Sense-Making in a Changing World

It is my absolute pleasure to welcome my friend, Scott Williams, UN Advisor, author, marathon runner, Warm Data host and explorer of right relationship to the Sense-making in a Changing World Show. Scott is a fellow Australian who is based in Geneva, Switzerland.  He is fully immersed in the world of nurturing transformational and regenerative development addressing the biggest issues of our time, right in the heart of global governance. He holds a deep understanding of how the UN and global monetary systems work, and is part of high level working and advisory groups. Recently during a Warm Data conversation he mentioned the structural global monetary inequities at play that effect the majority world. Because for decades I have been actively involved in community-based work in the Global South, including refugee settlements,  I was intrigued to find out more. I am grateful to Scott for taking the time to explain the global economic system to me, and explore ways of nurturing the conditions for the kind of change we need in the world today. To bring balance into his world, Scott spends a lot of time in nature, and runs (a lot!!). He has run more than 80 marathons and ultra-marathons. But he also loves to slow down and spend time at his local community garden growing food. We are both Warm Data (online People Need People) hosts. Recently Scott led the global Zero-Step Warm Data Prototype Sprint as part of the UNDP High-Level Energy talks and the10,000 Communities project of the Club of Rome . I was one of the pod leaders in this, with my daughter.  Actually, we both have daughters called Maia, who meet regularly in youth Warm Data conversations.Next time we meet, we are going to turn the tables, and Scott is going to interview me about permaculture. I look forward to that.Watch the youtube conversation here.________________________________Download this list of 10 of Morag'sI'd love to hear from you. Text me here.Support the show_____________________________ Subscribe to this podcast, share widely, leave a comment and a 5 star review to help these stories myceliate far. Check out the Sense-Making in a Changing World podcast website & Youtube channel This podcast is hosted by Morag Gamble, founder of the Permaculture Education Institute - the leading-edge international online school for integrated permaculture design, education, leadership and [pr]activism.⁠ Save 50% on Morag Gamble's Permaculture Educators Complete Collection (available only 7-31 Jan, 2026) Talk with Morag here about this program. Find more of Morag's conversations at the International Permaculture Festival of Wild Ideas.This podcast is broadcast from a solar powered studio in the midst of a permaculture ecovillage on Jinibara & Gubbi Gubbi country.

Join me in conversation this week on the Sense-Making in a Changing World podcast with fellow permaculture educator, Caroline Aitken who lives on the edge of Dartmoor in England. For the past couple of years, Caroline has led the development of the first ever regenerative food and farming undergraduate and Masters program in the UK, and it has just opened at the innovative ecological university, Schumacher College. Caroline has designed the program to give students opportunity to explore leading-edge alternatives to mainstream agricultural practices and food systems, to visit leading local regenerative farms, get growing too.It's fabulous to hear how permaculture is being woven so intricately through some of the most innovative programs in the world. I was delighted to catch up with Caroline to hear all about it, and thrilled to be able to share this conversation with you here.Caroline apprenticed as a permaculture teacher with UK permaculture pioneer and author, Patrick Whitefield, and after his passing, carried on his work. In our chat, Caroline mentioned these books:​- The Earth Care Manual by Patrick Whitefield- Food from your Forest Garden by Caroline Aitken- A Small farm Future by Chris Smaje- Farming on the Wild Side by Nancy J Hayden and John P Haydenand these regenerative food and farming organisations:- Food in Community CIC- Huxhams Cross Farm- Dartington Mill- The Land Workers Alliance- La Via Campesina- The Ecological Land Co-operativePlus these links too:- Dartington Learning and Schumacher College Live Chat online events- Farming for the Future Podcasts- Chelsea Green Publishing youtube channelWatch the youtube version here________________________________Download this I'd love to hear from you. Text me here.Support the show_____________________________ Subscribe to this podcast, share widely, leave a comment and a 5 star review to help these stories myceliate far. Check out the Sense-Making in a Changing World podcast website & Youtube channel This podcast is hosted by Morag Gamble, founder of the Permaculture Education Institute - the leading-edge international online school for integrated permaculture design, education, leadership and [pr]activism.⁠ Save 50% on Morag Gamble's Permaculture Educators Complete Collection (available only 7-31 Jan, 2026) Talk with Morag here about this program. Find more of Morag's conversations at the International Permaculture Festival of Wild Ideas.This podcast is broadcast from a solar powered studio in the midst of a permaculture ecovillage on Jinibara & Gubbi Gubbi country.

