
The Meaning Code
Mapping the universe through discussions about physics, art, economics, philosophy, and more. The search for meaning through connections from one domain of knowledge to another. Finding the code that connects the substructures of the universe. For video recordings of these podcasts: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgp_r6WlBwDSJrP43Mz07GQ Find me on Twitter: https://twitter.com/klwong43 View my art here: https://karenwongartcom
Latest episodes

Sep 19, 2024 • 60min
Jordan Hall and Michael Levin: Bowtie, Identity, Hyperobject, Synchronicity, Salience and OODA Loops
Michael Levin, developmental and synthetic biologist from Tufts U meets Jordan Hall, pioneer of disruptive technologies. What's the crossover? Come along to find out! Timestamps: 00:00 Intro 02:34 Bowtie concept in cognitive systems 08:54 Collective Intelligence and Embodiment 17:15 Markets and Cognitive glue 19:33 Scaling 22:14 Mechanisms of Cognitive Glue 24:47 Identity question 25:12 Mechanisms of Cognitive Glue 29:33 What is OODA? 36:37 Hyperobjects 39:48 Complexity and Effort in Biological and Social Systems 48:05 Patterns and Collective Intelligence 53:17 Nature of Poetry and its relation to Consciousness

Sep 12, 2024 • 1h 22min
Austrian Economics and Systems Biology: Price, Value and Profit as Scale Invariant concepts
Can the price mechanism be seen in biology?Signups for Olympia Face to Face conference at: https://estuarynorthwest2024.comTimestamps: 00:00 Intro 23:01 How is the price mechanism influenced by collective intelligence? 27:06 What is the role of subjective value in determining prices? 44:43 How does profit provide different kinds of information compared to prices? 1:03:38 Is inflation an evil force that keeps people down? 1:21:06 What does it mean to witness and observe in the context of economics?

Sep 5, 2024 • 1h 17min
Individuality, Subjectivity and Intuition: a Dissection of Maps of Meaning by Jordan Peterson Part 1
Olena and Karen explore specific paragraphs of "Maps of Meaning" regarding the implications of individuality and subjectivity in Peterson's teachings, highlighting the complex dynamics in personal growth and interaction with others as well as the nuanced relationship between humility and confidence drawing insights from the work of Dallas Willard, and discussing the development of intuition and its relevance in facing life's challenges. The transformative power of trust and faith in navigating fear and embracing the unknown arises in the midst of finding treasures in chaos, drawing parallels to dragons guarding treasure and emphasizing that valuable treasures are hidden in difficult situations. Additionally, they explore the dynamics of initiation and response, discussing the interplay between active will and response, and highlighting the importance of every individual's unique expression of creativity as a contribution to the wholeness of society. Because of generational differences, discernment is essential in bringing back treasure and integrating it into the community.

Aug 29, 2024 • 1h 19min
Kayfabe of the American dream, fear, demonic power, and conscious love.
Karen Wong and General Grizwald Grim of the First Ingression Protocol discussed a range of topics, including an upcoming conference in Olympia, WA (estuarynorthwest2024.com).Conspiracy theories, the educational system, the kayfabe of the American dream, fear, demonic power, and conscious love emphasizing the importance of clear communication, trusted human networks, positive actions, and reliance on Jesus to overcome darkness

Aug 22, 2024 • 1h 21min
Rafe Kelley on Embodiment, Love, Sacrifice and a View of the Metamodern
Rafe Kelley, founder of Evolve Move Play and host of a podcast by the same name get together to lay the groundwork for a conference at which they will speak in September. Timestamps follow info on the conference. https://estuarynorthwest2024.com Olympia, WA, September 12 through 15. Signups are still available. Other speakers include Paul VanderKlay, Dr. Chris Green, Dr. Michael Martin and poet Graham Pardun. Hosted by Nate Hile, host of Grail Country podcast. Timestamps: 00:00 Intro 00:30 Strength and capacity of human body requires love and sacrifice 01:20 Physical and dialogical practices 02:10 Love as a physical expression 05:00 The upside and downside of transformative practices 12:03 Mindfulness practices 19:11 Discussion of Evolve Move Play retreats 13:12 Books John Vervaeke recommended to Rafe Kelley 34:54 How Rafe got involved in this little corner 37:23 Dealing with fear 41:00 Metamodernism 49:15 Rafe's journey towards an exploration of Christianity 1:10:45 The relationship between faith and works

