Mamamia Out Loud

What happens when three Mamamia Out Loud hosts, a live audience, and a very shiny Apple store come together? Chaos. Joyful chaos. To celebrate 10 years of Mamamia Out Loud (yes, 10!), Mia, Jessie and Holly recorded a special live episode at Apple Sydney — and now, you get to hear it. From how Holly wheedled her way onto the show, to what really goes into choosing our daily topics, and the moments that have stayed with us the most, it’s all here. Hosted by our fantastic friend of the pod Amelia Lester and full of behind-the-scenes tea, this is your backstage pass to a decade of strong opinions, respectful disagreements, and... shoe jewellery. Happy public holiday, Outlouders — this one's a little treat. Support independent women's media Get your tickets to the Mamamia Out Loud Live 2025 All or Nothing Tour Presented By Nivea Cellular  Get your merch for Mamamia Out Loud What to listen to next:  Listen to the latest episode: The Exact Science To Keep On Enjoying Your Job Listen: A Very 2025 Diss Track. No Notes. Listen: Clare Stephens - We Have Questions Listen: A Reality TV Showdown & Coachella's Three Levels Of Cool Listen: I’d Like To Give My Diagnosis Back Listen: The Three Rules For Friendship Catch-Ups Connect your subscription to Apple Podcasts  Sign up to the Mamamia Out Loud Newsletter for all our recommendations and behind-the-scenes content in one place.  What To Read:  Which Mamamia Out Loud host are you? Holly, Mia or Jessie? GET IN TOUCH: Feedback? We’re listening. Send us an email at outloud@mamamia.com.au Share your story, feedback, or dilemma! Send us a voice message Join our Facebook group Mamamia Outlouders to talk about the show. Follow us on Instagram @mamamiaoutloud and on Tiktok @mamamiaoutloud CREDITS: Hosts: Mia Freedman, Jessie Stephens & Holly Wainwright Group Executive Producer: Ruth Devine Executive Producer: Emeline Gazilas Audio Producer: Lu Hill Video Producer: Josh Green  Junior Content Producers: Coco Lavigne & Tessa Kotowicz Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures.Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Em Vernem joins the discussion, bringing insights from her vibrant experiences. They humorously critique the absurdity of an all-female spaceflight that lasted mere minutes, highlighting societal pressures on women's appearance in such contexts. The conversation shifts to the political landscape, examining politicians dropping diss tracks to engage young voters and the effectiveness of using rap in campaigns. Finally, they share recommendations on hobbies, including a surprising success in the Minecraft movie and the joys of exploring libraries.

An ageing Boomer bad boy and a queer 21-year-old multi-millionairess locked in a house together. What could possibly go wrong? Quite a lot actually. Many thoughts. We discuss what happened with Jojo Siwa and Mickey Rourke on Celebrity Big Brother. Plus, there were lots of cool people in the desert this weekend, paying $20 AUD for a 'super duper' shower. That's right, it's Coachella season. As always, the fashion is arguably the main festival headliner, and hosts Holly Wainwright, friend of the pod Em Vernem and the legend that is Clare Stephens, define the different levels of cool within this influencer world.   And, relationships. What do the top five percent of them have in common and why is it so horrifying to Em? Group therapy is in session. The End Bits Support independent women's media Get your tickets to the Mamamia Out Loud Live 2025 All or Nothing Tour Presented By Nivea Cellular  Don't miss out on your merch for Mamamia Out Loud Mamamia wants to hear from you! Complete our survey to go in the running to win one of four $50 gift vouchers. What To Listen To Next:  Listen to our latest episode: I’d Like To Give My Diagnosis Back Listen: The Three Rules For Friendship Catch-Ups Listen: The "Ick" Of Old Friends & The Most Hated Woman On The Internet Listen: "We're Not OK" - The White Lotus Season 3 Finale Listen: The Robert Irwin Undies Theory, Tariffs & 7 Point Dressing Listen: Sex Tips (For Married Women Only) Listen to MID: Rachel Griffiths Took A Sabbatical From Everything Listen to the Spill: A Brutally Honest Review Of The White Lotus Season Three Connect your subscription to Apple Podcasts  Sign up to the Mamamia Out Loud Newsletter for all our recommendations and behind-the-scenes content in one place.  