Join me and Dr Millie Rooney as we dive into her explorations of the kinds of future people want and the new stories people are imagining.Millie is the National Coordinator for Australia reMADE, a vision-based collaboration of everyday people and community leaders working to build a country where people and planet come first. As a kid she spent hours collecting toothbrushes outside supermarkets for Gulf War refugees and, although wasn’t allowed to watch movies for fear of scary themes like ‘divorce’, was aware from a young age of scarier things like ‘war’. As a result Millie’s dream was to become a butterfly dancer on stilts, catch the eye of a journalist and make it to the front page of the paper so that there could be some good news for once. Is it any surprise she ended up involved in Australia reMADE?Millie grew up in Canberra on Ngunnawal country and although now calls Tasmania home, she misses the dry scrappy dirt, the warble of the magpies and the smooth, flat bike paths.Millie has worked as an environment officer at both the Australian National University and the University of Tasmania. She has constantly worked off the principle of ‘delight not fright’ which has resulted in Celebrate Sustainability Days, visions for student-led campus transformation and an award winning student sustainability internship program.Millie’s PhD was an exploration into the social norms that determine our ability as Australian’s to share, or not, with our neighbours. Some of the programs of Australia ReMADERemakerUPublic GoodOther interesting links Millie suggests you look at:The Leap ManifestoCompassion LineThe Transnational Institute  ________________________________Download this list of 10 of Morag's favourite books.I'd love to hear from you. Text me here.Support the show_____________________________ Subscribe to this podcast, share widely, leave a comment and a 5 star review to help these stories myceliate far. Check out the Sense-Making in a Changing World podcast website & Youtube channel This podcast is hosted by Morag Gamble, founder of the Permaculture Education Institute - the leading-edge international online school for integrated permaculture design, education, leadership and [pr]activism.⁠ Save 50% on Morag Gamble's Permaculture Educators Complete Collection (available only 7-31 Jan, 2026) Talk with Morag here about this program. Find more of Morag's conversations at the International Permaculture Festival of Wild Ideas.This podcast is broadcast from a solar powered studio in the midst of a permaculture ecovillage on Jinibara & Gubbi Gubbi country.

I had such fun with this episode of Sense-Making in a Changing World.  I am joined by my great friend Suzie Cahn, a leader from the Irish permaculture world and active in permaculture education globally. She is an adventurous teacher who's worked with communities from Mongolia to Belize.  Back in 2008, Suzie and her husband Mike  established  Carraig Dúlra -  social enterprise, community education,  nature connection and permaculture hub in County Wicklow and is exploring her Irish indigeneity through this lens.Suzie and I met at a climate change conference in Findhorn Scotland a few years back and just clicked.  She coordinates a Climate Justice Centre in Ireland piloting community-led approaches to Climate Action and  is active in ECOLISE (the European network for community-led initiatives on climate change and sustainability).  She deeply involved in the transition and permaculture movementsYou can hear her speak about her many threads of interest in her own podcast Cailleach (you'll hear this episode there too - we did the beautiful multi-functional permaculture thing and interviewed each other!)You can also catch the youtube version of this conversation here.________________________________Download this list of 10 of Morag's favourite books.Morag's 4 part introduction to permaculture video series.________________________________FIND OUT MORE ABOUT PERMACULTUREJoin me to learn more about permaculture. Come and explore the many free permaculture resources my Our Permaculture Life Youtube channel  and blog .The world needs more permaculture teachers everywhere sharing local ways of one planet living, regenerative design and growing, and working toward a climate-safe future. Being or becoming a local grower - on a farm or in your backyard - is crI'd love to hear from you. Text me here.Support the show_____________________________ Subscribe to this podcast, share widely, leave a comment and a 5 star review to help these stories myceliate far. Check out the Sense-Making in a Changing World podcast website & Youtube channel This podcast is hosted by Morag Gamble, founder of the Permaculture Education Institute - the leading-edge international online school for integrated permaculture design, education, leadership and [pr]activism.⁠ Save 50% on Morag Gamble's Permaculture Educators Complete Collection (available only 7-31 Jan, 2026) Talk with Morag here about this program. Find more of Morag's conversations at the International Permaculture Festival of Wild Ideas.This podcast is broadcast from a solar powered studio in the midst of a permaculture ecovillage on Jinibara & Gubbi Gubbi country.