Aug 15, 2024 • 1h 26min
D C Schindler and Jordan Hall: What is Novelty and where does it come from? The radical nature of the gift of multiple problems.
The conversation between D C Schindler (PhD professor of metaphysics and anthropology) and Jordan Hall (pioneer of disruptive technologies) emphasized the need to bridge the domains of science, philosophy, and theology to gain a deeper understanding of the transcendent and its implications for human identity and the pursuit of knowledge. Timestamps follow announcements: Reminder there is still time to sign up for Estuary Northwest 2024, the Face to Face conference in Olympia, WA September 12th or 13th through the 15th. Signups at https://www.estuarynorthwest2024.com. Speakers include Paul VanderKlay, Dr. Chris Green, Graham Pardun, Rafe Kelley, dr. Michael Martin and me. Timestamps: 00:00 Intro 05:00 The radical nature of our problems are getting us to the heart of the matter.05:43 The excitement of the synchronicity of unicorns! 16:00 Subject object loop of learning 19:50 The immanent and the transcendent 24:00 Faith as Reality in relationship with us 27:00 The consequences of lived multiculturalism, the global village and Marshall McLuhan 29:00 Challenges of communication across ideological boundaries 40:40 Discussing the video clip of Michael Levin's discussion with Karl Friston and Chris Fields on the idea of novelty and the transcendent. Where does novelty come from? 48:00 Exploring the concept of novelty and the isness of objects. Novelty is not strange (Heidegger) 50:45 Banal novelty and the booby trapping of metaphysics. Seeking a deeper understanding of the concept of metaphysics and its relationship to theology. 58:30 Developing the premise of the relationship between the transcendent and personal relationship with reality. (The nature of faith, reason, and the transcendent). 1:07:18 Recasting the self in the transformative experience. 1:10:36 The principles of design and beauty in art and nature intersecting with the principles of science and metaphysics. 1:18:04 Discovering art as a continuity of contact with the transcendent 1:22:07 The relationship between truth, science, art, and religion. 1:26:30 Announcing the upcoming conference in Olympia, Washington.

Aug 12, 2024 • 1h 31min
Towards Completeness: Sam Tideman on a Drive to Survive, the Pursuit of Perfection and Adaptability
Sam Tideman of the YouTube channel, Transfigured, joins Karen to discuss the recent Peter Robinson interview with Stephen Meyer, David Berlinski and James Orr called The Magician's Twin. Info for the September conference in Olympia, WA where I will be one of the speakers. https://www.estuarynorthwest2024.com/ Timestamps: 00:00 Intro 01:06. The Nature of Scientific Laws 19:02 Aristotle's Four Causes and Their Relevance in Science 25:02 The Purpose of Survival 30:04 Discussion on Completeness and the Desire to Exist 42:46 Confronting Anomalies and the Pursuit of Perfection 50:47 Exploring the Christological Passage 59:30 The Nature of AI and its Potential Influence on Humanity 1:09:47 Evolution and Creationism Discussion 1:16:31 The Mathematical Challenge of Protein Discovery 1:21:54 Evolution and Adaptability