What To Read:  Everything you need to know about the Mamamia Out Loud ALL OR NOTHING TOUR coming May 2025 A helpful guide to all the 'feuds' happening between the White Lotus gang right now. After another 'aggressive' incident, Mickey Rourke has left Celebrity Big Brother. GET IN TOUCH: Feedback? We’re listening. Send us an email at outloud@mamamia.com.au Share your story, feedback, or dilemma! Send us a voice message Join our Facebook group Mamamia Outlouders to talk about the show. Follow us on Instagram @mamamiaoutloud Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures.Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

We're living in the age of diagnosis. But are we about to enter a new era – one of de–diagnosis, where we can give some of our pathologies back? We discuss a new book that's changing the way we see what's wrong with us. Plus, we have some recommendations including a rashie (yes, you read that right) and two fabulous new memoirs about an It Girl and a magazine mogul. And, a Nicole test, a bingle and multiple viewings of a questionable film, plus Jessie's car disaster. It’s Best & Worst.  Support independent women's media Get your tickets to the Mamamia Out Loud Live 2025 All or Nothing Tour Presented By Nivea Cellular  Get your merch for Mamamia Out Loud What to listen to next:  Listen to our latest episode: The Three Rules For Friendship Catch-Ups Listen: The "Ick" Of Old Friends & The Most Hated Woman On The Internet Listen: "We're Not OK" - The White Lotus Season 3 FinaleSubscribe Listen: The Robert Irwin Undies Theory, Tariffs & 7 Point Dressing Listen: Sex Tips (For Married Women Only) Connect your subscription to Apple Podcasts  The End Bits Sign up to the Mamamia Out Loud Newsletter for all our recommendations and behind-the-scenes content in one place.  Recommendations:  Jessie wants you to check out Avaly's black rashie. Holly wants you to read Say Everything: A Memoir By Ione Skye. Amelia wants you to read When The Going Was Good by Graydon Carter. What To Read:  Read: Men will do anything but go to therapy. Read: The Age of Diagnosis by Suzanne O’Sullivan review – do no harm Read: 'A nurse told me I had two years to live. Then I found out the truth.' Read: Edwina Bartholomew has just spoken about her health journey, 3 months after sharing her diagnosis. GET IN TOUCH: Feedback? We’re listening. Send us an email at outloud@mamamia.com.au Share your story, feedback, or dilemma! Send us a voice message Join our Facebook group Mamamia Outlouders to talk about the show. Follow us on Instagram @mamamiaoutloud and on Tiktok @mamamiaoutloud CREDITS: Hosts: Jessie Stephens, Holly Wainwright & Amelia Lester Group Executive Producer: Ruth Devine Executive Producer: Emeline Gazilas Audio Producer: Leah Porges Video Producer: Josh Green Junior Content Producers: Coco Lavigne & Tessa Kotowicz Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures. Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Old friends. After a spotlight was cast upon the female friendship dynamic in The White Lotus Season 3, we have some thoughts. Are old friendships toxic, or are their sometimes fraught, no BS nature the very thing that makes them the most valuable?  Plus, what makes a politician? When Peter Dutton received troubling news minutes before the first Australian Leaders debate, a subsequent discussion emerged. When does a personal crisis trump the requirements of a role and exactly what does it take to be a leader?  Finally, astroturfing. No, this doesn't relate to Holly's garden but the manufacturing of public smear campaigns against celebrities, disguised as organic content. Holly, Jessie and friend of the pod Amelia Lester discuss the internet's latest celebrity victim – and what's behind her takedown.  