

The Financial Independence Show
Cody Berman and Justin Taylor
Cody Berman and Justin Taylor believe in the concept of “Financial Independence For All”. The Financial Independence Show focuses on REAL stories of individuals on their journey to financial independence. Each episode aims to include actionable insights and takeaways for listeners to implement into their own financial situation. The podcast covers topics like building wealth, entrepreneurship, investing, money mindset, small business, frugality, geoarbitrage, side hustles, real estate, productivity, travel, and so much more. Sit back, tune in, and join a community of like-minded people who are changing their lives through financial independence.
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Nov 15, 2023 • 52min
Multimillionaire in 4 Years with This Strategy | Jaren Sustar
Many people feel like a lack of capital and insider information for good deals is keeping them from starting their real estate journey.
But what if you could just use someone else's money?
And what if you could find deals directly on the MLS?
Jaren, aka Finance Cowboy, is doing just that.
He's not trying to implement any complex strategies.
Jaren is finding deals on the MLS that need to be rehabbed, forcing appreciation, refinancing to get his money out, and moving on to the next property.
This is commonly referred to as the BRRRR strategy.
Buy
Rehab
Rent
Refinance
Repeat
Another cool thing about Jaren's story is that he actually still has his W-2.
Even though he's a multi-millionaire and could live off rental income, he's got a great gig and doesn't plan on leaving.
All too often W-2 employment gets looked down on in the personal finance community.
The reality is that W-2 does come with its benefits (health insurance, 401k, steady pay, etc).
Jaren has taken a career in sales and combined it with an impressive real estate portfolio to design a life that's perfect for him.
We always love to bring you a realistic story that's repeatable, and Jaren embodies that perfectly.
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Finance Cowboy Instagram
Finance Cowboy Twitter
Jaren's YouTube
Jaren's Podcast
YouTube Interview
https://youtu.be/4348MylLS9s
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Nov 8, 2023 • 43min
Financial Freedom Through Blackjack (Replay) | Colin Jones
Today, we're re-airing a fan favorite from 2019.
Colin Jones was a substitute math teacher and a friend had given him a book on card counting.
Once the friend was making $80/hr, Colin decided he should give it a try.
To get started, he took $2k of the $6k that he and his wife had saved up.
Eventually, after hundreds of hours and study and play, Colin was making $430/hr.
And his team was regularly making $500k+ in a year.
Now, he's more focused on teaching others the skill of card counting.
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Listen and read below to hear this incredible story.
Links from the Episode
Colin's Website: Blackjack Apprenticeship
Colin's Book: The 21st Century Card Counter
A snippet from the mentioned documentary
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Nov 1, 2023 • 25min
He Bought a House for $5,000
Real estate prices are out of control... right?
In today's episode, you'll hear how Justin bought a house for just $5,000.
No, that's not a typo, $5K!
The craziest thing is that the place is in decent condition:
Single level
Concrete foundation
Simplest roof possible
No interior water damage
This house is a big project, but Justin estimates he can finish everything for under $25,000.
After running the numbers, this property should blow the 1% rule out of the water.
Justin is expecting to rent from anywhere between $700-$850 depending on how nice he ends up making it and how it's rented.
We'll definitely be sharing updates about this one-of-a-kind property in future podcasts.
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Oct 25, 2023 • 46min
Frugal vs. Cheap (Replay) | Jen Smith
Today, we're re-airing a popular episode from 2019 on frugal vs. cheap with Jen Smith, co-host of the Frugal Friends Podcast.
In the beginning, Jen and her husband find themselves in $78k of total debt.
They didn’t have a ton of income, so Jen tried to add on three side hustles on top of her job.
This stressed her out so much that she ended up with shingles.
In totality, between all their work and side hustles, they were bringing in up to $88k.
Their original goal was to be debt-free in 5 years...
But in the end, it turned out to only take 23 months!
In this episode, we also cover:
How to be frugal "the right way"
Frugality without deprivation
Frugal vs. Cheap
Enjoying the FI journey
and so much more.
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Links from the Episode
Jen's Podcast
Jen's Blog
Jen'snstagram
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Oct 18, 2023 • 56min
Growing the Gap (Replay) | Paula Pant
Today, we're re-airing one of our most popular episodes from early 2019.
Paula Pant is always conducting great interviews herself but today she’s the one answering questions.
She walks us through her amazing story of only three traditional years of employment, traveling the world, and the steps she took to secure her financial independence.
There is something for everyone in this episode.
You’ve got philosophy, entrepreneurship, freelancing, and even some great real estate tips.
This discussion also gets into focusing also on increasing income and not just being consumed by minimizing expenses.
Paula calls this “The gap” or the delta between your earnings and expenses.
Paula graduated college in 2005 and started at a newspaper making $25k per year.
She worked there 3 years topping out at $31k per year.
On the side, she was freelancing and earned an additional $25k on the side in a travel fund
She then quit her job and left her lease in 2008.
Paula backpacked around Egypt, Cambodia, and other countries on a budget of $1k per month and then returned to go full-time freelancing.
She began taking her excess income and investing in real estate.
In this episode, we also discuss how more of the focus in the financial independence space should be on the income side of the equation vs the spending part of the equation.