In this episode of Sense-Making in a Changing World, I am excited to share with you my conversation with one-acre permaculture farmer, Brett Cooper from Limestone Permaculture in Stroud, NSW.Brett and his family moved from the city and busy full time jobs and health issues to this country property. They now source their entire income from their beautifully designed small-scale permaculture farm with 11 sources of income - including food, courses, tours, accommodation, consulting and very importantly - the gift economy. Listen in & be inspired by the transition story Brett shares. It is such a wonderful story - motivating, uplifting and enabling!You can also Limestone Permaculture on Youtube - made by Happen Films.And check out these links:Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/LimestonePermaculture/Simply Homesteading Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/SimplyHomesteading.NiciYoutube: https://www.youtube.com/user/0zDigga/videosInstagram: @limestone_permacultureYou can also catch the youtube version of this conversation here.________________________________Download this list of 10 of Morag's favourite books.Morag's 4 part introduction to permaculture video series.________________________________FIND OUT MORE ABOUT PERMACULTUREJoin me to learn more about permaculture. Come and explore the many free permaculture resources my Our Permaculture Life Youtube channel  and blog .The world needs more permaculture teachers everywhere sharing local ways of one planet living, regenerative design and growing, and working toward a climate-safe future. Being or becoming a local grower - on a farm or in your backyard - is critically important, as is supporting local regenerative growers to supplement yI'd love to hear from you. Text me here.Support the show_____________________________ Subscribe to this podcast, share widely, leave a comment and a 5 star review to help these stories myceliate far. Check out the Sense-Making in a Changing World podcast website & Youtube channel This podcast is hosted by Morag Gamble, founder of the Permaculture Education Institute - the leading-edge international online school for integrated permaculture design, education, leadership and [pr]activism.⁠ Save 50% on Morag Gamble's Permaculture Educators Complete Collection (available only 7-31 Jan, 2026) Talk with Morag here about this program. Find more of Morag's conversations at the International Permaculture Festival of Wild Ideas.This podcast is broadcast from a solar powered studio in the midst of a permaculture ecovillage on Jinibara & Gubbi Gubbi country.

My guest in this episode of Sense-Making in a Changing World is Brisbane-based author, Geoff Ebbs. His latest book is Your Life, Your Planet  published by Australian Geographic.  Over the decades as a dedicated environmental activist, he has many ways of explored ways of being a change-maker - politician, comedian, lecturer, author, engineer, actor, radio host (and guest) .... Since 2005 he has been curating an online news site, The Generator.news His focus in Your Life, Your Planet is about building a community of earth care [pr]activists . The book is a toolkit full of tips that will help you to reduce your environmental footprint and live well. Our conversation focussed on the many ways of 'being the change.' Enjoy.Catch the youtube version here.________________________________Download this list of 10 of Morag's favourite books.Morag's 4 part introduction to permaculture video series.________________________________FIND OUT MORE ABOUT PERMACULTUREJoin me to learn more about permaculture. Come and explore the many free permaculture resources my Our Permaculture Life Youtube channel  and blog .The world needs more permaculture teachers everywhere sharing local ways of one planet living, and working toward a climate-safe future through design, resilience and connection. For you that may be through story, comedy, politics, writing, teaching . Whatever the way that moves you to speak up and share, I wholeheartedly encourage.I invite you to join the Permaculture Educators Program with others from 6 continents to explore ways of being the change and creating the conditioI'd love to hear from you. Text me here.Support the show_____________________________ Subscribe to this podcast, share widely, leave a comment and a 5 star review to help these stories myceliate far. Check out the Sense-Making in a Changing World podcast website & Youtube channel This podcast is hosted by Morag Gamble, founder of the Permaculture Education Institute - the leading-edge international online school for integrated permaculture design, education, leadership and [pr]activism.⁠ Save 50% on Morag Gamble's Permaculture Educators Complete Collection (available only 7-31 Jan, 2026) Talk with Morag here about this program. Find more of Morag's conversations at the International Permaculture Festival of Wild Ideas.This podcast is broadcast from a solar powered studio in the midst of a permaculture ecovillage on Jinibara & Gubbi Gubbi country.

