
Tales From Aztlantis
We explore Chicano, Mexicano, and Mesoamerican history, archaeology, and culture, and combat the spread of disinformation about these very topics. Your hosts Kurly Tlapoyawa and Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl invite you to join them on a fascinating journey through Mesoamerica's past, present, and future!
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Apr 24, 2025 • 38min
Throwback: The Whiteness of "Latinx"
listener comments? Feedback? Shoot us a text!Our sponsors: Arkeogato ToursShop AztlantisGO PREMIUM!The Whiteness of “Latinx” A couple of years back, Kurly came across a video online about the Chicano Moratorium March of August 29, 1970. In case you’ve never heard of it, the march was a watershed moment in the Chicano Movement, in which the Los Angeles Police met a peaceful Chicana-Chicano-led protest against the Vietnam War with extreme violence. The ensuing police riot claimed three lives, most notably that of Journalist Ruben Salazar. It remains an important chapter in Chicana-Chicano history. Yet the video claims the Chicano Moratorium “sparked a movement in defense of Latinx lives.”Wait... what?In this episode we talk about the Eurocentric roots of "Latinidad," and how "Latinx" identity is a colonialist tool that centers whiteness while erasing those of Indigenous and African descent.Your hosts:Kurly Tlapoyawa is an archaeologist, ethnohistorian, and filmmaker. His research covers Mesoamerica, the American Southwest, and the historical connections between the two regions. He is the author of numerous books and has presented lectures at the University of New Mexico, Yale University, San Diego State University, and numerous others. He is currently a professor of Chicano Studies at the Colegio Chicano del Pueblo, a free online educational institution.@kurlytlapoyawaRuben Arellano Tlakatekatl is a scholar, activist, and professor of history. His research explores Chicana/Chicano indigeneity, Mexican indigenist nationalism, and Coahuiltecan identity resurgence. Other areas of research include Aztlan (US Southwest), Anawak (Mesoamerica), and Native North America. He has presented and published widely on these topics and has taught courses at various institutions. He currently teaches history at Dallas College – Mountain View Campus.Make It Make Sense with Grant Hermes A twice weekly podcast making sense out the chaotic political worldListen on: Apple Podcasts SpotifySupport the showRSVP for the Yazzie/Martinez Community Gathering! Find us: Bluesky Instagram Merch: Shop Aztlantis Book: The Four Disagreements: Letting Go of Magical Thinking

Apr 15, 2025 • 59min
Episode 75: Picking Over Kwawhtemok's Bones!
listener comments? Feedback? Shoot us a text!Our sponsors: Arkeogato ToursShop AztlantisGO PREMIUM!In the late 19th century, a Mexican rancher named Florentino Juárez set the stage for a nationalistic hoax, the consequences of which continue to echo among Mexicano and Chicano communities. Beneath the altar of the village church in Ixcateopan, Guerrero, Juarez placed half-burnt bones, a handful of artifacts, and a copper plaque crudely engraved with the words “1525–1529. Lord and King Coatemo.” The remains, he claimed, belonged to none other than Kwawtemok, the last sovereign Tlahtoani of the Mexika people. This forgery was driven by Juárez’s ambition to elevate the status of his village and exploit Mexico’s rapidly growing cultural nationalism. The subsequent controversies, investigations, and appropriation of the legend surrounding the alleged “Tomb of Kwawtemok” help us understand the nature of Mexican national identity and the interplay between elite and grassroots manipulation of historical symbols.Your Hosts:Kurly Tlapoyawa is an archaeologist, ethnohistorian, and filmmaker. His research covers Mesoamerica, the American Southwest, and the historical connections between the two regions. He is the author of numerous books and has presented lectures at the University of New Mexico, Harvard University, Yale University, San Diego State University, and numerous others. He most recently released his documentary short film "Guardians of the Purple Kingdom," and is a cultural consultant for Nickelodeon Animation Studios.@kurlytlapoyawaRuben Arellano Tlakatekatl is a scholar, activist, and professor of history. His research explores Chicana/Chicano indigeneity, Mexican indigenist nationalism, and Coahuiltecan identity resurgence. Other areas of research include Aztlan (US Southwest), Anawak (Mesoamerica), and Native North America. He has presented and published widely on these topics and has taught courses at various institutions. He currently teaches history at Dallas College – Mountain View Campus. Make It Make Sense with Grant Hermes A twice weekly podcast making sense out the chaotic political worldListen on: Apple Podcasts SpotifySupport the showRSVP for the Yazzie/Martinez Community Gathering! Find us: Bluesky Instagram Merch: Shop Aztlantis Book: The Four Disagreements: Letting Go of Magical Thinking

