
The Customer Success Playbook
Welcome to “The Customer Success Playbook,” a fresh podcast initiative spearheaded by Kevin Metzger and Roman Trebon. Immerse yourself with us in the dynamic realm of customer success, where we unravel the latest insights, inspirations, and wisdom from recognized leaders in the Customer Success domain.Our journey began with a simple yet profound belief: that meaningful conversations can significantly impact our professional trajectory. With this ethos, we’ve embarked on a mission to bring to you the voices of seasoned and revered professionals in the field. Our episodes have seen the likes of Sue Nabeth Moore, Greg Daines, Jeff Heclker, James Scott, David Ellin, and David Jackson, who have generously shared their expertise on a variety of pertinent topics.We’ve delved into the intricacies of Profit and Loss Statements in Customer Success with Dave Jacksson, explored the potential of Customer Success Platforms with Dave Ellin, and unravelled the role of AI in Customer Success with all guests. With Sue, we navigated the waters of Organizational Alignment, while Greg brought to light strategies for Reducing Churn. Not to be missed is James insightful discourse on the Current Trends in Customer Success and Jeff’s thoughts on Service Delivery in CS.Each episode is crafted with the intention to ignite curiosity and foster a culture of continuous learning and improvement among customer success professionals. Our discussions transcend the conventional, probing into the proactive approach, and the evolving landscape of customer success.Whether you’re a seasoned veteran or a newcomer to the industry, our goal is to propel your customer success prowess to greater heights. The rich tapestry of topics we cover ensures there’s something for everyone, from the fundamentals to the advanced strategies that shape the modern customer success playbook.Our upcoming episodes promise a wealth of knowledge with topics like CS Math, Training, AI, Getting hired in CS, and CS Tool reviews, ensuring our listeners stay ahead of the curve in this fast-evolving field. The roadmap ahead is laden with engaging dialogues with yet more industry mavens, aimed at equipping you with the acumen to excel in your customer success journey.At “The Customer Success Playbook,” our zeal for aiding others and disseminating our expertise to the community fuels our endeavor. Embark on this enlightening voyage with us, and escalate your customer success game to unparalleled levels.Join us on this quest for knowledge, engage with a community of like-minded professionals, and elevate your customer success game to the next level. Your journey towards mastering customer success begins here, at “The Customer Success Playbook.” Keep On Playing!!
Latest episodes

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Jan 10, 2025 • 10min
CSP S3 E3 - Roman Trebon - AI as a Customer Success Assistant
Discover how AI tools, especially ChatGPT, can revolutionize customer success operations. Learn innovative strategies for using AI in strategic planning and team dynamics. Explore the transformative power of AI in optimizing meetings with automated transcription and personalized communication styles. Gain insights on refining ideas through iterative questioning and feedback, creating a smarter, more adaptable customer success framework for the future.

Jan 8, 2025 • 10min
CSP S3 E2 - Roman Trebon - Never waste time again!
Send us a textIn this dynamic episode of the Customer Success Playbook, Roman Trebon shares essential strategies for maximizing meeting effectiveness in 2025. He addresses the common challenge of calendar congestion and provides actionable frameworks for ensuring meetings deliver real value. From implementing clear agendas to managing attendee lists strategically, Roman offers practical solutions to transform meeting culture and boost productivity.Detailed AnalysisThis episode delves deep into the transformation of meeting efficiency, a critical challenge facing business teams in 2025. Roman Trebon presents a comprehensive approach to meeting management that combines strategic planning with practical execution.The discussion centers around several key principles:Agenda-First Approach: Roman emphasizes the fundamental importance of having clear agendas before any meeting takes place. Without a defined purpose and structure, meetings risk becoming unfocused and unproductive.Objective-Driven Framework: A noteworthy practice shared is the use of a simple yet powerful question: "How will I know when the objective of this meeting has been met?" This creates clarity and purpose for all participants.Selective Attendance: The episode challenges the common practice of over-inviting participants to meetings. Roman advocates for a more targeted approach, ensuring only essential contributors are present.Time Management Protocol: The discussion addresses the importance of staying on topic and managing meeting time effectively, including the need to park tangential discussions for separate conversations.Standardized Meeting Frameworks: Roman proposes implementing consistent meeting structures across organizations to create predictability and efficiency.The episode concludes with practical implementation strategies, including applying the "keep, kill, or start" framework to existing meeting schedules. This systematic approach helps teams eliminate unnecessary meetings while prioritizing those that deliver genuine value.For business leaders and team managers, this episode provides actionable insights to transform meeting culture and reclaim productive time. The strategies presented are particularly relevant in today's hybrid work environment, where effective meeting management is crucial for maintaining team productivity and engagement.Now you can interact with us directly by leaving a voice message at https://www.speakpipe.com/CustomerSuccessPlaybookPlease Like, Comment, Share and Subscribe. You can also find the CS Playbook Podcast:YouTube - @CustomerSuccessPlaybookPodcastTwitter - @CS_PlaybookYou can find Kevin at:Metzgerbusiness.com - Kevin's person web siteKevin Metzger on Linked In.You can find Roman at:Roman Trebon on Linked In.