It is my absolute delight to welcome Jonathan Dawson to the Sense-Making in a Changing World show. Jonathan is Program Lead of the Masters of Regenerative Economics at Schumacher College in England. Jonathan & I met many years ago here at Crystal Waters Ecovillage visiting with my friend, Amanda Cahill CEO, The Next Economy. Jonathon was for many years the president of the Global Ecovillage Network & a long time resident of Findhorn.  Jonathan kindly hosted my family at his community in Totnes, UK.  He is author of Gaia Education's UNITAR endorsed Sustainable Economics Curriculum drawn from best practice with ecovillages globally - a curriculum adopted by UNESCO. He is also author of Schumacher Briefing 12  Ecovillages: New Frontiers for Sustainability, Green Books, 2015, & has worked in small enterprise development in Africa & South Asia.You can watch the youtube version of the podcast here.PERMACULTURE AS TRANSFORMATIVE EDUCATIONIn my twenties, I studied at Schumacher College, the integrated way of learning in community was so inspiring & transformative.  I have since taught at the College a number of times - most recently with Jonathan as part of a short course called Beyond Development . The head heart & hands learning experience that I experienced there as a young woman is what I weave into the fabric of my face-to-face courses & the online Permaculture Educators Program.I'd love to hear from you. Text me here.Support the show_____________________________ Subscribe to this podcast, share widely, leave a comment and a 5 star review to help these stories myceliate far. Check out the Sense-Making in a Changing World podcast website & Youtube channel This podcast is hosted by Morag Gamble, founder of the Permaculture Education Institute - the leading-edge international online school for integrated permaculture design, education, leadership and [pr]activism.⁠ Save 50% on Morag Gamble's Permaculture Educators Complete Collection (available only 7-31 Jan, 2026) Talk with Morag here about this program. Find more of Morag's conversations at the International Permaculture Festival of Wild Ideas.This podcast is broadcast from a solar powered studio in the midst of a permaculture ecovillage on Jinibara & Gubbi Gubbi country.

In this episode of Sense-Making in a Changing World, it is my delight to welcome Dr Pavel Cenkl, Head of Schumacher College and Director of Learning at Dartington.  We talk about the kind of higher education we need in the world today, and explore the innovative and immersive programs offered at the College - from Holistic Science, Regenerative Food and Farming, Ecological Design Thinking, and more.Pavel has worked for more than two decades in higher education where there is learning with practice and thinking with embodiment. He  has been at the college now for a few years and developing new courses too at the intersection of movement practice, ecological thinking, and environmental philosophy. Pavel is also a passionate endurance and adventure runner. Over the past five years through a project called Climate Run. Pavel has covered hundreds of miles in the Arctic and subarctic on foot to bring attention to the connections between our bodies and the more-than-human world in the face of a rapidly changing climate.Pavel holds a Ph.D. in English and is the author of many articles, chapters, and two books. Most recently he has co-edited a book celebrating the 30th anniversary of Schumacher College with Satish Kumar, Transformative Learning: Reflections on 30 Years of Head, Heart, and Hands at Schumacher College. New Society Publishers, 2021.You can watch the youtube version here.PERMACULTURE AS TRANSFORMATIVE EDUCATIONIn my twenties, I studied at Schumacher College and the integrated way of learning in community was absolutely inspiring and transformative.  I have since taught at the College a number of times. The head heart and hands learning experience that I experienced at the College as a young woman is what I weave into the fabric of the face-to-face courses I create and the Permaculture Educators Program online.Permaculture is education for one planeI'd love to hear from you. Text me here.Support the show_____________________________ Subscribe to this podcast, share widely, leave a comment and a 5 star review to help these stories myceliate far. Check out the Sense-Making in a Changing World podcast website & Youtube channel This podcast is hosted by Morag Gamble, founder of the Permaculture Education Institute - the leading-edge international online school for integrated permaculture design, education, leadership and [pr]activism.⁠ Save 50% on Morag Gamble's Permaculture Educators Complete Collection (available only 7-31 Jan, 2026) Talk with Morag here about this program. Find more of Morag's conversations at the International Permaculture Festival of Wild Ideas.This podcast is broadcast from a solar powered studio in the midst of a permaculture ecovillage on Jinibara & Gubbi Gubbi country.