Support independent women's media Get your tickets to the Mamamia Out Loud Live 2025 All or Nothing Tour Presented By Nivea Cellular  What To Listen To Next:  Listen to the latest ep: "We're Not OK" - The White Lotus Season 3 Finale Listen: The Robert Irwin Undies Theory, Tariffs & 7 Point Dressing Listen: Sex Tips (For Married Women Only) Listen: The White Lotus Eps 6 & 7 – Petty Points & New Theories Listen: The White Lotus Recap – The Kiss & An Astonishing Scene Listen: The White Lotus — 5 Theories & A Dong Watch Listen: Ugly Female Friendships & A New Red Carpet Theory Listen: We're Desperate To Talk About 'The White Lotus' Season 3 Listen: We’re In Act 2 Of Lively v. Baldoni And We Hate It Here Listen: Emergency Meeting: The Blake Lively Smear Campaign Unpacked Listen to the Spill for an exclusive interview with Leslie Bibb and Natasha Rothwell: We Met The Stars Of TV’s Biggest Show And Here’s Our Honest Recap Connect your subscription to Apple Podcasts  The End Bits:  Sign up to the Mamamia Out Loud Newsletter for all our recommendations and behind-the-scenes content in one place.  What To Read:  Read: Everything you need to know about the Mamamia Out Loud ALL OR NOTHING TOUR coming May 2025 Read: As Elon Musk’s custody battles are dragged into the spotlight, one video speaks volumes. Read: Are you tired of the Justin Baldoni and Blake Lively drama? That's the point. Read: The White Lotus told us from the start why season three had to end in tragedy. Read: The one piece of information The White Lotus cast needs you to know before the finale. Read: Fake scripts and unhinged theories: Everything you need to know before The White Lotus finale. Read: The White Lotus just nailed the ugly friendship dynamic we all recognise. Read: From Koh Samui to Phuket: All of The White Lotus Season 3 filming locations. GET IN TOUCH: Feedback? We’re listening. Send us an email at outloud@mamamia.com.au Share your story, feedback, or dilemma! Send us a voice message Join our Facebook group Mamamia Outlouders to talk about the show. Follow us on Instagram @mamamiaoutloud Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures.Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Look, no one missed the photos of Robert Irwin posing in his undies over the weekend., The ad campaign included a giant snake, a spider, a lizard and young Bob looking very handsome – did you have complicated feelings? We did and most of them involved... bread. And, bamboozled by the tariff talk? Muddled about the stock market mayhem? Fortunately for all of us, Amelia Lester is across it and happy to explain it in a way that makes sense.  Plus, the 7 point outfit hack that’s going to revolutionise the way you get dressed in the mornings.  Support independent women's media Get your tickets to the Mamamia Out Loud Live 2025 All or Nothing Tour Presented By Nivea Cellular  Don't miss out on your merch for Mamamia Out Loud Mamamia wants to hear from you! Complete our survey to go in the running to win one of four $50 gift vouchers. Tell us what's important to you this election: Take the Mamamia Votes survey here What To Listen To Next:  Listen to our latest episode: Sex Tips (For Married Women Only) Listen: We're Doing Women's Fitness Wrong & 'April Theory' Explains How You're Feeling Listen: Sex Boundaries & Gen Z's 'Oprah' Listen: The White Lotus Eps 6 & 7 – Petty Points & New Theories Listen: April Theory & A Brand New Kink Listen Finally Debriefing On 'Adolescence' In Forensic Detail Listen: The Woman Who's Never Met A Happy Parent Listen: Millennials Were The Last Generation To Have It All Listen: Oh Dear. The Biggest Group Chat Whoopsies Listen: The White Lotus Recap – The Kiss & An Astonishing Scene Connect your subscription to Apple Podcasts  The End Bits:  Sign up to the Mamamia Out Loud Newsletter for all our recommendations and behind-the-scenes content in one place.  