

The Meaning Code
Karen Wong
Mapping the universe through discussions about physics, art, economics, philosophy, and more. The search for meaning through connections from one domain of knowledge to another. Finding the code that connects the substructures of the universe. For video recordings of these podcasts: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgp_r6WlBwDSJrP43Mz07GQ Find me on Twitter: https://twitter.com/klwong43 View my art here: https://karenwongartcom
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Oct 10, 2024 • 1h 33min
Price as the Cognitive Glue of Multiple Intelligences: Ben Lyon and Marcus Shera on Economics and Biology
Ben Lyons recently gave a talk on Michael Levin's Academic Channel with his theory that price in economics relates to Levin's theory of bio electricity as the cognitive glue of collective intelligence. Marcus Shera, expert in Austrian Economics, joins us to discuss this theory and how it might apply to the wider view. Timestamps: 0:00 Introductions 04:28 Exploring the Concept of Value in Economics and Biology 19:47 Discussion on Cellular Level Decision Making 24:02 Brain Function and Finance Analogy 29:15 Economic Perspectives and Transaction Costs 39:05 Computational Irreducibility and Reducibility 41:30 Contracts and Social Institutions 52:32 Discussion on the Role of DNA in Biological Systems 58:20 Discussion on Subjective Theory of Value and Scarcity 1:02:48 Discussion on Entropy and its Relationship to Choice and Economics 1:19:00 Exploring the Relationship Between Opportunity Cost and Entropy 1:26:04 Discussion on the Role of Price System in Coordinating System Ben Lyons presentation to Michael Levin: https://youtu.be/0Oo4ng6dWrQ?si=vzfUAjNG6pSqOXmg Ben Lyons website and an article on Memory in Mathematics: https://benjaminflyons.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/memories-in-math-3.pdf?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

Oct 8, 2024 • 1h 3min
Thoughts on the Estuary Northwest 2024 Conference: Encountering Face to Face, Lauren and Kara
Lauren and Kara were new to TLC and still got up the courage to attend the Northwest Estuary Conference in Olympia, WA. We talk about their experience.

Oct 3, 2024 • 1h 21min
The Foundations of Archdisciplinarity, Cory David Barker, et al: The Arch of Universal Computability
Karen and Cory David Barker discuss the book "Foundations of Arch Disciplinarity" and the contributions of Brendan Graham Dempsey starting with Cory's early life and his interest in comparative religion and Carl Jung's work, which led him to develop archidisciplinarity, including scopes of inquiry towards a broader discussion on the evolution of human advancement and the integration of disparate domains for joint problem solving. Timestamps: 00:00 Intro 00:15 Cory's new book, The Foundations of Archdisciplinarity with Brendan Graham Dempsey as one of the co-authors and Cory's background with comparative religions and Jungian archetypes. 05:19 Universal computability as an archetypal pattern that manifests across various frameworks of human knowledge. 12:10 Universal patterns and their impact on human understanding and decision-making, touching on 19:45 The cyclical nature of conservatism and progressivism. The scientific process as a form of universal computability pattern, drawing parallels between the process of painting and making decisions in life. 24:27 Anomaly as a necessary transcendental function of nature. The categorization of human endeavors in academia, emphasizing the relationship between utility and aesthetic in art and its parallels to scientific exploration. 28:25 The importance of context and the underlying principles of universal computability and the subconscious processes involved in creating art, as well as the historical and societal influences on art, reflecting the unconscious development of a society through artistic expression. 36:23 Recursivity 39:40 A detailed discussion about arch disciplinarity, exploring its connection to universal computability and the energy, design work, and power involved in creating objects. 48:05 The release of the first edition of the Foundations of Arch Disciplinarity book, emphasizing the plan to release a second edition with more examples and stories to bring the concepts to life for readers. Go to Arc.voyage to read the book for free.

Sep 26, 2024 • 1h 22min
Recurring Patterns in the Fractal Nature of the Cosmos
Michael Bull, author of Bible Matrix and numerous other works joins Tomer Solomon to discuss the question, "Is the chiastic structure a literary device or does it reflect a deep core pattern of reality?" Tomer draws on his knowledge of Arthur Young's Reflexive Universe and A. N. Whitehead's process philosophy to discuss the isomorphisms of these structures that keep showing up everywhere as scale invariants. For more information on the Encountering Face to Face conference in Olympia, WA in September, https://estuarynorthwest2024.com Michael Bull's website: https://www.biblematrix.com.au This is chock full of great resources. Previous conversation on Bowtie Structures in perception: https://youtu.be/Iz7yC6Ux0Jk The paper Karen and Ryan were discussing in that video: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2004.09426 METABOLIC PATHWAY MAP. https://faculty.cc.gatech.edu/~turk/bio_sim/articles/metabolic_pathways.png

Sep 19, 2024 • 60min
Jordan Hall and Michael Levin: Bowtie, Identity, Hyperobject, Synchronicity, Salience and OODA Loops
Michael Levin, developmental and synthetic biologist from Tufts U meets Jordan Hall, pioneer of disruptive technologies. What's the crossover? Come along to find out! Timestamps: 00:00 Intro 02:34 Bowtie concept in cognitive systems 08:54 Collective Intelligence and Embodiment 17:15 Markets and Cognitive glue 19:33 Scaling 22:14 Mechanisms of Cognitive Glue 24:47 Identity question 25:12 Mechanisms of Cognitive Glue 29:33 What is OODA? 36:37 Hyperobjects 39:48 Complexity and Effort in Biological and Social Systems 48:05 Patterns and Collective Intelligence 53:17 Nature of Poetry and its relation to Consciousness

Sep 12, 2024 • 1h 22min
Austrian Economics and Systems Biology: Price, Value and Profit as Scale Invariant concepts
Can the price mechanism be seen in biology?Signups for Olympia Face to Face conference at: https://estuarynorthwest2024.comTimestamps: 00:00 Intro 23:01 How is the price mechanism influenced by collective intelligence? 27:06 What is the role of subjective value in determining prices? 44:43 How does profit provide different kinds of information compared to prices? 1:03:38 Is inflation an evil force that keeps people down? 1:21:06 What does it mean to witness and observe in the context of economics?