In this episode of Sense-Making in a Changing World, it is my delight to welcome Willow Berzin - a wonderfully creative designer & thinker, and founder & chief assembler of the Coalition of Everyone. Through this she brings people together to hold conversations that renew trust, disrupt the politics of fear and build a politics of hope. Her key focus is on contributing to regeneration through designing pathways for transition and real systems change - deep democracy which puts people and the planet first.Willow and I are both part of   Regenerative Songlines Australia and she is a core member of Regen Melbourne inspired by Kate Raworth's Doughnut Economics.You can watch the youtube version here.Other projects include:THE FUTURENOW PROJECT REGEN INCUBATOR If you have an idea/s for a regen project that you want to make happen, but are looking for ways to help realise it, please email willow@coalitionofeveryone.com to register your interest to join a new Regen Incubator program, piloting in Melbourne mid year. Willow mentioned these references:Thomas Campbell: My Big Toe (theory of everything)Jeremy Lent: The Patterning InstinctOECD: Catching the Deliberative Wave________________________________Download this list of 10 of Morag's favourite books.I'd love to hear from you. Text me here.Support the show_____________________________ Subscribe to this podcast, share widely, leave a comment and a 5 star review to help these stories myceliate far. Check out the Sense-Making in a Changing World podcast website & Youtube channel This podcast is hosted by Morag Gamble, founder of the Permaculture Education Institute - the leading-edge international online school for integrated permaculture design, education, leadership and [pr]activism.⁠ Save 50% on Morag Gamble's Permaculture Educators Complete Collection (available only 7-31 Jan, 2026) Talk with Morag here about this program. Find more of Morag's conversations at the International Permaculture Festival of Wild Ideas.This podcast is broadcast from a solar powered studio in the midst of a permaculture ecovillage on Jinibara & Gubbi Gubbi country.

It is my pleasure to share with you this Sense-making in a Changing World conversation with Dr Brian von Herzen, the executive director at Climate Foundation, initiator of the marine permaculture movement and member of the Permaculture Education Institute.  Marine permaculture has been featured on the 2040 Movie and in Paul Hawken's latest book, Drawdown. Listen in to find out more about Marine Permaculture - what it is, how it works, what benefits it has for ecosystem restoration and reversing climate change, as well as local livelihoods in the global south and contribution to land-based permaculture systems. Marine permaculture is an innovation in permaculture that has the potential to make a significant contribution. Brian is working closely with permaculture co-founder David Holmgren, to describe how the terrestrial and marine permaculture approaches align, and how the permaculture principles are incorporated into the marine context.You can watch a previous permaculture masterclass that Brian and I made together about Marine Permaculture  (80 min) and also choose to watch this podcast here on youtube.________________________________Download this list of 10 of Morag's favourite books.Morag's 4 part introduction to permaculture video series.________________________________FIND OUT MORE ABOUT PERMACULTUREJoin me to learn more about permaculture. Come and explore the many free permaculture resources my Our Permaculture Life Youtube  and blog .The world needs more permacultI'd love to hear from you. Text me here.Support the show_____________________________ Subscribe to this podcast, share widely, leave a comment and a 5 star review to help these stories myceliate far. Check out the Sense-Making in a Changing World podcast website & Youtube channel This podcast is hosted by Morag Gamble, founder of the Permaculture Education Institute - the leading-edge international online school for integrated permaculture design, education, leadership and [pr]activism.⁠ Save 50% on Morag Gamble's Permaculture Educators Complete Collection (available only 7-31 Jan, 2026) Talk with Morag here about this program. Find more of Morag's conversations at the International Permaculture Festival of Wild Ideas.This podcast is broadcast from a solar powered studio in the midst of a permaculture ecovillage on Jinibara & Gubbi Gubbi country.