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Artemis Live - Insurance-linked securities (ILS), catastrophe bonds (cat bonds), reinsurance

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Jul 1, 2020 • 37min

16: Niklaus Hilti, Credit Suisse ILS, Jun 2020 - on ILS investing, reinsurance trends & Covid-19 impacts

Niklaus Hilti, Chief Executive Officer and Chief Investment Officer of Credit Suisse Insurance Linked Strategies, kindly joined us to discuss the current status of the ILS investment space and reinsurance market trends.  We began by discussing the impacts of the Covid-19 pandemic in insurance-linked securities (ILS). Hilti explained that the Credit Suisse ILS team had been closely watching the situation develop since they were alerted to it back in January.  "We run life and non-life on our platform. This was generally something where we expect a significant importance for our life business. On the non-life side we also expected that a pandemic is going to have a significant impact on the insurance industry and also on the financial markets," he explained.  Adding that, "On the operational side it's really not a big impact, apart from travelling. On the business side, Covid-19 definitely has impacts."  In terms of specifics, Hilti said, "In the life business you definitely have to prepare and you can. That means looking into liquidity and also whether you can still de-risk at this point in time. And also putting up some hedges, which we did for both life and non-life relatively early on in the process.  "We had a lot of technology and models helping us on the pandemic side, but I would say so far, on the life side the impact, yes we see some mark-to-market movements, but at the moment we believe there will be very little to no loss of notional if the pandemic stays contained in developed countries, as we see it at the moment."  "But it's far to early to say that this is over," Hilti cautioned.  He added that, "On the non-life side, the catastrophe ILS side was as expected affected by the flight to liquidity of investors. For us that was more of an opportunity and not too dissimilar to what we saw in 2008."  On the market for property insurance or reinsurance and business interruption, he added, "Insurance is definitely impacted. Reinsurance is somehow impacted. And then ILS is less impacted than these two segments of the overall market. But for the reinsurance industry it's a tough event."
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Jun 24, 2020 • 35min

15: RMS' Jin Shah & Jeff Waters, Jun 2020 - on hurricanes, risk models & analytics for ILS & reinsurance

With hurricane season now officially underway we spoke with Jin Shah, Director, Capital Markets & Resilience and Jeff Waters, Senior Product Manager both of catastrophe risk modelling specialist RMS.  RMS provides risk analytics, modelling and data services to the insurance, reinsurance and insurance-linked securities (ILS) industry, so with hurricane season upon us we discussed the outlook for the months ahead with Jin and Jeff.  The pair discussed the forecast outlook for the 2020 Atlantic hurricane season and the tools that RMS offers to help companies in the re/insurance and ILS market better understand their exposures.  Encouragingly, the ILS market is "making a real investment in the analytical processes and workflows that will result in an underwriting process that hopefully mitigates against surprise results," Jin Shah explained.  We discussed the potential impacts of the Covid-19 pandemic on catastrophe response and claims assessment, as well as how the pandemic lockdown and parking of assets has changed the exposure of the industry to a degree.  Waters highlighted that, "Our models do have a lot of flexibility for our users to conduct sensitivity tests and essentially generate their own view of risk for situations like this."  Shah discussed the RMS products that help ILS funds and insurance-linked investors to better understand the threats posed to their portfolios when a hurricane is heading for land.  "This year we're extending the insights and now we've got this notion of a conditional probability of attachment, based on a given level of industry loss," he told us.  This will help ILS investors analyse what specific storm impacts could mean for their catastrophe bond profiles, Shah further explained.  Shah also told us that RMS' tools can show revised probability of attachments for different ILS assets based on given industry loss scenarios.  RMS will also deliver its daily event selection as a risk profile through RMS' Miu platform, which will allow ILS fund managers to analyse their private transactions as well, not just cat bonds, so they can provide better insights to their investor customers.
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Jun 19, 2020 • 21min

14: Reinsurance capital inflows vs pricing, a dynamic balancing-act

In this podcast episode we discuss current reinsurance market dynamics and the balancing-act that is capital inflows vs pricing and rate pressure. In a recent article we said that it's a fine line between accolades achieved through raising significant sums of new capital and rate pressure returning to the reinsurance market. In this podcast we summarise some of these thoughts and go into more detail, of relevance to the segment of the market focused on property reinsurance and in particular catastrophe risks (where Artemis is most focused, due to its insurance-linked securities (ILS) market leaning). The property reinsurance and catastrophe risk segment is not an area of the market that is particularly poorly capitalised throughout, but much of the capital raising activity is going to result in reinsurance and insurance players diverting more capacity to this area. With ILS funds and other insurance-linked securities (ILS) ventures likely to bring even more capital to market over the coming 12 months, we wonder whether there could be a return to an over-capitalised segment in property catastrophe reinsurance and retrocession risks? Or whether discipline will prevail and the market control its appetite, while enforcing a much needed and somewhat raised (from previous levels) pricing floor.
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Jun 16, 2020 • 30min