Sep 5, 2024 • 1h 17min
Individuality, Subjectivity and Intuition: a Dissection of Maps of Meaning by Jordan Peterson Part 1
Olena and Karen explore specific paragraphs of "Maps of Meaning" regarding the implications of individuality and subjectivity in Peterson's teachings, highlighting the complex dynamics in personal growth and interaction with others as well as the nuanced relationship between humility and confidence drawing insights from the work of Dallas Willard, and discussing the development of intuition and its relevance in facing life's challenges. The transformative power of trust and faith in navigating fear and embracing the unknown arises in the midst of finding treasures in chaos, drawing parallels to dragons guarding treasure and emphasizing that valuable treasures are hidden in difficult situations. Additionally, they explore the dynamics of initiation and response, discussing the interplay between active will and response, and highlighting the importance of every individual's unique expression of creativity as a contribution to the wholeness of society. Because of generational differences, discernment is essential in bringing back treasure and integrating it into the community.

Aug 29, 2024 • 1h 19min
Kayfabe of the American dream, fear, demonic power, and conscious love.
Karen Wong and General Grizwald Grim of the First Ingression Protocol discussed a range of topics, including an upcoming conference in Olympia, WA (estuarynorthwest2024.com).Conspiracy theories, the educational system, the kayfabe of the American dream, fear, demonic power, and conscious love emphasizing the importance of clear communication, trusted human networks, positive actions, and reliance on Jesus to overcome darkness

Aug 22, 2024 • 1h 21min
Rafe Kelley on Embodiment, Love, Sacrifice and a View of the Metamodern
Rafe Kelley, founder of Evolve Move Play and host of a podcast by the same name get together to lay the groundwork for a conference at which they will speak in September. Timestamps follow info on the conference. https://estuarynorthwest2024.com Olympia, WA, September 12 through 15. Signups are still available. Other speakers include Paul VanderKlay, Dr. Chris Green, Dr. Michael Martin and poet Graham Pardun. Hosted by Nate Hile, host of Grail Country podcast. Timestamps: 00:00 Intro 00:30 Strength and capacity of human body requires love and sacrifice 01:20 Physical and dialogical practices 02:10 Love as a physical expression 05:00 The upside and downside of transformative practices 12:03 Mindfulness practices 19:11 Discussion of Evolve Move Play retreats 13:12 Books John Vervaeke recommended to Rafe Kelley 34:54 How Rafe got involved in this little corner 37:23 Dealing with fear 41:00 Metamodernism 49:15 Rafe's journey towards an exploration of Christianity 1:10:45 The relationship between faith and works

Aug 15, 2024 • 1h 26min
D C Schindler and Jordan Hall: What is Novelty and where does it come from? The radical nature of the gift of multiple problems.
The conversation between D C Schindler (PhD professor of metaphysics and anthropology) and Jordan Hall (pioneer of disruptive technologies) emphasized the need to bridge the domains of science, philosophy, and theology to gain a deeper understanding of the transcendent and its implications for human identity and the pursuit of knowledge. Timestamps follow announcements: Reminder there is still time to sign up for Estuary Northwest 2024, the Face to Face conference in Olympia, WA September 12th or 13th through the 15th. Signups at https://www.estuarynorthwest2024.com. Speakers include Paul VanderKlay, Dr. Chris Green, Graham Pardun, Rafe Kelley, dr. Michael Martin and me. Timestamps: 00:00 Intro 05:00 The radical nature of our problems are getting us to the heart of the matter.05:43 The excitement of the synchronicity of unicorns! 16:00 Subject object loop of learning 19:50 The immanent and the transcendent 24:00 Faith as Reality in relationship with us 27:00 The consequences of lived multiculturalism, the global village and Marshall McLuhan 29:00 Challenges of communication across ideological boundaries 40:40 Discussing the video clip of Michael Levin's discussion with Karl Friston and Chris Fields on the idea of novelty and the transcendent. Where does novelty come from? 48:00 Exploring the concept of novelty and the isness of objects. Novelty is not strange (Heidegger) 50:45 Banal novelty and the booby trapping of metaphysics. Seeking a deeper understanding of the concept of metaphysics and its relationship to theology. 58:30 Developing the premise of the relationship between the transcendent and personal relationship with reality. (The nature of faith, reason, and the transcendent). 1:07:18 Recasting the self in the transformative experience. 1:10:36 The principles of design and beauty in art and nature intersecting with the principles of science and metaphysics. 1:18:04 Discovering art as a continuity of contact with the transcendent 1:22:07 The relationship between truth, science, art, and religion. 1:26:30 Announcing the upcoming conference in Olympia, Washington.