This led us to the discussion of “The Gap” or the difference between earning and spending not necessarily just one side of the equation.
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Links from the Episode
Paula's Instagram
Paula's Twitter
Paula's Website
Paula's Free Ebook
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Oct 11, 2023 • 55min
Co-Living, Martial Arts, and Early Entrepreneurship | Sam Wegert
Can you imagine owning a full-fledged brick-and-mortar business at age 15?
That's exactly the position Sam Wegert found himself in.
Sam was homeschooled with his seven siblings which allowed them to all focus on what they were best at.
At 15 years old, with a loan of $15,000 from his parents, he purchased his first martial arts school and graduated high school that same year.
Over the next 15 years, he expanded to 6 brick and mortar locations and through COVID built an online program.
His company, UpLevel Martial Arts has grown to over 1,500 students and has trained more than 20,000 students in martial art.
Those schools generate over $200,000/month in sales.
As he built his martial arts empire, he also partnered with his wife to jump into real estate, specifically a strategy called co-living.
Together they now manage over 200 doors generating over 100,000/month in gross rental income.
Co-living is when you focus on renting by the room and increasing the number of rooms in a given home while providing common area amenities.
There are marketplaces that help you find investment opportunities or rooms to rent yourself.
Sam became financially independent at age 23 and has built a 7-figure business that's almost completely passive.
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Links From the Episode
Sam's Co-Living Challenge
Sam's Instagram
Sam's TikTok
Sam's Website
PadSplit (Co-living Marketplace)
YouTube Interview
https://youtu.be/I2WDtiAD2iA
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Oct 4, 2023 • 48min
How This Mailman Retired at 27 (Replay) | Jimmy Ridenhour
In today’s episode, Cody and Justin bring you back to one of our favorite episodes ever!
This is the story of Jimmy Ridenhour who, unlike most of our guests, has no blog, book, or podcast. This was actually Jimmy's first interview ever.
That doesn’t mean his story isn’t remarkable.
Jimmy’s story starts out with a very tragic start that involves murder and family turmoil but he amazingly finds his way to success and has an unmatched amount of positive vibes when you meet him in person.
After that tragic start, Jimmy landed on his feet (literally) as a mailman at age 18.
While most people his age were racking up college debt, he was bringing in upwards of $80k a year while he put in 70+ hour weeks.
This allowed him to purchase his first home for $125k and have it paid off at age 23.
At age 27, Jimmy had five properties which generated enough cash flow for him to live on.
His expenses were only $1,300 per month so he had an extreme amount of flexibility for his future.
Jimmy's #1 tip is to just get started because you’ll learn so much from the first house.
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Sep 27, 2023 • 57min
The Small and Mighty Real Estate Investor | Chad Carson
The goal for real estate is to generate as much cash flow as possible and/or own as many doors as possible right?
What if you realized the real goal is just to generate enough income to satisfy your desired lifestyle?
That may seem obvious, but too often investors fixate on a high score instead of focusing on happiness.
Coach Carson has previously joined us on the very first episode of The Financial Independence Show.
In that episode, we cover Chad's background in detail but today we focus on the topic of his new book.
That topic is the concept of the Small and Mighty real estate investor.
The root of this concept is focusing on achieving the least number of doors needed to cover your lifestyle.
Chad explains how chasing the least needed is much healthier than chasing the most possible.
More properties equate to more headaches, and why have stress if you've already won?
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Book: Small and Mighty Real Estate Investor
Chad's Website
Chad's Instagram
Chad's Twitter
Chad's Free Tools
YouTube Interview
https://youtu.be/U85lcE_ibS0
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Sep 20, 2023 • 21min
ETFs vs. Index Funds, Expense Ratios, and Investing Terms
Sometimes personal finance can just sound like a bunch of jargon.
Today's episode gives you all the foundational definitions you need to navigate your FI journey.
We have episodes that dive deeper into some of these topics (linked below).
But today is all about explaining the lingo you might hear on the show week to week.
Some of the investing terms we discuss include:
ETFs vs. Index Funds
Expense Ratios
The 4% Rule / Rule of 25
Rule of 72
Tax-advantaged accounts
IRAs / 401Ks
We hope this empowers you to confidently speak to your investing journey and help others along the way.
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Links from the Episode
The deep-dive episode on Roth vs. Traditional
The deep-dive episode on the 4% rule
The deep-dive episode on the Mega Backdoor Roth and Solo 401K
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Sep 13, 2023 • 54min
Working 6 Months & Making 7 Figures | Jon Farber
Can you really retire at 27?
That's what Jon Farber is here to talk us through today.
He was able to achieve financial freedom at 27 and leave his tech sales job via real estate.
He started with house hacking, and then eventually scaled up to include a portfolio of long-term rentals and short-term rentals.
He's also dabbled in online courses and runs a real estate software business helping people find deals.
Since reaching financial freedom, Jon now splits his time between the U.S. and Columbia.
He has a team of virtual assistants who currently help with the day-to-day and growing of the business.
He's basically been able to put his 7-figure business empire on autopilot.
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Jon's Instagram
Jon's Twitter
Jon's Website
YouTube Interview
https://youtu.be/HRkppxCstdw
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