Apr 10, 2025 • 1h 1min
Throwback: Goodbye Horses!
listener comments? Feedback? Shoot us a text!Our sponsors: Arkeogato ToursShop AztlantisGO PREMIUM!Indigenous people of the Americas and the Horse Every once in a while, we see a story posted on social media claiming that horses never went extinct in the Americas and that Indigenous people had the horse long before the arrival of Europeans. If you spend any time on Indigenous social media, you probably know what we are talking about. Supporters of this claim seek to dispel what they view as a Eurocentric myth. A myth that, in their eyes, buries the true history of the horse in the Americas by discounting Indigenous oral traditions and ignoring archaeological evidence that would reshape our understanding of history.But do these claims stand up to scrutiny? Did the horse really go extinct in the Americas? And what does all of this have to do with a religious zealot from the 1800s? Well dear listeners, hold on tight because it’s going to be a bumpy ride as we explore:Your Hosts:Kurly Tlapoyawa is an archaeologist, ethnohistorian, and filmmaker. His research covers Mesoamerica, the American Southwest, and the historical connections between the two regions. He is the author of numerous books and has presented lectures at the University of New Mexico, Harvard University, Yale University, San Diego State University, and numerous others. He most recently released his documentary short film "Guardians of the Purple Kingdom," and is a cultural consultant for Nickelodeon Animation Studios.@kurlytlapoyawaRuben Arellano Tlakatekatl is a scholar, activist, and professor of history. His research explores Chicana/Chicano indigeneity, Mexican indigenist nationalism, and Coahuiltecan identity resurgence. Other areas of research include Aztlan (US Southwest), Anawak (Mesoamerica), and Native North America. He has presented and published widely on these topics and has taught courses at various institutions. He currently teaches history at Dallas College – Mountain View Campus. Cited in this podcast: Pleistocene Megafauna in Beringia Archaeological Fantasies Pseudoarchaeological Claims of Horses in the Americas New Research RMake It Make Sense with Grant Hermes A twice weekly podcast making sense out the chaotic political worldListen on: Apple Podcasts SpotifySupport the showRSVP for the Yazzie/Martinez Community Gathering! Find us: Bluesky Instagram Merch: Shop Aztlantis Book: The Four Disagreements: Letting Go of Magical Thinking

