
Innovative Legal Leadership
Innovative Legal Leadership is the podcast dedicated to the world’s most innovative General Counsel and their leadership teams. In this show, you’ll hear best practices in running a Fortune 500 inhouse legal department: the challenges, wins, roadblocks and what lies ahead.
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Latest episodes

Jul 21, 2022 • 43min
Hopin: Irene Liu - The Use Case For Legal Technology
Client facing interactions can become more effective by including your legal team in the sales enablement process. Establishing relationships between product managers and legal professionals creates an ecosystem where project approvals and closing business deals happen quickly and efficiently.
In this episode, we speak with Irene Liu, Chief Legal Officer of Hopin, about how her team enables business partners and the use cases for legal departments using legal technology platforms like PERSUIT.
Join us as we discuss:
Sales enablement processes
The use cases for legal technology
Representation & closing the gender gap
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Jul 7, 2022 • 52min
McKesson Corporation: Lori Schechter - Finding Fulfillment by Stepping Out of Comfort Zones
By stepping out of our comfort zone, we encounter diverse outcomes and have the potential to discover aspects of ourselves we had never considered before.
That can look like striking up a conversation with someone new, attempting a recipe that seems above your skill level, volunteering to take on a project at work you’ve never done before, or even changing career paths.
In this episode, we speak with Lori Schechter, EVP, Chief Legal Officer & General Counsel at McKesson Corporation, about what it takes to step out of your comfort zone, how she navigated her chapter two, and the wisdom she’s gained.
We discuss:
Stepping out of your comfort zone
Navigating company initiatives
What makes a quality law firm partner
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Jun 30, 2022 • 37min
Jim Moffat - JSM Advisors, Inc.: Finding Your Idea of Success
They say there’s an outlier in every family, someone who makes different choices and treads a new path—like a business student in a family of doctors.
Whichever career path we choose, we all grapple with similar questions; fighting the myth of work-life balance, identifying what it takes to lead, figuring out what success means to us, etc.
In this episode, we speak with Jim Moffat, President, at JSM Advisors, Inc. and former CEO of Deloitte Consulting, about being his family's outlier, lessons he’s learned across his career as a consultant, and the one thing it comes down to at the end of the day.
We discuss:
Parenting strategies for type A parents
The illusion of work life balance
A key quality for leadership
Creating healthy company cultures
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Jun 23, 2022 • 41min
Ron Gill - NetSuite: A CFO’s Relationship With General Counsels
CFOs and General Counsels can’t just rely on a strong relationship to predict spending, you have to have a system in place that takes the guesswork out of managing your organizations legal spend.
In this episode, we’re joined by Ron Gill, Former CFO of NetSuite and current Operating Partner and Board Member at Lead Edge Capital. We speak to Ron about becoming a globally recognized CFO, relationships between a General Counsels and CFOs, and why he sees PERSUIT as a solution to legal spend predictability.
Join us as we discuss:
High Growth Companies At Different Economic Cycles
Becoming a Globally Recognized CFO
Visibility Into Legal Spending
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Jun 16, 2022 • 47min
Dr. Elouise Epstein - Kearney: The Changing Landscape of Legal and Procurement
The repercussions from the beginning of COVID-19 will continue to be felt for years to come. While there have been and will continue to be many negatives from the pandemic, for some professions, it pushed their work into the forefront and emphasized how important their roles are in everyday business and legal functions.
In this episode, we’re shifting gears away from speaking with General Counsel and legal teams to take a deep dive into procurement with Dr. Elouise Epstein, Partner at Kearney.
We discuss:
How COVID-19 has impacted procurement
Why digital is an evolving factor in the business
Collaborating with legal teams
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Jun 9, 2022 • 39min
Marc Barbeau - Air Canada: Meaningful Careers & the Relationships that Make Them
We all want meaningful work and to know at the end of the day, our work mattered.