What To Read:  Read: Everything you need to know about the Mamamia Out Loud ALL OR NOTHING TOUR coming May 2025 Read: Two experts just blew up everything we thought we knew about women's bodies and exercise. Read: We asked a pharmacist 5 pelvic health questions you're probably too shy to ask. Read: The Ozempic side effect no one warned you about. And it's hitting women harder. GET IN TOUCH: Feedback? We’re listening. Send us an email at outloud@mamamia.com.au Share your story, feedback, or dilemma! Send us a voice message Join our Facebook group Mamamia Outlouders to talk about the show. Follow us on Instagram @mamamiaoutloud CREDITS: Hosts: Amelia Lester, Jessie Stephens & Holly Wainwright Group Executive Producer: Ruth Devine Executive Producer: Emeline Gazilas Audio Producer: Leah Porges Video Producer: Josh Green  Junior Content Producers: Coco Lavigne & Tessa Kotowicz Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures.Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

It's a celebration of hot wives, sex tips only for married women, natural contraception and “nap time friendly careers”. Welcome to the new movement of ‘Conservative Cosmo’ media brands. We explain the emergence of Evie and why we're seeing a growth in conservative women's mags right now.  Plus, we share our recommendations including a very funny TV show, an instant Australian classic and the most perfect audiobook experience imaginable. And, Jessie's very terrible week, Brent is cutting Holly's grass and Mia met her people. It's best and worst.  Also... we share some unsolicited wombat facts.  Support independent women's media Get your tickets to the Mamamia Out Loud Live 2025 All or Nothing Tour Presented By Nivea Cellular  Get your merch for Mamamia Out Loud Resources to support those affected by the Western Queensland Floods: Donate to the Western Queensland Floods Appeal to help impacted communities  Donate to the Farm Angels Flooded Farmer Appeal Donate to the QCWA and their Public Rural Crisis Fund For our Brisbane Outlouders: attend the Rising Together Charity Ball where proceeds are going directly to distribution of financial aid, essential recovery relief and allied health support What To Listen To Next:  Listen to our latest episode: The White Lotus Eps 6 & 7 – Petty Points & New Theories Listen: April Theory & A Brand New Kink Listen Finally Debriefing On 'Adolescence' In Forensic Detail Listen: The Woman Who's Never Met A Happy Parent Listen: Millennials Were The Last Generation To Have It All Listen: Oh Dear. The Biggest Group Chat Whoopsies Listen: The White Lotus Recap – The Kiss & An Astonishing Scene Connect your subscription to Apple Podcasts  The End Bits:  Sign up to the Mamamia Out Loud Newsletter for all our recommendations and behind-the-scenes content in one place.  Recommendations:  Jessie wants you to watch Last one Laughing on Prime Video. Mia wants you to watch The Last Anniversary on Binge. Holly wants you to listen to the I Feel Bad About My Neck audiobook. What To Read:  Read: Everything you need to know about the Mamamia Out Loud ALL OR NOTHING TOUR coming May 2025 Read: Apparently leggings are over. Wait. What? Read: Here's the latest way Gen Zs can tell you're a Millennial, and honestly can we get a break? Read: 'I love my sister, but she's turned into an insufferable trad wife.' Read: The 11 best rom-coms to watch while you wait for Nobody Wants This Season 2. GET IN TOUCH: Feedback? We’re listening. Send us an email at outloud@mamamia.com.au Share your story, feedback, or dilemma! Send us a voice message Join our Facebook group Mamamia Outlouders to talk about the show. Follow us on Instagram @mamamiaoutloud CREDITS: Hosts: Mia Freedman, Jessie Stephens & Holly Wainwright Group Executive Producer: Ruth Devine Executive Producer: Emeline Gazilas Audio Producer: Leah Porges Video Producer: Josh Green  Junior Content Producers: Coco Lavigne & Tessa Kotowicz Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures.Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

