The Modern Therapist's Survival Guide with Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy

Curt and Katie talk about the mistakes that therapists make in their business that can impact their clinical practice, their financial stability, and their reputation both with their colleagues and their clients.  It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.In this episode we talk about: The intersection between business and clinical practices The different mistakes that therapists make like not returning phone calls, being clumsy with intake call and intake process, failing to talk about fees before meeting in person, insurance bait and switch, scheduling snafus in shared offices, lack of control in your space, running late, poor referrals, not getting consent from both parents, clients missing payments and racking up debt How to improve business practices to improve clinical relationships Using therapy skills to improve “sales” Systems to help clients engage in treatment from the beginning The importance of establishing fees and contracts/consents prior to the first session Clear parameters can equal clinical safety Timeliness can equate to trust The handoff from intake or practice owner to the clinician who will work with the client Showing confidence in your own work and any referrals you make Making sure to talk through all of the consents and policies Communication practices with clients Taking notes, remembering what has happened in the session Client experience, customer care Re-engagement Deliberate Practice and Scott Miller’s Feedback Informed Treatment The importance of putting systems in place that support you and your clients Resources mentioned:We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. SimplePractice Scott Miller’s Feedback Informed TreatmentMaureen Werrbach with The Group Practice ExchangeDr. Ben Caldwell with Ben Caldwell LabsMixing Modern Therapist live networking events – email us for info: events@therapyreimagined.comThe conversations happening in Our Facebook Group first.therapyreimaginedconference.comOther Relevant Episodes:Making Bank as a TherapistDeliberate Practice 1: Finding Your Blind SpotsDeliberate Practice 2: Be a Better TherapistOur event this year:The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!Our new consultation services:The Fifty-Minute Hour Credits:Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/

An interview with Kelly Higdon, LMFT of ZynnyMe – Curt and Katie talk with Kelly Higdon about taking ownership as a business owner, creating space and time for play and creativity, defining your own pace, and your own voice – all with the goal of becoming stronger clinicians and increasing mental health access.It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.Interview with Kelly Higdon, LMFTKelly Higdon is a Licensed Marriage Family Therapist and the other half of ZynnyMe with Miranda Palmer. Together they created the Business School Bootcamp, a lifetime access business program just for therapists who want to start, grow or retool their practices. She operates from the belief that eradicating mental health stigma and improving access to mental wellness starts with each of us. The better we are at business, the better we can be at serving our communities. When Kelly isn't hanging out with bootcampers or coaching clients, you can find her spending time with husband and daughter or rolling on her skates with her roller derby family.In this episode we talk about: The reasons that Kelly joined together with Miranda Palmer, LMFT to create Zynnyme, Business School Bootcamp How the way you live your life is the way you do business How avoiding and “just trusting that everything will work out” can hurt your progress in private practice How therapists recognizing patterns can help us be better business owners The way that therapists have improved how they approach business over the last few years How to choose who you spend time with – people who have a business mindset The importance of accountability and being with people who challenge you Looking at how the business decisions impact your clinical work and training Deciding to grow or maintain your same level Celebrating success rather than constantly looking to grow Choices about eliminating, delegating, automating, prioritizing, and delaying You get to define your success and your pace Kelly’s parking lot method The fears and doubts, grief that can come up when you don’t take action in your business The plague of comparisonitis Finding your own uniqueness, how to avoid being influenced by someone else and entering your own heart space How business development is like childhood development How to be more creative and improve your business How to find your best coach to help you further your business development The integrity of referring out The changes in the profession over the last few years How you can be in private practice and innovate for the whole profession Breaking down barriers and increasing mental health access  Resources mentioned:We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.Business School BootcampZynnyMeZynnyMe Coaching and My Awesome Year Blue Ocean Strategy by W. Chan Kim and Renee MauborgneOur Next Event:The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!Our consultation services:The Fifty-Minute HourCredits:Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/ 

