
Outside/In
Outside/In: Where curiosity and the natural world collide.
Look around, and you’ll find everything is connected to the natural world. At Outside/In, we explore that idea with boundless curiosity. We report from disaster zones, pickleball courts, and dog sled kennels, and talk about policy, pop culture, science, and everything in between. From the backcountry to your backyard, we tell stories that expand the boundaries of environmental journalism.
Outside/In is a production of NHPR. Learn more at outsideinradio.org
Latest episodes

Oct 26, 2023 • 22min
Bat Out of Hell Ranch
Depending on who you ask bats are either a favorite mascot of spooky season, a dangerous nuisance and vector for rabies, or a charismatic group of nocturnal mammals in need of protection. So when Outside/In host Nate Hegyi moved to the countryside of Montana and discovered a colony of bats living in the siding of his new house, he was forced to make a decision. Evict the bats that pest control people suggest could be endangering his family? Or try and embrace his inner Bruce Wayne? Featuring: Susan Tsang, Steph Holt, Mike Hegyi, Penny Hegyi, Christine Bellis SUPPORTOutside/In is listener-supported. Become a sustaining member today for $5 a month, and we'll send you an Outside/In baseball cap. Subscribe to our (free) newsletter.Follow Outside/In on Instagram or Twitter, or join our private discussion group on FacebookCREDITSHost: Nate HegyiReported and produced by Nate HegyiEdited by Taylor QuimbyOur team also includes Felix Poon and Justine ParadisRebecca Lavoie is our Executive ProducerMusic for this episode by Blue Dot SessionsOutside/In is a production of New Hampshire Public Radio
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Oct 19, 2023 • 25min
Environmental disinformation is getting weirder
During disasters, people flock to social media to share warnings, coordinate in real time, and share images of the destruction. But others use the chaos of breaking news events to spread false information. On today’s episode, we’re exploring the rise of fake news in the environmental space, from #HawaiiNotUkraine, to a news site spreading climate disinformation in Wyoming. Plus, we speak to the people fighting back, including a community fact-checker correcting earthquake disinformation on X. SUPPORTOutside/In is made possible with listener support. Click here to become a sustaining member of Outside/In. Subscribe to our newsletter (it’s free!).Follow Outside/In on Instagram or join our private discussion group on Facebook.Submit a question to the “Outside/Inbox.” We answer queries about the natural world, climate change, sustainability, and human evolution. You can send a voice memo to outsidein@nhpr.org or leave a message on our hotline, 1-844-GO-OTTER (844-466-8837). LINKSThis article, written before Elon Musk took over X, profiled Celeste Labedz and some other folks fighting diisonfmration on social media (Poynter)Check out Caroline Orr Bueno’s substack newsletter, Weaponized, and her piece about the #HawaiiNotUkraine hashtag. Jem Bartholomew’s story about the sudden growth of a Wyoming news site that’s rife with climate disinformation (CJR) CREDITSHost: Nate HegyiReported and produced by Jeongyoon HanMixed by Taylor QuimbyEdited by Taylor Quimby, with help from Nate Hegyi and Felix Poon. Our staff also includes Justine Paradis.Rebecca Lavoie is NHPR’s Director of On-Demand Audio.Music by Blue Dot SessionsOur theme music is by Breakmaster Cylinder.Outside/In is a production of New Hampshire Public Radio
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Oct 12, 2023 • 33min
Do airports dream of electric planes?
Exploring the challenges of living near an airport on Nantucket, the potential of hydrogen as an alternative fuel for airplanes, and the complexities of decarbonizing aviation and airports. The excitement of electric planes for Cape Air employees and the potential for uncrewed flights.

Oct 5, 2023 • 39min
Close Encounters with Mato Tipila
Become a sustaining member today. For $5 a month, we'll send you an Outside/In baseball cap. The first 250 people to donate during our fall fund drive will also receive a "ginkgo love" sticker. Support Outside/In today!As of late, Endless Thread co-host Ben Brock Johnson has been obsessed with a rock in Wyoming, a lot like the protagonist of Close Encounters of the Third Kind. But you won't find Ben in the kitchen, making a replica of the rock out of mud and chicken wire. Instead, you'll find him and co-host Amory Sivertson in this episode, traversing Reddit and TikTok, YouTube, and the actual state of Wyoming to find out why hundreds of thousands of people have been drawn to a monolith that has so many names and meanings.This episode is part of Endless Thread’s latest 4-part series called Parks! SUPPORTOutside/In is made possible with listener support. Click here to become a sustaining member of Outside/In. Subscribe to our newsletter (it’s free!).Follow Outside/In on Instagram or join our private discussion group on Facebook.Submit a question to the “Outside/Inbox.” We answer queries about the natural world, climate change, sustainability, and human evolution. You can send a voice memo to outsidein@nhpr.org or leave a message on our hotline, 1-844-GO-OTTER (844-466-8837). CREDITSOutside/In is hosted by Nate Hegyi. Our team includes Taylor Quimby, Justine Paradis, and Felix Poon. Our Executive Producer is Rebecca Lavoie.This episode of Endless Thread was produced by Ben Brock Johnson, co-hosted by Amory Sivertson, and produced by Samata Joshi, Grace Tatter, and Quincy WaltersIt was mixed and sound-designed by Paul Vaitkus.Endless Thread is a production of WBUR. Outside/In is a production of NHPR.
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Sep 28, 2023 • 27min
Where there’s smoke, there’s ire
The podcast explores the impact of poor forest management on smoke pollution caused by wildfires. It questions the concept of active forest management and its relation to logging. The podcast also discusses the role of climate change in wildfires and the challenges of studying wildfire smoke.