Jan 6, 2025 • 7min
CSP - S3 E1 - Roman Trebon - Keep, Kill, Start
Send us a textIn this inaugural episode of Season 3, co-host Roman Trebon introduces the powerful Keep, Kill, Start framework for driving continuous improvement in both personal and professional contexts. This strategic approach helps teams and individuals identify what's working, what needs to be eliminated, and what new initiatives should be implemented for optimal success in 2025.Detailed AnalysisThe episode delves into the practical application of the Keep, Kill, Start framework across multiple organizational levels. Roman Trebon presents this methodology as a versatile tool that can drive meaningful change in both virtual and in-person team environments. The discussion highlights several critical business insights:Organizational Adaptation: The framework provides a structured approach to organizational change management, allowing teams to systematically evaluate and evolve their processes.Virtual Team Dynamics: The episode addresses the unique challenges of maintaining team cohesion in remote work environments, emphasizing the importance of intentional relationship-building beyond task-focused interactions.Implementation Strategy: Trebon emphasizes the critical nature of follow-through, recommending quarterly check-ins to ensure accountability and maintain momentum on identified changes.Cultural Integration: The discussion demonstrates how personal and professional development can be integrated through a single framework, promoting holistic growth and sustainable change.Resource Optimization: By explicitly identifying elements to eliminate ("kill"), the framework helps organizations address the common pitfall of continually adding new initiatives without removing outdated ones.Business ApplicationsThe Keep, Kill, Start framework presents several practical applications for business leaders:Strategic Planning: Use the framework to evaluate and refine organizational processesTeam Development: Apply the methodology in both individual and group settingsChange Management: Implement structured approaches to organizational evolutionResource Allocation: Make informed decisions about where to invest time and resourcesPerformance Optimization: Regularly assess and adjust operational effectivenessNow you can interact with us directly by leaving a voice message at https://www.speakpipe.com/CustomerSuccessPlaybookPlease Like, Comment, Share and Subscribe. You can also find the CS Playbook Podcast:YouTube - @CustomerSuccessPlaybookPodcastTwitter - @CS_PlaybookYou can find Kevin at:Metzgerbusiness.com - Kevin's person web siteKevin Metzger on Linked In.You can find Roman at:Roman Trebon on Linked In.