Curt and Katie talk about reimagining therapy, starting a #therapymovement, and pulling together a community to put on a conferenceIt’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.In this episode we talk about: Curt’s love of Legos and the ensuing overuse of this metaphor to describe using building blocks to be creative This conference we’re putting on and why we named it Therapy Reimagined The building blocks that are the foundation of therapy, but how we can use them creatively The individual differences that have been growing the diversity of the profession Sacrificial Helping Syndrome (Katie’s concept about how clinicians can sacrifice their own well-being for the work) How the system isn’t working – it relies on us burning out Why advocacy is important for our profession The irony and sadness about us going into the profession to be a different therapist and then becoming the burned-out therapist What it means when we burn out: lack of resources, mental health stigma, poorer outcomes Creating an action plan for how you will improve the profession Why strong business practices are important for all of us Having a big idea and carrying it through The importance of diversity and our commitment to have diverse faculty and diverse ideas at Therapy Reimagined 2018 How important it is to us to hear from you and develop this community around us for the #therapymovement A secret message from Katie at the very end Resources mentioned:We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.Katie’s article on Sacrificial Helping SyndromeKatie’s writing about avoiding Sacrificial Helping SyndromeDr. Ben Caldwell with Ben Caldwell LabsMixing Modern Therapist live networking events – email us for info: events@therapyreimagined.comThe conversations happening in Our Facebook Groupfirst.therapyreimaginedconference.comOther Relevant Episodes:Our Therapy Reimagined speakers on the podcast -The Fight to Save Psychotherapy - Benjamin E. CaldwellWhat Therapists Get Wrong - Paul GilmartinSocial Media and Video Marketing for Therapists - Ernesto Segismundo Jr.Make Your Paperwork Meaningful - Maelisa HallBe the CEO of your SEO - Perry RosenbloomBecoming a Group Practice Owner - Maureen WerrbachBuilding Hope for the Next Generation of Therapists - Robin AndersenCrafting Your Authentic Message - Mercedes Samudio Our event this year:The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!Our new consultation services:The Fifty-Minute Hour Credits:Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/

Curt and Katie talk with Tiffany McLain about the difficulty therapists have in charging enough to make a living, how ignoring money means you’re missing stuff in the clinical work, and ideas on how to shift your mindset to make bank.It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.Interview with Tiffany McLain, LMFTTiffany McLain, MFT is a therapist & consultant whose mantra is, “Full fees are the new black.” Via her business, www.heytiffany.com, she helps therapists in private practice overcome their shame about marketing and making bank so they can help the clients they are truly passionate about serving. She’s been featured in Psychology Today Magazine, Psych Central, Huffington Post, KGO Radio, SF Weekly and Forbes.In this episode we talk about: The reasons that therapists have such a hard time charging for therapy How therapists being upwardly mobile can impact their money issues How many therapists are often marginalized and upwardly mobile, which can impact our tendency to sacrifice ourselves and put ourselves into the role of martyr The zero-sum game that a lot of people think is true (but really is not) Working through your money story and your identity around money Shifting your mindset around money Why we have a difficult time charging full fee The culture of shame regarding talking about money Money as a symbol of reality and of death When clinicians are not addressing money stuff they are missing stuff in the clinical work The danger of pretending that we don’t have needs, limitations, etc. and how that leads to unrealistic expectations for the clinician How to give back and still make the living that you want Why not everyone needs to go into private practice Tiffany’s story of not fitting in and creating her own tribe How she navigated having a strong brand in her coaching while doing psychoanalytic work in her therapy practice How Tiffany works with therapy and coaching clients How therapists get in their own way – getting their fees wrong, not leaning in  Resources mentioned:We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.Tiffany’s Program: Lean in Make BankFun with Fees CalculatorProfit First by Mike MichalowiczOur Next Event:The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!Our consultation services:The Fifty-Minute HourCredits:Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/