13: Matt Jones, Anthemis, May 2020 - talking insurtech (insurance & reinsurance technology) startups

Matt Jones, Principal at financial technology (fintech), insurance or reinsurance technology (insurtech) venture capital investment firm Anthemis joined us for our latest video interview.  Jones talked about the venture investing thesis at Anthemis, the sectors of fintech and insurtech that excite the company, as well as his views on the insurtech wave that has spread across insurance and reinsurance markets in recent years.  "If I think about the investment thesis we've got... within the insurance industry everything is in scope, at least at this point. We still feel that there are sufficient opportunities across pretty much all lines of business, whether it's P&C, life and health, primary or reinsurance and across the entire value-chain," Jones explained.  "We're also investing in a series of other spaces that we call adjacencies. These are where there are opportunities to embed financial products, or insurance products, into other industries and where you can see other businesses being built that could have a knock-on impact on the insurance industry further down the line," he continued.  He discussed trends in insurtech, both before and now through the lens of the Covid-19 pandemic, as well as where Anthemis sees opportunities going forwards.  On the potential for the capital markets and insurance-linked securities (ILS) funds to work alongside insurtech start-ups, Jones sees companies looking to efficiency, in terms of capital and reinsurance capacity.  Jones said, "One of the things we see our start-ups spending a lot of time thinking through, is what is the most efficient form of capital that I should be working with, or the best form of capital.  "Is it the reciprocal model, is it traditional reinsurance, is it having their own carrier. You know, is it doing something using derivatives in Bermuda, for example. For each start-up there's going to be an ideal answer, I think."
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Jun 9, 2020 • 29min

12: Michael Millette, Hudson Structured, May 2020 - on ILS & reinsurance investing beyond Covid-19

Michael Millette, Founder & Managing Partner at Hudson Structured Capital Management, a specialist alternative asset manager with a focus on sourcing insurance and reinsurance linked returns for its investors, joined us for our latest video interview.  Millette discussed insurance-linked securities (ILS) and reinsurance investing, giving his view on prospects for the ILS asset class beyond the Covid-19 pandemic and what that may bring for investors.  "Tragedy and history. This is as near to what any of us have seen in our lifetimes, an event affecting everybody all around the world, so it's tragic and likewise it's historic," Millette said.  On the Lloyd's of London estimate for a $107 billion non-life industry loss, he commented, "I expect that's in the right neighbourhood. We have been talking and thinking about losses on that scale.  "It's interesting though, this is not just a gigantic catastrophe loss, although it is a gigantic global catastrophe. This is a massive horizontal loss for the industry."  He went on to explain what this could all mean for the ILS fund and reinsurance linked investment market.  Describing some of the immediate opportunities that could arise in specific lines of business, as well as in investing in insurtech start-ups, saying "this a digital forcing event around the world" and calling it "the insurtech moment."
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Jun 3, 2020 • 25min

11: Sean Bourgeois, Tremor Technologies, May 2020 - on programmatic reinsurance risk placement & trading

We spoke with Sean Bourgeois, Founder & CEO of technology-based programmatic insurance and reinsurance risk transfer marketplace provider Tremor Technologies Inc.  Bourgeois explained how the marketplace Tremor has created works, as well as its value proposition for insurance and reinsurance market participants.  "We bring modern liquidity, while preserving relationships for cedents, brokers and reinsurers, essentially matching risk and capital much more efficiently than the traditional process today," Bourgeois explained.  Adding, "The heart and soul of what we do really is about price discovery and syndication of risk, using technology to do that."  He also discussed the industry-loss warranty (ILW) auctions that Tremor has been running on a weekly basis and how the data gathered on supply and demand appetite can be important for the broader market.  The discussion also covered current reinsurance renewal market conditions and how technology can assist in clearing the market, particularly when conditions are more challenging as we've seen of late.  "We see tremendous opportunity for brokers to capture that programmatic trading capability and in the case of where we sit today, to help unlock supply, help their clients complete programs, whether a full program or a shortfall, using technologies like we have," he said.  Overall, he said the goal at Tremor is to help all sides much more efficiently transfer risk in the reinsurance and wholesale risk insurance markets.
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May 29, 2020 • 21min

10: Cat bonds, ILW's, sidecars, retro, renewals, oh my!