Dec 26, 2024 • 12min
CS Playbook Podcast Season 2 Episode 51 - Happy New Year from Kevin and Roman
Send us a textExecutive SummaryIn this reflective year-end episode, hosts Roman Trebon and Kevin Metzger look back on their successful second year of the CS Playbook Podcast while unveiling exciting changes for 2025. The discussion highlights their growth journey, reaching broader audiences, and their strategic pivot towards examining customer success through a comprehensive business lens.Detailed AnalysisThe episode reveals key strategic developments and business insights:Growth and EvolutionThe podcast has experienced consistent audience growth across platforms including LinkedIn and YouTubeSuccessfully conducted approximately 30 guest interviews throughout 2024Demonstrated market validation through increasing engagement and listener statisticsStrategic Direction for 2025The hosts announced significant format changes focused on:Exploring customer success as a business-wide mindset rather than just a departmental functionExamining interconnections between customer success and other business units (Finance, Procurement, Sales)Introducing shorter, more focused segments to enhance content accessibilityExpanding scope to include broader business perspectives while maintaining customer success focusBusiness ImpactThe podcast's evolution reflects broader industry trends in customer success:Recognition of customer success as an organization-wide responsibilityGrowing importance of cross-functional collaboration in delivering customer valueShift towards more integrated, business-centric approaches to customer successEmphasis on practical, actionable insights for business professionalsPlease Like, Comment, Share and Subscribe. You can also find the CS Playbook Podcast:YouTube - @CustomerSuccessPlaybookPodcastTwitter - @CS_PlaybookYou can find Kevin at:Metzgerbusiness.com - Kevin's person web siteKevin Metzger on Linked In.You can find Roman at:Roman Trebon on Linked In.

Dec 10, 2024 • 30min
Customer Success Playbook Season 2 Episode 50 - Kevin McCahill - EQ In CS
Send us a textIn this illuminating episode of the Customer Success Playbook Podcast, Kevin McCahill, founder of MasteryCX, joins hosts Roman Trebon and Kevin Metzger to explore the fundamental role of emotional intelligence (EQ) in customer success. With over 20 years of experience in customer success and leadership, McCahill shares deep insights into how EQ shapes customer relationships, drives business outcomes, and becomes increasingly valuable in an AI-driven future.Key Insights and AnalysisThe Foundation of Emotional Intelligence in CSMcCahill defines emotional intelligence as understanding and managing both your own emotions and those of others, emphasizing its critical role in customer interactions. He explains that while often labeled as a "soft skill," EQ is one of the most impactful competencies in customer success, directly influencing customer retention, satisfaction, and business outcomes.Measuring EQ ImpactThe discussion reveals concrete ways to measure EQ's business impact through:Customer retention ratesNPS scoresTime to Value (TTV)Team performance metricsCross-functional collaboration effectivenessMcCahill shares a compelling case study where implementing EQ-focused strategies transformed negative NPS scores to an average of 40, demonstrating the quantifiable impact of emotional intelligence initiatives.Implementation StrategiesThe podcast outlines practical approaches for developing EQ within teams:Regular training sessions incorporating role-playing exercisesCreating safe environments for sharing experiences and learningsLeading by example across all organizational levelsIntegrating EQ principles into cross-functional communicationsBuilding self-awareness through structured feedbackThe AI EvolutionA significant portion of the discussion focuses on EQ's evolving role alongside AI advancement. McCahill argues that human emotional intelligence becomes more valuable as automation increases, suggesting that:EQ will be a key differentiator for career advancementHuman-AI collaboration will require enhanced emotional intelligencePersonalization will blend AI capabilities with human empathyCompanies must balance automation with authentic human connectionBusiness ImplicationsThe episode underscores that organizations investing in EQ development can expect:Improved customer retention and satisfactionEnhanced team performance and collaborationBetter cross-functional relationshipsIncreased competitive advantage in an AI-driven landscapeHigher employee career progression and satisfactionKevin's offeringPlease Like, Comment, Share and Subscribe. You can also find the CS Playbook Podcast:YouTube - @CustomerSuccessPlaybookPodcastTwitter - @CS_PlaybookYou can find Kevin at:Metzgerbusiness.com - Kevin's person web siteKevin Metzger on Linked In.You can find Roman at:Roman Trebon on Linked In.