Curt and Katie talk about people who yell “That’s Unethical” whenever they disagree with what someone else is doing. It could be ethics, but it might actually be legal, clinically relevance, values, morals, what “should” be done or what has always been done – and how to navigate messy decisions.It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.In this episode we talk about: The tendency of people to yell "That's Unethical!" when they disagree with what you're doing (even if it doesn't relate to an ethic) The differences between laws, ethics, clinically relevance, personal morals and values, and “shoulds” or what we’ve always done #citethestatute Being thoughtful about how we make decisions as a therapist Emotional versus wise mind arguments The messiness of reality – things don’t always stack up related to laws, ethics, clinical relevance, etc. The need to discuss these things, so we can make change when needed How to sort through the muddiness of real world scenarios where laws, ethics, and clinical interventions don’t line up. The need to sort through in a case by case basis Developmental stages of navigating the complexity of these differentiations Your own values, limitations The importance of consultation Facebook group consultation – pros and cons Seeking consultation on ethical, legal, and clinical complexity  Resources mentioned:We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.Dr. Ben Caldwell with Ben Caldwell LabsOther Relevant Episodes:Dual RelationshipsDating as a Therapist Social Media and Video Marketing for TherapistsManaging Your Online ReputationHow Much is Too Much? (on limit setting, talking politics with clients, etc.)The Brand Called YouWhat Clients Want (on the therapeutic relationship)Our Take on Texts Our event this year:The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!Our new consultation services:The Fifty-Minute HourCredits:Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/

An interview with Marc Sadoff, LCSW, about what therapists can do to support refugees seeking asylum in the United States. We talk about the qualifications therapists need to engage in the asylum evaluation process.It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.Interview with Marc Sadoff, LCSW Marc Sadoff, LCSW was licensed in 1985 and worked with the Program for Torture Victims Los Angeles from 1997 to 2001. Marc and his colleagues did psychological and medical evaluations to corroborate claims of torture for asylum seekers. In 2000, they presented a half-day workshop for Immigration Asylum Officers on the topic of credibility. They were acknowledged as contributors to a book edited by the Physicians for Human Rights called "A Health Professional’s Guide to Medical And Psychological Evaluations Of Torture" published in 2001. Marc has submitted over 100 psychological evaluations for immigration cases, and has been accepted as an ‘expert in traumatic stress’, 60 of the 60 times that he’s testified in court. Marc’s goal in providing training on asylum is to expand the pool of clinicians who can begin doing pro bono and low fee psychological evaluations for those fleeing injustice and terror. You can learn more about Marc here: www.realhope.comIn this episode we talk about: Marc’s entry into treating torture and asylum victims The difference between asylum evaluations and treatment What the asylum process looks like from asylee perspective and the clinician perspective The years long process that is asylum seeking, leading to communities requiring sponsorship while waiting for the process to be completed The clinician’s experience in the asylum process What is required to complete evaluations for asylum, looking at the practical steps to completing the report Qualifications for therapists completing asylum evaluations The current state of immigration and how it has impacted Marc’s practice, his personal takes on it The plight of unaccompanied minors who cross the border How therapists can get involved, as a citizen, as a clinician, as an asylum evaluator How therapists and social workers need to be cautious about what they present related to interviews outside of asylum evaluations Resources mentioned:We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.Marc’s 7 hour course - Webinar on Asylum Evaluations: RealHope.com/webinar-training/Marc’s information:www.RealHope.com/webinar-training/ For info regarding the September training.Email: Marc@RealHope.comTwitter: @MarcSadoffIF YOU’D LIKE THE EXTENSIVE RESOURCES THAT MARC PROVIDED US, PLEASE SEND US A QUICK EMAIL AND WE CAN FORWARD THE MULTI-PAGE DOCUMENT TO YOU: podcast@therapyreimagined.comProfessional Organization Statements: APA NASW CAMFTAAMFTAmerica Academy of PediatricsChild’s World America Petition Diane Feinstein’s Bill: Keep Families Together Act Action Alert from Southern Poverty Law CenterRAICES Immigration Resources:https://www.psychologicalevaluationsforimmigrationcourt.net/blog/ IF YOU’D LIKE THE EXTENSIVE RESOURCES THAT MARC PROVIDED US (INCLUDING THE ONE ABOVE), PLEASE SEND US A QUICK EMAIL AND WE CAN FORWARD THE MULTI-PAGE DOCUMENT TO YOU: podcast@therapyreimagined.com Our Next Event:The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!Our new consultation services:The Fifty-Minute HourCredits:Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/