In this episode we discuss the fascinating state of the insurance-linked securities (ILS) and reinsurance market at this time, focusing on catastrophe bonds, industry loss warranty's (ILW's), reinsurance sidecars, retrocesssion and the mid-year renewals. With speculative capacity now being seen in the market, speculative covers being sought, and rates hardening in property catastrophe reinsurance, we find ourselves in a market the likes of which has not been seen for more than a decade. We discuss the buoyant catastrophe bond market, which has proven particularly resilient to the Covid-19 pandemic, the ILW market which has been struggling to clear, the reinsurance sidecar market where some sponsors are struggling for capacity and retrocession which some are calling dysfunctional. Feeding into these markets are the same set of dynamics. The losses of recent years, the ILS market impacts seen from trapped capital, the contraction of the retrocession offering, then the pandemic losses and investment side impacts, as well as now the ongoing uncertainty over what this all means for the coming months and years ahead. All of which shapes the market for a fascinating second-half and potentially a lot of hedging activity.
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May 27, 2020 • 28min

9: Cory Anger, GC Securities, May 2020 - on catastrophe bonds, ILS & reinsurance during Covid-19

Cory Anger, Managing Director of GC Securities, the capital markets and insurance-linked securities (ILS) unit of reinsurance broker Guy Carpenter, joined us to discuss the state of the catastrophe bond and ILS market, under the lens of the Covid-19 pandemic.  Anger noted the strong start to the year for catastrophe bond issuance in 2020 and said that despite the initial hit caused by the pandemic, issuance is expected to remain robust.  The catastrophe bond continues to offer the protection many cedents are seeking, while enabling them to diversify their reinsurance and retrocessional capital sources, Anger said and also noted the investor case as well.  "One of the things I'm most proud of is that this marketplace again has reaffirmed that it does perform differently to the broader capital markets," Anger explained.  Highlighting the performance of ILS versus other asset classes and how ILS exhibited positive features under the pandemic-hit market conditions, Anger said, "We had a more muted reaction, as represented through the cat bond index, to the valuation of this product. But if you look at more traditional asset classes, if you looked at the same time period for the S&P 500, they were down almost 23%.  "When you also look at the correlation of ILS, represented by cat bonds, you can see a substantially lower correlation pattern between ILS and the other asset classes."  Anger went on to discuss what this means for investment allocations to ILS and reinsurance going forwards.
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May 22, 2020 • 21min

8: Luca Albertini, Leadenhall Capital Partners, May 2020 - on ILS, cat bonds, reinsurance and Covid-19

Luca Albertini, CEO of London headquartered insurance-linked securities (ILS) and reinsurance related investments manger Leadenhall Capital Partners LLP, joined us for a discussion about the state of ILS and reinsurance under Covid-19 pandemic conditions.  Albertini noted the ability of the insurance-linked securities (ILS) and catastrophe bond market to bounce back from the initial effects of broader financial market volatility due to the pandemic.  He went on to discuss the market opportunity to provide more pandemic insurance and reinsurance coverage, as well as the role of ILS funds and ILS investors in delivering on that.  "Something can be structured which affirmatively protects against pandemic for the commercial insurers. If we find that the demand is actually too big, then yes there is a role for public-private partnerships where you could have some backstop from the various governments," Albertini said.  Further explaining that, "Then, like we've seen for flood or terrorism, you could have the cat bond market, or the ILS market, providing some capacity to the governments."
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May 18, 2020 • 29min

7: Stephan Ruoff, Schroder Secquaero, May 2020 - on ILS, cat bonds & Covid-19 reinsurance market trends

Our latest interview saw us joined by Stephan Ruoff the Deputy Head of insurance-linked securities (ILS) asset manager Schroder Secquaero, a specialist division of global investment group Schroders.  During our discussion, Stephan explained that it seemed to take the reinsurance and ILS industry longer than expected to begin to understand the exposure it faces from the pandemic, as it is unprecedented in global reach compared to prior experience.  "Now what we see is a real, real test for the industry," he explained.  On the question of the liquidity seen in the catastrophe bond market on the back of pandemic driven financial market volatility and whether Schroder Secquaero found specific opportunities there, he explained, "Secondary market trading has indeed offered good opportunities. "We have, usually, a good liquidity position that helped us to trade in a number of instances and helped us also to enhance the portfolios that we run for our investors."  However, he went on to say that this window of opportunity was not particularly long.  So ILS fund managers and catastrophe bond investors had to be ready to take advantage of it, which Schroder Secquaero certainly seemed to be.

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