Dec 3, 2024 • 43min
Customer Success Playbook Season 2 Episode 49 - Dan Jourdan - Let's Talk Sales
Send us a textIn this episode of the Customer Success Playbook podcast, host Kevin Metzger interviews Dan Jourdan, VP of Business Development at Outsource Access and renowned sales energizer. The conversation explores the profound connection between sales and customer success, emphasizing how authentic relationships and human connections drive business growth. Dan shares his philosophy that sales is "the most noble profession" and discusses how genuine relationship-building transforms transactional interactions into lasting partnerships.Key Themes and Business Insights1. The Noble Nature of SalesSales as a path to financial independence through serving multiple customers rather than a single employerThe importance of focusing on customer outcomes rather than just immediate needsBuilding authentic relationships as the foundation of successful sales2. Customer-Centric ApproachUnderstanding and aligning with customer goals as the primary focusKeeping customer outcomes "front and center" throughout the sales processThe significance of following through rather than just following up3. Cross-Functional CollaborationThe vital importance of sales and customer success teams working togetherRegular communication between teams to ensure customer satisfactionUsing shared knowledge to drive better customer outcomes4. Personal Development and Professional SuccessThe connection between personal accountability and professional achievementThe importance of setting and tracking goalsBuilding and maintaining professional networks as a career asset5. AI and Human Connection in Modern SalesLeveraging AI for efficiency while maintaining human relationshipsUsing technology for research and initial contact while preserving personal touchThe continuing importance of human creativity and relationship-buildingKevin's offeringPlease Like, Comment, Share and Subscribe. You can also find the CS Playbook Podcast:YouTube - @CustomerSuccessPlaybookPodcastTwitter - @CS_PlaybookYou can find Kevin at:Metzgerbusiness.com - Kevin's person web siteKevin Metzger on Linked In.You can find Roman at:Roman Trebon on Linked In.

Nov 26, 2024 • 36min
Customer Success Playbook Season 2 Episode 48 - Joydeep Sen Sarma - Supporting Customers in Their Perferred Workspace
Send us a textIn this engaging episode of the Customer Success Playbook, Joydeep Sen Sarma, CEO of Clearfeed, dives into how B2B customer support is evolving towards chat-based platforms like Slack and Microsoft Teams. He talks about how today’s support teams are adapting to meet customers right where they work, offering practical tips on how to implement and scale these new solutions while keeping service quality high.Here's a deeper look at some of the key takeaways:Shifting Support ParadigmsMoving from transactional support to building true partnershipsEmbracing the generational shift towards chat-based communicationTransforming support from just a cost to a real growth driverChallenges and SolutionsIntegrating new tools with existing ticketing systemsKeeping response times consistent across all channelsFinding the right mix of automation and human touchUsing AI to make responses faster and more accurateBusiness ImpactMaking support more accessible and engaging for customersCutting down response times, with some teams now offering 15-minute guaranteesDifferentiating from competitors through a standout support experienceOpening doors for deeper partnership opportunitiesLooking AheadAI-powered support that helps teams respond fasterBlending structured and unstructured data for richer insightsThe evolution of knowledge management and automatic documentationJoydeep brings a fresh perspective on how B2B support is changing and what companies need to do to stay ahead. It’s a conversation packed with insights for anyone looking to modernize their customer support strategy.Kevin's offeringPlease Like, Comment, Share and Subscribe. You can also find the CS Playbook Podcast:YouTube - @CustomerSuccessPlaybookPodcastTwitter - @CS_PlaybookYou can find Kevin at:Metzgerbusiness.com - Kevin's person web siteKevin Metzger on Linked In.You can find Roman at:Roman Trebon on Linked In.