There are two types of people in this world. The pranksters who live for April Fools' chaos, and the rest of us who'd rather eat glass than endure another workplace whoopee cushion. Which camp are you claiming? Plus, Jessie has some feedback and a theory about April Fools' Day. Also, the very public custody battles with some of the richest, highest-profile, most volatile men in the world. From copyright claims to children appearing in presidential offices, we unpack the high-stakes turmoil surrounding Kanye West and Elon Musk. And kinks are having their moment in pop culture, with The White Lotus season 3 finale coming next week and a confession on Gwyneth Paltrow's latest Goop podcast we have many questions. Support independent women's media Get your tickets to the Mamamia Out Loud Live 2025 All or Nothing Tour Presented By Nivea Cellular  Get your merch for Mamamia Out Loud Resources:If you or someone you know is in need of support contact help is available: Lifeline 13 11 14 1800RESPECT  1800 737 732  What To Listen To Next:  Listen to our latest episode: Finally Debriefing On 'Adolescence' In Forensic Detail Listen: The Woman Who's Never Met A Happy Parent Listen: Millennials Were The Last Generation To Have It All Listen: Oh Dear. The Biggest Group Chat Whoopsies Listen: The White Lotus Recap – The Kiss & An Astonishing Scene Listen: The Belle Gibson Fallout & Armie's 'D*ckhead Defence' Listen: The White Lotus — 5 Theories & A Dong Watch Listen to Mamamia's erotic podcast: Butter Listen to The Quicky: What Australian Women Are Going Without & Kanye's Latest Attack on Kim Connect your subscription to Apple Podcasts  The End Bits:  Sign up to the Mamamia Out Loud Newsletter for all our recommendations and behind-the-scenes content in one place.  What To Read:  Read: Everything you need to know about the Mamamia Out Loud ALL OR NOTHING TOUR coming May 2025 Read: Kanye West just crossed a line for Kim Kardashian. It may cost him custody of his kids. Read: Kim Kardashian tried to stop the most sickening thing Kanye West has done so far. Read: Elon Musk just welcomed his (checks notes)... 14th child. Read: As Elon Musk’s custody battles are dragged into the spotlight, one video speaks volumes. Read: This White Lotus theory suggests our fave is going to meet a tragic death. Read: The White Lotus just nailed the ugly friendship dynamic we all recognise. Read: From Koh Samui to Phuket: All of The White Lotus Season 3 filming locations. GET IN TOUCH: Feedback? We’re listening. Send us an email at outloud@mamamia.com.au Share your story, feedback, or dilemma! Send us a voice message Join our Facebook group Mamamia Outlouders to talk about the show. Follow us on Instagram @mamamiaoutloud CREDITS: Hosts: Mia Freedman, Jessie Stephens & Holly Wainwright Group Executive Producer: Ruth Devine Executive Producer: Emeline Gazilas Audio Producer: Leah Porges Video Producer: Josh Green  Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures.Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

What did you do before 9am today and did it involve dunking your face in ice at least three times and rubbing the inside of a banana on your skin? If not, join us as we discuss the man with the five-hour morning routine. It's a vibe. Plus, Chappell Roan has another unpopular opinion: She’s never met a happy parent. Does she have a point? And, did you know that worrying takes as much energy as climbing a set of stairs while carrying something heavy? We now know exactly why you’re always tired. Support independent women's media Get your tickets to the Mamamia Out Loud Live 2025 All or Nothing Tour Presented By Nivea Cellular  What To Listen To Next:  Listen to our latest episode: Oh Dear. The Biggest Group Chat Whoopsies. Listen: "Too Rich" Celebrities & The Adolescence Theory Listen: Open Marriages & The New Kind Of Divorce Listen: The White Lotus Recap – The Kiss & An Astonishing Scene Listen: The 7 Controversies Of This Year's Biggest Movie Listen: The Three Questions You Should Ask On A First Date Listen to No Filter: When Sleep Isn’t Enough: The Seven Types of Rest Connect your subscription to Apple Podcasts  The End Bits:  Sign up to the Mamamia Out Loud Newsletter to get your fix of the week's best things to read, watch and listen to, pulled from right across the internet.  