Aug 11, 2024 • 1h 56min
Annie Crawford: How a Sacramental View of the World addresses The Meaning Crisis: That Hideous Strength by C S Lewis
Annie Crawford, a classical educator and cultural apologist, discussed her work in renewing a sacramental view of the world emphasizing the importance of this worldview in addressing the modern meaning crisis as it reveals that meaning is woven into the fabric of creation. Annie defined sacraments as visible signs of invisible grace. She shared her personal journey of rebuilding her life and family around a sacramental view of the world, drawing inspiration from C.S. Lewis, Plato, and her experiences in a liturgical church. Discussing the role of moral values in academic discourse, she highlighted the potential risks of falling into postmodern relativism and the influence of critical theory. Karen and Annie explored the idea that embracing certain moral values can serve as a safeguard against these pitfalls and discussed the connection between objective truth, metaphysical truth, and moral discourse. Additionally, they addressed the tension of the "inner ring", the desire to be part of the elite, and the potential moral implications of using it as a motivation for moral endeavors. After that background, they brought in the themes of "That Hideous Strength" by C.S. Lewis, drawing parallels to Augustine's City of God and the biblical dichotomy of the kingdom of heaven versus the kingdom of man. They highlighted the importance of patient waiting and obedience in the process of healing the world. Annie particularly emphasized the idea that grandiose plans and rhetoric are not the key to victory, but rather it is obedience, humility, and quiet faithfulness that play a pivotal role. The conversation underscored the powerful portrayal of these themes by Lewis and the encouragement it provides in understanding the role of obedience in the restoration of the world. The symbolism of the head in Lewis's work draws connections to transhumanist ideologies and depopulation strategies. The prophetic nature of Lewis's writings in relation to current societal trends highlights the relevance of his ideas to contemporary issues. The current concern about the significance of AI and the potential introduction of superhuman intelligences from another world reflects on the broader implications of these concepts in the context of science, faith, and societal evolution.

Jul 25, 2024 • 1h 29min
Metrology: The Art and Science of Measurement, or "Why We Need to Make Friends with the Unknown"
Apologies! Right around 6 minutes, I say Adam Sandler when I meant Adam Savage:-) Timestamps are approximate. Timestamps: 00:00 Intro 02:00 The Intersection of Art and Science in Measurement 15:00 Tolerance and Precision in Manufacturing 25:00 Viscosity and its Relationship to Environmental Factors 41:00 The Complexity of Science and Empirical Derivation 46:00 Discussion on Thermodynamics and Viscosity 53:00 Discussion on Temperature and Energy Transfer 58:00 Precision Measurement and Metrology 1:06:14 Discussion on the Concepts of Ruler and Standard 1:16:00 Discussion on Measurement, Uncertainty, and Perception Here's the summary the AI did, which is pretty good on the technical stuff, but the underlying metaphysical implications seemed to fly right over its head. "The meeting addressed several topics, including metrology and measurement, viscosity, energy transfer, and precision measurement . The conversation then shifted to tolerance and precision in manufacturing. The speakers examined the impact of tolerance on production costs and the necessity for machines to achieve greater precision than the components they produce. They also considered the effects of environmental factors like temperature on machining processes and the importance of measuring components at specific temperatures. Further, William and Karen discussed the concept of viscosity and its relationship with environmental factors, such as temperature, pressure, and surface roughness. They compared the behavior of liquids and gases concerning viscosity and discussed its practical implications in engineering, especially in fluid dynamics and mold design. The complexity of science was another topic of discussion, with an emphasis on the limitations of achieving a completely ideal understanding and the use of maps, equations, and measurements with tolerance and approximation. Additionally, the relationship between temperature and energy transfer was explored, considering the process of adding energy to an object and the resulting cooling effect. The speakers highlighted the hidden complexities of measurement and metrology and the intricate processes involved in achieving accurate and reliable measurements."

Jul 18, 2024 • 1h 34min
The Book of Job: A Deep Dive into the Human Side of Suffering
Karen Wong and Jess Purviance ranged from their personal backgrounds and interests to deep theological explorations of the Book of Job. They discussed how a deep dive into a specific topic can reveal the interconnectedness and how it can provide a framework for understanding the world. They also spoke of embracing uncertainty and finding faith in difficult circumstances, drawing inspiration from scriptural examples and personal experiences.They also analyzed the book's relationship to Proverbs and Ecclesiastes, highlighting the unique illustration of Job's integrity and suffering that goes beyond the wisdom books in the Bible. Psalms and Job are both good examples for dealing with a diverse array of human emotions and experiences, including anger, despair, and praise, In a look at the role of boundaries and chaos in creation, they drew from biblical references and mythological stories to illustrate their points.In the next get together, they plan to talk about measurement. In preparation for this, you could watch this fascinating video of Adam Savage on gauge blocks: https://youtu.be/qE7dYhpI_bI?si=QP80-nxysYLQMx7CBecome New on the "world of perhaps": https://youtu.be/uJwB5OwG-34?si=hVsYWmBDMFJ3ZkqjJess' Youtube channel (scroll down for playlist of Job episodes: https://www.youtube.com/@JessPurviance