Nov 19, 2024 • 15min
Customer Success Playbook Season 2 Episode 47 - Kevin and Roman Gratitude and Reflect on the year
Send us a textIn this reflective episode, hosts Roman Trebon and Kevin Metzger share insights from their podcast's successful year, highlighting the growth of their audience to over 5,000 monthly downloads and the expanding influence of their platform in the customer success community. They discuss the evolving nature of customer success, emphasizing its transformation from a departmental function to a company-wide imperative, and reveal their plans to broaden their guest roster beyond traditional CS roles in 2025.Detailed AnalysisGrowth and Community ImpactAchieved milestone of 5,000 downloads in October 2023Received unsolicited mentions on Reddit and LinkedInFeatured numerous Customer Success 100 honorees as guestsBuilt strong connections within the Atlanta customer success communityDemonstrated organic growth through community engagement and word-of-mouth recommendationsIndustry Insights and TrendsRevenue-Driven CS Departments Evolution of CS departments toward revenue-based KPIsShift from cost centers to revenue generatorsIntegration of success metrics with business outcomesCross-Functional Success Recognition of customer success as an organization-wide responsibilityImportance of aligning all departments (Finance, Marketing, Product) with customer success goalsImpact of operational efficiency on customer satisfactionCommunity Development Growth of local CS communities through various engagement formatsImportance of networking and knowledge sharingValue of maintaining professional connections beyond podcast appearancesFuture DirectionPlans to expand guest roster beyond traditional CS roles in 2025Focus on cross-departmental perspectives on customer successCommitment to showcasing diverse viewpoints and experiencesPlease Like, Comment, Share and Subscribe. You can also find the CS Playbook Podcast:YouTube - @CustomerSuccessPlaybookPodcastTwitter - @CS_PlaybookYou can find Kevin at:Metzgerbusiness.com - Kevin's person web siteKevin Metzger on Linked In.You can find Roman at:Roman Trebon on Linked In.

Nov 12, 2024 • 27min
Customer Success Playbook Season 2 Episode 46 - Dickey Singh - Cast.app - CS AI Agents
Dickey Singh, CEO and founder of Cast.app, is at the forefront of integrating AI agents into customer success. He shares how these AI tools can automate routine tasks, allowing customer success managers to focus on strategic initiatives. The conversation highlights transformative success stories, like Pure Storage's impressive revenue boost. They also discuss innovative data security measures to protect sensitive information while leveraging AI. Plus, listeners will enjoy a lighthearted segment where Singh reveals personal quirks and favorite foods.

Nov 7, 2024 • 7min
Customer Success Playbook - Postgame - Brian Powers -AI in the callcenter s2 E45
Send us a textIn this illuminating episode of Customer Success Playbook (S2E45), industry veteran Brian Powers shares his extensive insights on the transformation of call centers through AI integration. With 25 years of experience, Powers presents a compelling vision of how artificial intelligence is revolutionizing customer service operations. The discussion challenges the common misconception that AI will replace human agents, instead highlighting how it's enabling an evolution in customer service roles and capabilities.Detailed AnalysisThe Evolution of Call Center OperationsPowers provides a historical perspective, drawing parallels between current AI adoption and previous technological transitions like e-commerce. He emphasizes that, similar to past innovations, AI represents an evolution rather than extinction for call center operations. The technology is fundamentally changing how customer service is delivered, creating new roles and opportunities rather than eliminating jobs.Key Transformations in Agent RolesUpskilling Opportunities: AI is enabling agents to transition from routine tasks to more complex problem-solving and relationship-building rolesEmergence of New Positions: The rise of "conversational engineering" as a specialized fieldReal-time AI Assistance: Implementation of AI systems that provide agents with instant access to customer history, suggested responses, and de-escalation strategiesQuality Assurance Evolution: Transition from spot-checking to continuous, AI-powered call analysis and feedbackStrategic Implementation ConsiderationsPowers emphasizes the importance of:Realistic resource allocation and timeline planningThorough vendor evaluation to avoid "vaporware"Integration of robust cybersecurity measuresDevelopment of clear ethical guidelines for AI usageImplementation of independent system auditsCustomer education regarding data usageFuture Outlook: The Age of AssistanceThe discussion concludes with a vision of the future centered on:Proactive customer service deliveryEnhanced personalization capabilitiesBalanced integration of AI and human touchFocus on customer empowerment through technologyPlease Like, Comment, Share and Subscribe. You can also find the CS Playbook Podcast:YouTube - @CustomerSuccessPlaybookPodcastTwitter - @CS_PlaybookYou can find Kevin at:Metzgerbusiness.com - Kevin's person web siteKevin Metzger on Linked In.You can find Roman at:Roman Trebon on Linked In.