An interview with Alison Fussell, LMFT, Co-Founder of Advekit, about making her dream of stronger, more accurate referrals a reality through the responsive algorithm on her online platform. Looking at the platform, the vision, and the ups and downs of being a startup.It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.Interview with Alison Fussell, LMFTAlison Fussell is a LMFT and Co-Founder of Advekit - the modern marketing platform for therapists in Southern California. Alison was born and raised in Los Angeles and attended UCLA (Bachelors) and Pepperdine University (Masters). She practiced in a clinical setting for 6 years before starting her company, Advekit. The impetus for Advekit was to bridge the gap between therapists seeking new clients, and clients seeking the right suited therapists per their needs. Alison and her co-founder, Arielle, realized that there was a strong need for an effective platform for both groups to connect, as this concept was lacking in the space. In addition to their matching platform, the Advekit team plans to enhance the therapist and client experience from end to end, with the goal of implementing new tools on the platform and scaling into major cities within the US.In this episode we talk about: Alison’s story Identifying the gap in saturated markets, to help people narrow down and find the right therapist Shifting from your clinical practice to a “side” business The struggles of starting a business Increasing accuracy of referrals Creating an algorithm to improve matches within Advekit Accurately portraying yourself to get better referrals, being specific How you can shoot yourself in the foot when you check off too many boxes on online profiles Leveraging your clinical skills in other areas in business Creating a business partnership with complimentary skillsets Moving from vision to reality Finding the right steps to move forward What you need to know about business to move a big idea forward Reading books and learning on your own Taking risks Finding opportunities beyond clinical work Resources mentioned:We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.AdvekitSpecial Advekit promo code for our listeners: “summer2018” – This will give you 10% off the annual package (normally $270, but for you it will be $243). Enter this code in as you fill out your profile on Advekit. Relevant MTSG Podcast Episodes:Referrals Done RightThe Brand Called YouOur Next Event:The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!Our new consultation services:The Fifty-Minute HourCredits:Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/

Curt and Katie talk about ineffective and shady marketing practices that are completely ineffective and bad for your brand.It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.In this episode we talk about: Laws and best practices related to email marketing The benefit of opt-in and permission marketing List building while providing positive content to the people who have subscribed or opted in Frequency and quality of emails Technological advances that help you send information only to the people who want it Segmented lists: client facing, referral sources, topics, events, etc. The what’s and how’s of the unsubscribe button Unsolicited texts during the election The danger of holding people hostage in any form (in person networking, texting, phone, email) Visibility is not the only goal of marketing Facebook interactions that are not so cool Treating people as a number on a mailing list, a like for a FB page, etc. Excessively marketing – fear based or obsession-based conversations The huge problem of not being able to unsubscribe The dangers of burning out your referral sources with unsolicited emails Creating engaging content Marketing strategy for different platforms Resources mentioned:We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Permission Marketing by Seth Godin Can-Spam RuleGDPROther Relevant Episodes:The Brand Called You The Dividing Line Between Coaching and TherapyOur event this year:The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!Our new consultation services:The Fifty-Minute HourWho we are:Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage & Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more at: www.curtwidhalm.comKatie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more at: www.katievernoy.comA Quick Note:Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey. Stay in Touch:www.mtsgpodcast.comwww.therapyreimagined.comOur Facebook Group – The Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Grouphttps://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/https://twitter.com/therapymovementhttps://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/ Credits:Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/

