
Night Owls
Joe Klein and John Ellis on what's happening and what happens next. Joe Klein is the author of seven books and "Sanity Clause," a Substack newsletter. John Ellis is the founder and editor of two Substack newsletters — News Items and Political News Items. The two friends have covered American politics for a combined 95 years.
Latest episodes

Jan 13, 2024 • 52min
Episode 5
Joe and John talk Iowa and New Hampshire, Bobby Kennedy and Donald Trump, Barack Obama and Joe Biden, immigration and Ecuador, Tiger Woods and Nike. Mostly.

Jan 6, 2024 • 58min
Episode 4
John and Joe discusses Trump's chances ahead of the Iowa caucuses and his appeal of a Colorado Supreme Court decision barring him from the state's ballot. John offers an idea for the new president of Harvard.

Dec 30, 2023 • 1h 5min
Episode 3
A Look Back, A Look Ahead. Joe thinks 2024 most closely resembles 1924, when the Democratic National Convention needed 103 ballots to arrive at a presidential nominee. John thinks a third party is being born and that Bob Gates would make No Labels more than a wild card in the 2024 election.

Dec 30, 2023 • 34min
Episode 2
Joe's extensive experience reporting on the Middle East is evident. John's obsession with the property crisis in China is (briefly) unleashed.

Dec 29, 2023 • 40min
Episode 1
John and Joe (mostly) talk American politics in the inaugural edition of Night Owls.