Apr 1, 2025 • 1h 18min
Episode 74: Operation Wetback
listener comments? Feedback? Shoot us a text!Our sponsors: Arkeogato ToursShop AztlantisGO PREMIUM!Well, dear listeners, it happened. Like a super-shitty reboot of a failed TV show that nobody asked for, Donaldo Octavius Frump is back for season two. And like all shitty reboots, this one looks like it’s just going to be more of the same: a rancid clown car of tired, racist, bullshit. Only this time he’s brought along a friend, A similarly focused little troll who many think is pulling the strings. I’m referring to, of course, the world’s richest and dumbest human being, Elon Musk. And the combined power of these pathetic clowns has already had disastrous effects. One of Ronald’s primary campaign promises was the institution of a mass deportation program inspired by the infamous “Operation Wetback” of the 1950s. You know, that bygone era when America was “great.” This comes as no surprise really, as Trompito has publicly praised these Eisenhower-era immigration raids since he first ran for president way back in 2016. And leading up to the recent election, he only escalated his verbal attacks on immigrants, proclaiming to his sycophants and cultists that immigrants are “poisoning the blood of our country.”In fact, at the Republican National Convention this past July, he declared that "The Republican platform promises to launch the largest deportation operation in the history of our country," as his crowd of dipshit supporters held up signs bearing the phrase "mass deportation now!"He even directly referenced Operation Wetback way back in 2015 (he didn’t identify it by its name at the time, but I’m sure we can look forward to the normalization of the word “Wetback” in the coming months.) Ronald stated, "You look back in the 1950s, you look back at the Eisenhower administration, take a look at what they did, and it worked.” But did it work? Historians say the program tore families apart, violated civil rights — and at times, turned deadly. And yeah, I would be remiss if I didn’t mention that former President Barack Obama earned the title of “deporter-in-chief” for overseeing the deportation of 3 million plus individuals, 2/3 of which had no criminal record. But he ain’t gonna be President again, and we need to prepare ourselves for the shitshow on the immediate horizon.So with that, dear listeners, we here at the Tales From Aztlantis Podcast thought it would be prudent to take a look at Operation Wetback and its precursor the Bracero Program. Because as they say, everything old is new again. Make It Make Sense with Grant Hermes A twice weekly podcast making sense out the chaotic political worldListen on: Apple Podcasts SpotifySupport the showRSVP for the Yazzie/Martinez Community Gathering! Find us: Bluesky Instagram Merch: Shop Aztlantis Book: The Four Disagreements: Letting Go of Magical Thinking

Jan 23, 2025 • 1h 16min
Throwback Thursday: The Mexika Calendar with Ruben Ochoa
listener comments? Feedback? Shoot us a text!In this throwback episode from Season 2, Kurly talks with Ruben Ochoa about the Mexika calendar system that he deciphered through his own math expertise and analysis of the codices. Your host:Kurly Tlapoyawa is an archaeologist, ethnohistorian, and filmmaker. His research covers Mesoamerica, the American Southwest, and the historical connections between the two regions. He is the author of numerous books and has presented lectures at the University of New Mexico, Yale University, San Diego State University, and numerous others. He recently released a documentary film "Guardians of the Purple Kingdom" about Indigenous textile production in Oaxaca. Make It Make Sense with Grant Hermes A twice weekly podcast making sense out the chaotic political worldListen on: Apple Podcasts SpotifySupport the showRSVP for the Yazzie/Martinez Community Gathering! Find us: Bluesky Instagram Merch: Shop Aztlantis Book: The Four Disagreements: Letting Go of Magical Thinking

Jan 14, 2025 • 1h 13min
Episode 73: Book Suggestions & Listener Questions!
listener comments? Feedback? Shoot us a text!For our season 4 finale, we take some time to answer burning questions from our listeners, and make some book recommendations for those interested in learning more about Chicano-Mexicano history, culture, and identity!Your hosts:Kurly Tlapoyawa is an archaeologist, ethnohistorian, and filmmaker. His research covers Mesoamerica, the American Southwest, and the historical connections between the two regions. He is the author of numerous books and has presented lectures at the University of New Mexico, Yale University, San Diego State University, and numerous others. He recently released a documentary film "Guardians of the Purple Kingdom" about Indigenous textile production in Oaxaca.Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl is a scholar, activist, and professor of history. His research explores Chicana/Chicano indigeneity, Mexican indigenist nationalism, and Coahuiltecan identity resurgence. Other areas of research include Aztlan (US Southwest), Anawak (Mesoamerica), and Native North America. He has presented and published widely on these topics and has taught courses at various institutions. He currently teaches history at Dallas College – Mountain View Campus. Make It Make Sense with Grant Hermes A twice weekly podcast making sense out the chaotic political worldListen on: Apple Podcasts SpotifySupport the showRSVP for the Yazzie/Martinez Community Gathering! Find us: Bluesky Instagram Merch: Shop Aztlantis Book: The Four Disagreements: Letting Go of Magical Thinking

