
Strange Customs with Sasha Sagan
Why do we do things the way we do them? We take on customs from our ancestors, then teach them to the next generation, often without thinking. But when we take a step back, they can seem bizarre, arbitrary...and sometimes, profoundly beautiful.
Join Sasha Sagan, author of "For Small Creatures Such as We," as she talks to smart, funny, interesting celebrities and scholars, uncovering just how weirdly wonderful we Earthlings can be.
Latest episodes

May 23, 2023 • 1h 7min
Dario Robleto—The Special
The season 1 finale of Strange Customs brings Sasha Sagan to an extraordinary Chicago exhibition for a conversation with the artist, Dario Robleto. Situated at the intersection of art and science, the show also has its inspiration and roots in Sasha's own family.We'll also hear from Harvard art historian Dr. Jennifer Roberts about the ways art and science share a mission to extend our vision beyond the horizon.

May 16, 2023 • 53min
Kiley Reid—The Care
Host Sasha Sagan talks to NYT best-selling novelist KILEY REID (Such a Fun Age) about a tradition that has evolved out of necessity from family and community participation to an economic arrangement with strangers.We'll also hear from sociologist DR. TAMARA MOSE about the roots of the tradition that still echo in unfair practices today.

Apr 25, 2023 • 55min
Lily Rabe—The Exchange
Sasha Sagan talks with actor-director LILY RABE about a supposedly heartwarming tradition that strikes terror and shame in both their hearts.We'll also hear from DR. ANDREA VOYER, a sociologist and historian of social norms at Stockholm University, about her research using etiquette as a lens on changing societies.

Apr 18, 2023 • 58min
Bill Nye—The Rhythm
Sasha is joined by science communicator BILL NYE and historian of technology DAVID ROONEY to discuss a concept that measures, slices, defines, and controls our lives more than any other.Bill Nye photo by Neil Grabowsky / Montclair Film under CC-BY 2.0

Apr 4, 2023 • 58min
Greg Epstein—The Transformation
In this captivating discussion, Greg Epstein, a humanist rabbi and bestselling author, joins Dr. Carole Cusack, a historian of religion, to delve into the complexities of cultural traditions like Passover. They explore how rituals shape identity, the tension between ancient practices and modern sensibilities, and the significance of storytelling in processing history. With themes of freedom and resilience woven throughout, they also examine the unique challenges of preserving traditions in contemporary contexts and the bonds between cultural heritage and the natural world.

Mar 28, 2023 • 44min
Kirsten Dunst—The Trick
Actor KIRSTEN DUNST tells Sasha about the big lie she told her husband, the constant lies that bond her to her son—and why it's all good.We'll also hear from folklorist DR. JEANA JORGENSEN about the cross-cultural history of messing with each other.

Mar 14, 2023 • 57min
Sarafina El-Badry Nance—The Grasp
Sasha Sagan talks to astrophysicist SARAFINA EL-BADRY NANCE about the way we bring the world into our awareness and keep it there.We'll also hear from USC neuroscience researcher MARY HELEN IMMORDINO-YANG about the unexpected ways we achieve this everyday process.

Mar 7, 2023 • 60min
Troian Bellisario—The Portal
Sasha Sagan talks to actor TROIAN BELLISARIO (Pretty Little Liars, Life on Mars) about a tradition older than our species, and the unusual (and slightly terrifying) way Troian once experienced it.We'll also hear from professor and author RANDI HUTTER EPSTEIN (Get Me Out: A History of Childbirth from the Garden of Eden to the Sperm Bank) about the often strange and disturbing history of the tradition.

Feb 28, 2023 • 54min
Amanda Montell—The Code
Sasha Sagan talks to author and linguist AMANDA MONTELL about our strange habit of communicating with patterns of vibrations emanating from our faces.We’ll also hear from linguist DR. SONJA LANEHART about how these patterns vary, spread, and change—and how they help define who and what we are.

Feb 14, 2023 • 52min
Katie Lowes and Adam Shapiro—The Rock
Sasha Sagan sits down with actors KATIE LOWES and ADAM SHAPIRO to explore a common custom that seems rooted in antiquity but is younger than Cher.We’ll also hear from author RACHAEL LENNON about the surprising origins of the custom and how we might coax it away from its problematic features and into the 21st century.