What To Read: Read: 'I have 50-50 custody and nobody talks about the silent micro-grief.' Read: 'Is that a banana? This man’s baffling morning routine is all I can think about.' Read: We need to talk about those viral 'morning shed' beauty routines. Read: 17 parents share the hacks that get them through a busy week. Read: 'When I gave up my dream to be a mother, something amazing happened.' Read: 'I was 38 and single. This is my story of becoming a mum on my own.' GET IN TOUCH: Feedback? We’re listening. Send us an email at outloud@mamamia.com.au Share your story, feedback, or dilemma! Send us a voice message Join our Facebook group Mamamia Outlouders to talk about the show. Follow us on Instagram @mamamiaoutloud CREDITS: Hosts: Holly Wainwright, Jessie Stephens & Mia Freedman Group Executive Producer: Ruth Devine Executive Producer: Emeline Gazilas Audio Producer: Leah Porges  Video Producer: Josh Green  Junior Content Producers: Coco Lavigne & Tessa Kotowicz Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures.Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

From low-stakes internet use, to an iconic era of pop culture moments: Were millennials the last generation to really have it all? That slight crunch you can hear is special guest Amelia Lester flexing for all she's worth. Plus, our recommendations include a deeply original novel, some no-bullshit health advice and a lipliner that's taken someone's lip game up a notch.  And our Bests & Worsts of the week: an amalgamation of singing, dancing and having nightmares – all at the same time.  Support independent women's media Get your tickets to the Mamamia Out Loud Live 2025 All or Nothing Tour Presented By Nivea Cellular  What To Listen To Next:  Listen to our latest episode: Oh Dear. The Biggest Group Chat Whoopsies. Listen: "Too Rich" Celebrities & The Adolescence Theory Listen: Open Marriages & The New Kind Of Divorce Listen: The White Lotus Recap – The Kiss & An Astonishing Scene Listen: The 7 Controversies Of This Year's Biggest Movie Listen: The Three Questions You Should Ask On A First Date Listen to How To Build A Universe: The Enchanted Forest  Listen to the Quicky: The 2025 Budget For Basic B*tches Connect your subscription to Apple Podcasts  The End Bits:  Sign up to the Mamamia Out Loud Newsletter to get your fix of the week's best things to read, watch and listen to, pulled from right across the internet.  Recommendations:  Amelia wants you to try the Bobby Brown lipliner Mia wants you to read Mother Tongue by Naima Brown  Holly wants you to listen to Well What To Read: Read: Liz Plank's Newsletter, Where Millenials the Last Generation to Have it All? Read: Australian women do not feel well. When we asked them their symptoms, here's what they said. Read: Millennials, one of our favourite staples is back for 2025 (but there's a catch). Read: 'When I asked a hairstylist for a bob, his response surprised me.' Read: Modern Etiquette: The 10 things hairdressers wish you'd stop doing. Read: The jellyfish haircut is everywhere, but would you be brave enough to do it? GET IN TOUCH: Feedback? We’re listening. Send us an email at outloud@mamamia.com.au Share your story, feedback, or dilemma! Send us a voice message Join our Facebook group Mamamia Outlouders to talk about the show. Follow us on Instagram @mamamiaoutloud CREDITS: Hosts: Holly Wainwright, Amelia Lester & Mia Freedman Group Executive Producer: Ruth Devine Executive Producer: Emeline Gazilas Audio Producer: Lu Hill & Tegan Sadler Video Producer: Josh Green  Junior Content Producers: Coco Lavigne & Tessa Kotowicz Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures.Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.