Jan 2, 2025 • 1h
Throwback Thursday: Last of the Aztecs!
listener comments? Feedback? Shoot us a text!Buy Merchandise here!Become a Patreon supporter hereThe Last of The Aztecs! Online racial conspiracists often share historical photos of a man and woman dubbed "The Last of the Aztecs." But who are the individuals in the photo? What is their actual story? And what do they have to do with a showman and circus tycoon from Connecticut? Lets find out as we delve into the tragic story of...The Last of The Aztecs!Your hosts:Kurly Tlapoyawa is an archaeologist, ethnohistorian, and filmmaker. His research covers Mesoamerica, the American Southwest, and the historical connections between the two regions. He is the author of numerous books and has presented lectures at the University of New Mexico, Yale University, San Diego State University, and numerous others. He recently released a documentary film "Guardians of the Purple Kingdom" about Indigenous textile production in Oaxaca.Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl is a scholar, activist, and professor of history. His research explores Chicana/Chicano indigeneity, Mexican indigenist nationalism, and Coahuiltecan identity resurgence. Other areas of research include Aztlan (US Southwest), Anawak (Mesoamerica), and Native North America. He has presented and published widely on these topics and has taught courses at various institutions. He currently teaches history at Dallas College – Mountain View Campus. Cited in the Podcast: Freak Show: Presenting Human Oddities for Amusement and Profit Make It Make Sense with Grant Hermes A twice weekly podcast making sense out the chaotic political worldListen on: Apple Podcasts SpotifySupport the showRSVP for the Yazzie/Martinez Community Gathering! Find us: Bluesky Instagram Merch: Shop Aztlantis Book: The Four Disagreements: Letting Go of Magical Thinking

Dec 24, 2024 • 48min
Episode 72: The Reason For The Season!
listener comments? Feedback? Shoot us a text!Well, dear listeners, it’s that time of year again: when the mainstream media and their corporate overlords conspire to wage war on the winter holiday meant to celebrate the birth of our savior and erase our annual traditions. We are referring of course, to the birth of Witzilopochtli as our sun reborn, and the associated feast of Panketzaliztli. But fear not, dear listeners, because here in Aztlantis we proudly say “Merry Panketzaliztli” and honor Witzilopochtli as the true reason for the season!Tlazkamati to Micorazonmexica for the amazing episode artwork! Support their online store here: https://www.etsy.com/mx/shop/MiCorazonMexicaYour Hosts:Kurly Tlapoyawa is an archaeologist, ethnohistorian, and filmmaker. His research covers Mesoamerica, the American Southwest, and the historical connections between the two regions. He is the author of numerous books and has presented lectures at the University of New Mexico, Harvard University, Yale University, San Diego State University, and numerous others. He is also a cultural consultant for Nickelodeon Animation Studios. His recent projects include the documentary short film "Guardians of the Purple Kingdom," and "The Casagrandes Movie" on Netflix. @kurlytlapoyawa Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl is a scholar, activist, and professor of history. His research explores Chicana/Chicano indigeneity, indigenist nationalism, and Coahuiltecan revitalization. Other areas of research include Aztlan (US Southwest), Anawak (Mesoamerica), and Native North America. His work has appeared in the Washington Post, Mexicolore, and several academic journals. He frequently presents at historical conferences and has taught courses at numerous colleges & universities. He currently teaches history at Dallas College – Mountain View Campus. Make It Make Sense with Grant Hermes A twice weekly podcast making sense out the chaotic political worldListen on: Apple Podcasts SpotifySupport the showRSVP for the Yazzie/Martinez Community Gathering! Find us: Bluesky Instagram Merch: Shop Aztlantis Book: The Four Disagreements: Letting Go of Magical Thinking