An interview with Robyn Goldberg, RDN, CEDRD, on what all therapists should know about nutrition, disordered eating, and eating disorders, as well as their own biases and relationship with foodIt’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.Interview with Robyn Goldberg, RDN, CEDRDRobyn L. Goldberg, RDN, CEDRD, began her career at Cedars-Sinai Medical Center in Los Angeles as the in-patient dietitian in the Department of Cardiology. Over the last 21 years she has developed her own private practice in Beverly Hills, CA, where she specializes in medical conditions, disordered eating, eating disorders, Health at Every Size, intuitive eating and pre-pregnancy nutrition. Robyn promotes opportunity to excel in developing a new perspective with food in association with several medical groups. She serves as a Nutrition Consultant for the Celiac Disease Foundation. For the last eight years Robyn was the Nutritional Therapist for the Susan Krevoy Eating Disorders Program at Wright Institute Los Angeles was a consultant for Panda Restaurant Group and teaches the nutrition classes for the Motion Picture Wellness Program. Currently Robyn is the Director of Nutrition Service for The Control Center, an addiction IOP, where she sees all the eating disorder patients. She is a contributing author and is a nationally known registered dietitian nutritionist. She has been quoted in The New York Times, The Huffington Post, The Fix, Shape Magazine, Fitness, Oxygen, Pilates Style, Diabetes Forecast, BH Weekly and Life & Style. She has been on national television as the eating disorder expert on The Insider.  Robyn has a body image and eating disorder group at several addiction centers in Los Angeles.Learn more about Robyn at www.askaboutfood.com.In this episode we talk about: Diet Culture HAES: Health at Every Size Food freedom Collaboration between therapists and dietitians Treating eating disorders and disordered eating What to look for in the intake process Looking at your own belief system and bias around “fat” and “thin” Why you can't make assumptions about your clients based on what they look like When to worry about eating patterns of your clients Orthorexia, Anorexia, Bulimia, Restricting, Binging Moving away from the idea that there is a “right weight” What therapists often miss related to eating How to find experts who work with Eating Disorders (what the qualifications are, what the dangers are when you work outside of your scope) Who needs to be on the team to treating EDs. Medical considerations and labs to request How little most people know about how to screen for eating disorders The differences between Registered Dietitian Nutritionist, Licensed Dietitians, Nutritionists, Health Coaches Resources mentioned:We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.Robyn’s Website: www.askaboutfood.comInstagram: RobynGoldbergRDNAcademy of Eating Disorders: www.aedweb.orgInternational Association of Eating Disorder Professionals: IAEDPCertifications for Eating Disorder Specialties (CEDRD, CEDS, etc.)Medical Care Standards Guide - Eating Disorders: Critical Points for Early Recognition and Medical Risk Management in the Care of Individuals with Eating Disorders Certification in Intuitive EatingRelevant MTSG Podcast Episodes:Are You Sure You’re a SpecialistOur Next Event:The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!Credits:Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/

Curt and Katie talk about the therapeutic alliance - challenges of defining it, what clients think about it, and how to incorporate best practices.It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.In this episode we talk about: The definition of therapeutic alliance and the difficult we have in practically defining it What actually matters to clients, that makes up the therapeutic relationship Validating the client’s experience Looking at the client as a whole person Therapist honesty Showing good boundaries Normalizing the client’s experience Making eye contact with our clients Body language, who we present ourselves Clients feeling heard and respected The challenge of getting accurate feedback from clients How to incorporate best practices Resources mentioned:We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.Bedi and Duff Study on Therapeutic Relationship: Client as ExpertScott MillerOur new consultation services: The Fifty-Minute HourOther Episodes Mentioned:The Brand Called YouOur events this year:The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!! Who we are:Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage & Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more at: www.curtwidhalm.comKatie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more at: www.katievernoy.comA Quick Note:Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey. Stay in Touch:www.mtsgpodcast.comwww.therapyreimagined.comOur Facebook Group – The Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Grouphttps://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/https://twitter.com/therapymovementhttps://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/ Credits:Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/