The PERSUIT Podcast

It’s easy to overthink the little things. Sometimes, the corporate legal ladder can look like Mt. Everest, but something as simple as a positive attitude can help you reach the summit. You just have to be willing to escape your comfort zone and go for it. Jeff Langlands, General Counsel of Corporate, Digital, and Networks at BT Group Plc and Director of EE Limited, spoke with us about setting his stall out in becoming a GC. Join us as we discuss: Opportunities for “the next challenge” (15:55) Traits Jeff looks for as a mentor (22:29) Notable differences between in-house and external firms (25:37)   Check out these resources we mentioned during the podcast: - BT Group Plc - EE Limited - DLA Piper Hear more stories by following Innovative Legal Leadership on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or any podcast platform. Listening on a desktop & can’t see the links? Just search for Innovative Legal Leadership in your favorite podcast player.Hosted on Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.

Many legal counsels find their early spark while mastering the art of the corporate deal. Those formative years can be critical in learning to acknowledge priorities and narrow the scope of your clients’ needs. Philip Kirkpatrick, Regional General Counsel - North America at Rabobank, tells us how his early days as a deal fanatic translated into his stance on authentic leadership as a GC. Join us as we discuss: Importance of transparency in your legal team (12:10) Foreseen challenges in the legal field (22:41) COVID’s impact on team engagement (26:19)  Check out these resources we mentioned during the podcast: Philip Kirkpatrick Rabobank  You can find this interview and many more by subscribing to Innovative Legal Leadership on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or here. Listening on a desktop & can’t see the links? Just search for Innovative Legal Leadership in your favorite podcast player.Hosted on Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.

We’ve had the privilege of talking to several standout legal professionals who defied family expectations to take a path less traveled. Be it love for language or logic that launches these careers, pivotal moments often influence these pillars of the legal community to help bridge the gaps in their field. Chaman Sidhu, Chief Legal Officer at Xero, joined us to how her experience in high-growth environments shaped her growth and narrowed her approach to risk. Join us as we discuss: - Innovating and questioning the status quo (10:47) - Advice for GCs at a high-growth company (23:09) - Technology’s role in the future of legal (31:44) Check out these resources we mentioned during the podcast: - Chaman Sidhu - Xero You can find this interview and many more by subscribing to Innovative Legal Leadership on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or here. Listening on a desktop & can’t see the links? Just search for Innovative Legal Leadership in your favorite podcast player.Hosted on Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.

Preparing a legal team for a fresh IPO launch is exciting, but it also comes with its share of challenges. Communication is key, and authentic leadership is needed so that different perspectives can freely join the conversation.  Christina Lai, Vice Presid ent, Deputy General Counsel and Corporate Secretary for Robinhood, tells us how her experience prepared her to lead her team into the future.   Join us as we discuss: - Christina’s first-time experience helping launch an IPO (17:23) - Her legal department’s values and long-term strategy (29:46)  - The importance of authenticity in leadership and growth (37:37)  Check out these resources we mentioned during the podcast: - Christina Lai  - Robinhood  - Breakthrough Silicon Valley  You can find this interview and many more by subscribing to Innovative Legal Leadership on Apple Podcasts , Spotify , or here .   Listening on a desktop & can’t see the links? Just search for Innovative Legal Leadership in your favorite podcast player.Hosted on Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.

General counsel shouldn’t be seen as an obstacle to the success of the company; and yet, they are often seen as the unnecessary evil when reminding the team about compliance. In this episode, we speak with Jonathan Polk, General Counsel and Chief Compliance Officer at Melio, to learn about his mission to find balance in legal while generating consensus around the things that help a company grow. Join us as we discuss: Balancing compliance with culture Building trust with the team and consumers Walking the tightrope of compliance triage Hosted on Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.

You could say Nicole Kelsey, Chief Legal Officer and Secretary at Amyris, is addicted to learning. Since Nicole was young, her Algerian mother branded a love for languages and different cultures on her daughter’s heart. Now, she’s bringing her fiery passion for continuing education to the legal profession.     Nicole shares her provocative story of grit and growth in pursuing a GC role and empowering her team through innovative leadership.    Join us as we discuss: - Early inspiration for a life of endless learning (6:36) - Overcoming adversity in career advancement  (16:03) - Finding creativity in a gritty mindset (22:01) Check out these resources we mentioned during the podcast: - Nicole Kelsey - Amyris Hear more stories by following Innovative Legal Leadership on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or any podcast platform. Listening on a desktop & can’t see the links? Just search for Innovative Legal Leadership in your favorite podcast player.  Hosted on Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.

Client facing interactions can become more effective by including your legal team in the sales enablement process. Establishing relationships between product managers and legal professionals creates an ecosystem where project approvals and closing business deals happen quickly and efficiently. In this episode, we speak with Irene Liu, Chief Legal Officer of Hopin, about how her team enables business partners and the use cases for legal departments using legal technology platforms like PERSUIT. Join us as we discuss: Sales enablement processes The use cases for legal technology Representation & closing the gender gap  Hosted on Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.

By stepping out of our comfort zone, we encounter diverse outcomes and have the potential to discover aspects of ourselves we had never considered before. That can look like striking up a conversation with someone new, attempting a recipe that seems above your skill level, volunteering to take on a project at work you’ve never done before, or even changing career paths. In this episode, we speak with Lori Schechter, EVP, Chief Legal Officer & General Counsel at McKesson Corporation, about what it takes to step out of your comfort zone, how she navigated her chapter two, and the wisdom she’s gained. We discuss: Stepping out of your comfort zone Navigating company initiatives What makes a quality law firm partner   Hear more stories by subscribing to Innovative Legal Leadership on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or any podcast platform. Listening on a desktop & can’t see the links? Just search for Innovative Legal Leadership in your favorite podcast player.Hosted on Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.

They say there’s an outlier in every family, someone who makes different choices and treads a new path—like a business student in a family of doctors. Whichever career path we choose, we all grapple with similar questions; fighting the myth of work-life balance, identifying what it takes to lead, figuring out what success means to us, etc. In this episode, we speak with Jim Moffat, President, at JSM Advisors, Inc. and former CEO of Deloitte Consulting, about being his family's outlier, lessons he’s learned across his career as a consultant, and the one thing it comes down to at the end of the day. We discuss: Parenting strategies for type A parents The illusion of work life balance A key quality for leadership Creating healthy company cultures  Hear more stories by subscribing to Innovative Legal Leadership on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or any podcast platform. Listening on a desktop & can’t see the links? Just search for Innovative Legal Leadership in your favorite podcast player.Hosted on Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.

CFOs and General Counsels can’t just rely on a strong relationship to predict spending, you have to have a system in place that takes the guesswork out of managing your organizations legal spend. In this episode, we’re joined by Ron Gill, Former CFO of NetSuite and current Operating Partner and Board Member at Lead Edge Capital. We speak to Ron about becoming a globally recognized CFO, relationships between a General Counsels and CFOs, and why he sees PERSUIT as a solution to legal spend predictability. Join us as we discuss: High Growth Companies At Different Economic Cycles Becoming a Globally Recognized CFO Visibility Into Legal Spending Hosted on Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.