Impacting the next generation by engaging with them and passing the baton to them, while simultaneously figuring out how to evolve to the next step in our careers.
In this episode, we speak with Marc Barbeau, Executive Vice President and Chief Legal Officer at Air Canada, about lessons he’s learned in 30 plus years of law and why he’s thrilled for this next step at Air Canada.
We discuss:
How to look back and learn from challenges in your past
The benefits of sponsoring and the difference from mentoring
Why personal growth and relationships are important
What advice Marc has for up and coming law professionals
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May 26, 2022 • 29min
Andrew Brereton - ServiceNow: A Tactical Look at Driving Transformation from Legal Ops
For most organizations, the legal function is long overdue for transformation—and legal ops is best placed to drive that transformation.
In this episode, we speak with Andrew Brereton, Vice President of Legal Operations at ServiceNow, about the what, the why, and the how of driving value and transformation for the legal organization from legal ops.
We discuss:
Why legal ops is vital to driving value and transformation
Early initiatives that build a foundation to deliver on transformation
The high-level process around transforming legal workflows
Best practices for gaining buy-in and managing change
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May 19, 2022 • 47min
Ivan Fong - Medtronic: Leadership & Clarity in Crisis
Ivan Fong holds pu blic service in high regard. The son of immigrants (his parents fled China during the communist revolution), Ivan experienced the advantages and opportunities of living in the United States firsthand. Public service is his way of giving back to the country that gave his family so much.
His time at the Department of Homeland Security, the Department of Justice, and as a clerk to Justice Sandra Day O’Connor also provided an incredible grounding in law and government relations, that led him to becoming the Executive Vice President, General Counsel, and Secretary at Medtronic.
We discuss:
Gaining experience through public and community service
Setting clear priorities in times of crisis
Creating psychological safety in the workplace
Increasing expectations for corporate responsibility
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May 12, 2022 • 39min
Katina Thornock - Providence: How to Grab a Seat at the Table
When Katina Thornock was a young associate, she was fortunate to have the mentorship of strong female shareholders. When nerves would creep in before a civil deposition, one, in particular, would say, “Don’t let those old guys walk all over you. You know the material and you know the craft. Now, go do it.”
Empowerment—that’s what strong mentorship and honest feedback cultivates. It’s the sacred charge of legal leaders around the world—to empower those who are less experienced and provide a support system that enables personal development.
Katina takes that mission seriously as Vice President and Senior Litigation Counsel at Providence. It manifests in the stories she imparts to young attorneys, in the programs she implements that create safe spaces for young lawyers to fail and to learn, and in the work she puts into D&I initiatives.
We discuss:
How real honest feedback can enhance personal development
How to expand the legal function in a high-growth company
Seizing a seat at the business table
Doing the work in DNI
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May 5, 2022 • 43min
Lindsey Haswell - Blockchain.com: Choosing Risk Over Job Security
Lindsey Haswell was determined to be either a broadcast journalist or a lawyer. Because it’s at the epicenter of policy and economics, she chose law.
She started out as a litigator at Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher before making the leap to a small (at the time) startup called Uber. She viewed it as an investment in her future, an opportunity to learn how to build and run a business and how legal furthers the mission of the business.
She passes these lessons along to her team in her current role as Chief Administrative Officer and Chief Legal Officer at Blockchain.com, where they are shaping the future of financial services on the internet.
We discuss:
Taking the risk of joining Uber
The mindset shift required for going in-house
Shaping predictable regulatory frameworks in crypto
Bringing more women and non-binaries into crypto with MyBFF
More information about Lindsey Haswell and today’s topics:
LinkedIn Profile: linkedin.com/in/lindsey-haswell-5190378
Company Website: blockchain.com
MyBFF on Twitter: twitter.com/MyBFF
MyBFF on Discord: discord.com/invite/mybff
The Hard Thing About Hard Things by Ben Horowitz: https://a16z.com/book/the-hard-thing-about-hard-things/
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