
Beyond Coding
Beyond Coding is a weekly podcast with conversations that go "beyond coding" in a fireside chat format.
Common topics are tech, entrepreneurship, and career journeys.
Authentic, informative and inspiring. That's the aim for each episode.
New episodes every Wednesday 🎙
Latest episodes

Jan 26, 2022 • 44min
How Software keeps Evolving and is never Done with Jessica Kerr
Software has become much more like biology nowadays. It's much more about the interactions and about evolving with the outside world.
Some of the topics we cover this episode, in order:
☑️ How software evolves
☑️ Is software doomed to become legacy?
☑️ Rewrite vs Revamp… or both?
☑️ Developers love having impact
☑️ Shared ownership and the software lifecycle
My favourite takeaways from Jessica this episode:
- Rewrite vs Revamp. Why not both?! It doesn’t look efficient, but it’s a lot more cost effective than only working on the rewrite and then throwing it away two years later.
- What we do has evolved and is more analogous to biology than it is to physics. It used to be about getting the computer to solve this logic problem for you. And now it’s much more about the interactions.
More Jessica:
https://jessitron.com/
Enjoy!

Jan 19, 2022 • 42min
Cloud Financial Management - FinOps with Michel Zitman
We invited Michel Zitman on to talk about Cloud Financial Management.
Shorthand: FinOps.
Some of the topics we cover this episode, in order:
☑️ Cloud financial management - FinOps explained
☑️ How Cloud Cost inefficiency occurs in the first place
☑️ FinOps as a skill
☑️ Where most Cloud Costs occur, and how to reduce those costs
☑️ Big chunks of optimizations already, and much more when looking ahead
My favourite quotes from Michel this episode:
- "Awareness increases accountability, which in turn increases awareness."
- "Turn off your cloud resources when you don't use them, just like how you would turn off the lights when you leave home."
Enjoy!

Jan 12, 2022 • 51min
Improving the Engineering Experience with Hassan Habib
Hassan Habib shares the guidelines he's put into practise when it comes to improving the engineering experience. The main goal: Make engineers enjoy what they're doing :)
Some of the topics we cover this episode, in order:
☑️ Increasing the joy of creating software
☑️ The 3 most important aspects to make engineers happy
☑️ Developers communicating with end users
☑️ Introducing standardisation
☑️ Speaking a language people understand
My favourite quotes from Hassan Habib this episode:
- "If your software engineers are hungry, your code is gonna be hungry, it's gonna be angry"
- "If you're talking ideas and possibilities, you have to bring the engineers to the table. You have to have them see the customers and make the connection"
Enjoy!

Jan 5, 2022 • 51min
Speed vs Quality in Software Development with Albert Brand
Some of the topics we cover this episode, in order:
☑️ The power of the right environment
☑️ Evolving software vs rebuilding it, and the not invented here syndrome
☑️ Trust is very complex
☑️ What does 100% unit test coverage mean?
☑️ The sweet spot of quality and speed
My favourite quotes from Albert Brand this episode:
- "Are you really going fast when it slows you down later?"
- "Isn't speed just another quality?"
Enjoy!

Dec 29, 2021 • 53min
Making Developers more Effective with Marcelo Sousa
Some of the topics we cover this episode, in order:
☑️ Solving practical problems for engineers
☑️ Code reviews are becoming a big problem in our industry
☑️ Leveraging tools to better understand code
☑️ A startup with developers as target audience
☑️ Remote company culture
Enjoy!

Dec 22, 2021 • 47min
Psychological Safety with Gitte Klitgaard
Some of the topics we cover this episode, in order:
- The what and why of Psychological Safety
- High performing teams
- Awareness of how you act and communicate
- Imposter Syndrome
- The value of personal feedback

Dec 15, 2021 • 42min
A Career in Coding with Johan Janssen
Some of the topics we cover this episode, in this order:
- Tips when just starting out
- Going outside of your comfort zone
- The Full Stack term
- The challenges of forming a great team
- Stability versus Experimentation
- The benefits of teaching

Dec 8, 2021 • 43min
Modular Software Development with Andre Borgonovo
Some of the topics we cover in this episode:
- What Modular Software Development is
- When to split your application, and how to split it
- The role of Software Architect in a cross-functional team
- When and how organisations adapt new tech
- Hire for mindset, train for skill, and the joy of working in diverse groups

Dec 1, 2021 • 35min
The MLOps mindset with Roman Ivanov and Julian de Ruiter
After seeing the title, you might wonder: "What is MLOps?". That's also what I was thinking... But no worries, Roman and Julian explain exactly what it is! On top of that, we go over how to bring your machine learning model to production, the right way, and some of the challenges you might face along the way.
This episode was recorded live in collaboration with GoDataFest: Festival of Data Technology, and Club Cloud: Global Cloud Festival!
Because it was recorded live, the intro is slightly different than what you're used to :)
Enjoy!

Nov 24, 2021 • 38min
The power of Kotlin with Paulien van Alst and Urs Peter
You might've heard of this new-ish kid on the block: Kotlin!
And like all programming languages, it's a tool to get the job done. There is no "right" pick, just pros and cons, and Kotlin is no exception. However, the pros of Kotlin certainly make it sound appealing. One of the main benefits that stood out to me from this conversation is very simple: code clarity.
If the use of Kotlin as a language creates clarity for the engineers and teams that use it, it's a very powerful tool that contributes to their productivity.
Enjoy!