Dec 19, 2024 • 1h 23min
Throwback Thursday: Nawatl Language Mistranslations!
listener comments? Feedback? Shoot us a text!Nawatl Language Mistranslations! Lots of well-intentioned folks are sharing information about the Nawatl language online. Unfortunately, this information is sometimes inaccurate or even worse, completely made up! Today we are joined by Nawatl language educators Yan Garcia (author of Learn Nawatl), and Dr. Magnus Hansen (Nawatl Linguist), as we explore Nawatl language mistranslations, mispronunciations, and pseudohistorical misrepresentations!!Your Hosts:Kurly Tlapoyawa is an archaeologist, ethnohistorian, and filmmaker. His research covers Mesoamerica, the American Southwest, and the historical connections between the two regions. He is the author of numerous books and has presented lectures at the University of New Mexico, Harvard University, Yale University, San Diego State University, and numerous others. He is also a cultural consultant for Nickelodeon Animation Studios. His recent projects include the documentary short film "Guardians of the Purple Kingdom," and "The Casagrandes Movie" on Netflix. @kurlytlapoyawa Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl is a scholar, activist, and professor of history. His research explores Chicana/Chicano indigeneity, indigenist nationalism, and Coahuiltecan revitalization. Other areas of research include Aztlan (US Southwest), Anawak (Mesoamerica), and Native North America. His work has appeared in the Washington Post, Mexicolore, and several academic journals. He frequently presents at historical conferences and has taught courses at numerous colleges & universities. He currently teaches history at Dallas College – Mountain View Campus. Make It Make Sense with Grant Hermes A twice weekly podcast making sense out the chaotic political worldListen on: Apple Podcasts SpotifySupport the showRSVP for the Yazzie/Martinez Community Gathering! Find us: Bluesky Instagram Merch: Shop Aztlantis Book: The Four Disagreements: Letting Go of Magical Thinking

Dec 10, 2024 • 1h 14min
Episode 71: Bullshit Apocalypse w/ Dr. Andrew White!
listener comments? Feedback? Shoot us a text!Dr. Andrew White joins us to talk about the consequences of shows like Ancient Apocalypse, and how pseudoarchaeology is often used to accomplish nationalist and frequently racist objectives. So join us as we take a bizarre journey through a world of neo-nazi Graham Hancock fanboys, Atlantis-pushing occultists, and anti-Indigenous propaganda!About our guest:Andrew White is anthropological archaeologist (PhD 2012, University of Michigan) with interests in hunter-gatherers, lithic technology, human evolution, and complex systems theory. He is particularly interested in combining archaeological methods and theory with ethnographic data and computational modeling to develop new ways to push the boundaries of our understanding of the social, cultural, and evolutionary aspects of the human past. He has spent some time confronting pseudo-archaeological claims about the human past and feels that other professional archaeologists should do the same.https://www.youtube.com/@andrewwhite33Your Host:Kurly Tlapoyawa is an archaeologist, ethnohistorian, and filmmaker. His research covers Mesoamerica, the American Southwest, and the historical connections between the two regions. He is the author of numerous books and has presented lectures at the University of New Mexico, Harvard University, Yale University, San Diego State University, and numerous others. He is also a cultural consultant for Nickelodeon Animation Studios. His recent projects include LiDAR-assisted survey in the Maya hinterlands of southern Belize, the documentary short film "Guardians of the Purple Kingdom," and "The Casagrandes Movie" on Netflix. @kurlytlapoyawa Make It Make Sense with Grant Hermes A twice weekly podcast making sense out the chaotic political worldListen on: Apple Podcasts SpotifySupport the showRSVP for the Yazzie/Martinez Community Gathering! Find us: Bluesky Instagram Merch: Shop Aztlantis Book: The Four Disagreements: Letting Go of Magical Thinking
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