
Internet of Humans, with Jillian York and Konstantinos Komaitis. Edited by Javier Pallero.
There is something profoundly human about the Internet, its infrastructure. The ability of people to join without permission and innovate, the ability of actors to act independently, yet obey to certain standards and the ability to provide the services that allow people to communicate - are all features of a very human technology. At the same time, beyond this heavy machinery, humans feed the Internet constantly with data that affects their lives and those of others. While we talk about issues of speech in the Internet, we rarely pose to consider the impact speech suppression has on humans.
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Dec 5, 2022 • 46min
Anriette Esterhuysen
In this episode, Jillian and I talk with Anriette Esterhuysen, former Chair of the Multistakeholder Advisory Group (MAG) of the Internet Governance Forum (IGF) and former executive director of the Association for Progressive Communications (APC). We discuss a variety of issues, including the future of the Internet Governance Forum, the upcoming World Summit on Information Society (WSIS) and what it means for the future of the Internet and the IGF, human rights and the role of civil society in Africa.
This episode is edited by Javier Pallero.

Nov 4, 2022 • 21min
A Special Conversation about Alaa Abd El Fattah
There is nothing normal with the case of Alaa Abd El Fattah, arguably Egypt’s highest profile political prisoner. This episode is a special one - I chat with Jillian who has met Alaa and they are friends. In light of the upcoming United Nations Climate Change Conference, which starts on Sunday and is hosted by Egypt, it important that the case of Alaa remains front and centre.
In our conversation, Jillian remembers meeting Alaa, his role during the Arab Spring, his contribution to the Internet and what his current state is.
There is an ongoing campaign for Alaa -- #FreeAlaa! We can all help him by continuing to mention his name!

Nov 1, 2022 • 49min
Mahsa Alimardani and Nima Fatemi
In this episode, Jillian and I talk to Mahsa Alimardani and Nima Fatemi. Mahsa is an Internet researcher, looking at the intersection of technology and human rights, particularly in Iran; Nima is an activist and security researcher as well as the founding director of Kandoo, a nonprofit organization dedicated to empowering civil society and vulnerable populations through educational and information security services.
In our discussion, Mahsa and Nima take us through the protests in Iran and what makes this movement different, both on the ground and digitally, the role of sanctions, how the Internet and social media have facilitated or prohibited people on the ground, how they understanding digital human rights, and the role technology companies, big and small, have been playing and can play in Iran.
This episode was edited by Javier Pallero.

Oct 12, 2022 • 46min
Javier Pallero
Season 2 of the Internet of Humans podcast starts with Javier Pallero, Access Now's International Policy Director. We discuss about the future of the internet in a world of increasing internet shutdowns, internet infrastructure and content moderation, civil society and inclusion in the digital rights space.

Aug 2, 2022 • 50min
Chris Riley
In this episode, we talk to Chris Riley, a global internet policy and technology executive. We talked about disruption and the internet, user agency, platform moderation and competition policy. As Mozilla's former director for public policy, we also talked a bit about the fight for freedom and where things currently stand. Finally, we discussed a bit his concept of "modularity" in the context of platform accountability, which he is currently researching. You can see Chris writing: https://www.rstreet.org/team/chris-riley/

Jul 12, 2022 • 42min
Episode 8: Amanda Bennett
After the United States Supreme Court overturned Roe v Wade, abortion rights have become centre in American politics. One of the main concerns is the role technology and, the internet in general, can play in this new world, especially when it comes to issues of privacy and security. In this episode, we talk with Amanda Bennett, who works at the Digital Defense Fund, an organisation established in 2017 in response to the increased need for security and technology resources in the abortion rights movement after the 2016 election.
Here are some of the links for organisations Amanda mentions:
Midwest Access Coalition: https://midwestaccesscoalition.org
Online Abortion Resource Squad: https://abortionsquad.org
https://www.ineedana.com
Repro Legal Helpline: https://www.reprolegalhelpline.org
National Association for Pregnant Women: https://twitter.com/NAPW

Jun 23, 2022 • 10min
Special Episode: Hello! My Name is the Internet...
In this special episode of the Internet of Human, Jillian York narrates what would the Internet say if it had a voice. The story is based on an oped by me, Konstantinos Komaitis for the Tech Policy Press, available https://techpolicy.press/my-name-is-the-internet/.

Jun 6, 2022 • 44min
Episode 7: Heather Burns
In this episode, Konstantinos and Jillian speak with Heather Burns about the Online Safety Bill in the United Kingdom. The Bill, which has been promoted as the one to make the UK the safest place to be online, has received significant criticism about the way it undermines human rights as well as important security protocols. Heather elaborates on these issues as well as why she believes the Online Safety Bill is the UK's "Internet Brexit" moment, why she has called the bill the "Nick Clegg law" and what she believes the future of the UK will be after the passage of the Bill.

May 2, 2022 • 50min
Episode 6: Dia Kayyali
In this episode, we talk with Dia Kayyali, a digital rights activist and researcher who currently serves as the Associate Director for Advocacy at Mnemonic. We touched on several issues, from extremism content online to community organising and, of course, Elon Musk and Twitter. Dia is an expert on content moderation focusing on marginalised communities and they have spent many years talking about the outsized impact that content moderation has on such communities.

Feb 1, 2022 • 41min
Episode 5: Mike Masnick
In this episode, Konstantinos and Jillian speak with Mike Masnick, founder & editor of the popular TechDirt blog as well as the founder of the Silicon Valley think tank, the Copia Institute. During the discussion we touched on a range of issues, including Internet regulation, focusing on the Internet's infrastructure, big tech and how it shapes much of the current regulation and we also tried to do some predictions for the future.
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