
How implementing these practices can affect us down to the gene level
How to find the balance between our fast-paced, hyper-focused work world and the slower, more diffused approach needed for breakthrough thinking
Links to Episode Topics
Olivia Fox Cabane
Judah Pollack
The Net and the Butterfly: The Art and Practice of Breakthrough Thinking
The Charisma Myth
Stanford StartX
University of California Berkeley
The Executive Mode Network of the brain
The Default Mode Network of the brain
The Arab Spring
The Revolutions of 1848
Occupy Wall Street
Steve Jobs
Think Wrong
Neuroplasticity
Impostor Syndrome
Inner Critic
Placebo Effect
Meditation
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