Sep 21, 2023 • 31min
The greatest disaster story of all time
The hosts discuss the appeal of disaster movies and their ties to real climate-related catastrophes. They delve into the Permian-Triassic Extinction Event, explore the scale and intensity of past volcanic eruptions, and examine the worldwide impact of gaseous outpourings. They also reflect on the positive aspects of extinctions and the importance of addressing climate change.

Sep 14, 2023 • 32min
The last great trip
In this podcast, Kathy Kral shares her experience battling cancer and major depression, and how she turned to a clinical study using psilocybin to confront her fears. The podcast explores the potential benefits of psychedelics for cancer patients and dives into the neurological effects of psilocybin. It also delves into the risks and benefits of psychedelic therapy, including profound visions and revelations experienced by individuals during therapy sessions. Overall, this episode uncovers the potential healing power of psychedelics in facing inner demons.

Sep 7, 2023 • 24min
Let's talk boundaries
This podcast explores the conflicts arising from invisible lines and the marking of territories by different species. It also discusses land surveying techniques and shares a story about conflicting measurements of a mountain. The concept of gravitational pull, particularly in relation to black holes, is explored along with the concept of escape velocity. The episode ends with random topics and a request for episode recommendations.

Aug 31, 2023 • 34min
After the avalanche: rescue gone wrong
Rescue gone wrong - challenges of finding a buried skier in an avalanche. Determining death in hypothermia, harrowing mountain experience. Treating severe hypothermia with ECMO. Need for better resources in search and rescue. Changes in EMT protocols. Changing perspective in avalanche safety.

Aug 24, 2023 • 38min
Of lab mice and men
At any given time, millions of lab mice are being used in research facilities nationwide. And yet nearly all of them can be connected back to a single source: The Jackson Laboratory in Bar Harbor, Maine, where the modern lab mouse was invented.What started as a research project aimed at understanding heredity is now a global business. Research on lab mice has led to more than two dozen Nobel prizes, helped save countless human lives, and has pushed science and medicine to new heights. But behind it all is a cost that’s rarely discussed outside of the ethics boards that determine how lab mice are used. In this episode, we hear the story of how a leading eugenicist turned the humble mouse from a household pest into science’s number one guinea pig. Plus, we get a rare peek inside the Jackson Laboratory - where over 10,000 strains of lab mice DNA are kept cryogenically frozen. Featuring Bethany Brookshire, Kristin Blanchette, Lon Cardon, Rachael Pelletier, Karen Rader, Nadia Rosenthal and Mark Wanner.SUPPORTOutside/In is made possible with listener support. Click here to become a sustaining member of Outside/In. Subscribe to our newsletter (it’s free!).Follow Outside/In on Instagram or join our private discussion group on Facebook.Submit a question to the “Outside/Inbox.” We answer queries about the natural world, climate change, sustainability, and human evolution. You can send a voice memo to outsidein@nhpr.org or leave a message on our hotline, 1-844-GO-OTTER (844-466-8837).LINKSKaren Rader’s book, Making Mice: Standardizing Animals for American Biomedical Research, 1900-1955, is a definitive source on the birth of the lab mouse…Curious to learn more about pests? Take a look at Bethany Brookshire’s book, Pests: How Humans Create Villains.This piece from the New Yorker questions the assumptions and ethical choices scientists have made by using lab mice in sterilized lab environments.In this New York Times essay, Brandon Keim explores how some ethicists want to reduce harm to animals used for research through a new model: repaying them. CREDITSProduced by Jeongyoon HanMixed by Taylor QuimbyEditing by Taylor Quimby, with help from Nate Hegyi, Rebecca Lavoie, Justine Paradis, and Felix PoonExecutive producer: Rebecca LavoieMusic by Blue Dot Sessions, Spring Gang, and El Flaco Collective. Our theme music is by Breakmaster Cylinder.Outside/In is a production of New Hampshire Public Radio
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