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This week’s episode features interviews with the leaders of four entrepreneurial companies -- PathWater co-founder and CEO Shadi Bakour, Lumi Juice founder/CEO Hillary Murray, Aloha CEO Brad Charron, and Origin Almond founder/CEO Jake Deleon -- reflecting on advice that, in hindsight, they should have avoided. Show notes: 1:21: Socks, Snacks, Pickles and Plant-Based Protein -- The episode’s hosts chatted about an upcoming movie featuring Tom Hanks as Mr. Rogers, chewed on stuffed date snacks and discussed the emergence of snackable pickles. They also spoke about a proposed bill that would limit how brands can market plant-based meat and why the Livestream Studio at NOSH Live Winter 2019 might make you famous. 16:27: Interview: Shadi Bakour, CEO, PathWater -- Bakour, who co-founded reusable water bottle brand PathWater in 2015, reflects upon the variety of advice he’s received over the past four years, discussed why good advice and investment usually go hand-in-hand and urged entrepreneurs to vest their equity. 19:00: Interview: Hillary Lewis Murray, Founder/CEO, Lumi Juice -- When Murray pitched her plan for cold-pressed juice and shot brand Lumi Juice in New Beverage Showdown 6 at BevNET Live Winter 2013, the competition's judges advised her not to launch a manufacturing facility. In this interview, she explained why she didn’t take their advice and discussed the result of her decision. 24:10: Interview: Brad Charron, CEO, Aloha -- Charron, a veteran CPG executive who also joined us for an interview in Taste Radio Insider Ep. 12, advised against conforming to company culture at the sake of personal identity and explained why “being yourself” is critical for innovative thinking.  28:18: Interview: Jake Deleon, Founder/CEO, Origin Almond -- A former marketing executive with Procter & Gamble and Starbucks, Deleon launched his cold-pressed almond juice brand in 2016. In our interview, he explained why early-stage entrepreneurs should be wary of the advice to “go with your gut.” Brands in this episode: Liquid Death, Colt45, Velveeta, Native State Foods, Little Secrets, Unreal Candy, Grillo’s Pickles, Rick’s Picks, McClure’s Pickles, Pulp Pantry, Hodo Foods, Sweet Earth Enlightened Foods, PathWater, Lumi Juice, Aloha, Chobani, Origin Almond

These days, it’s commonplace to see vegan restaurants in cities across America. Just a few years ago, however, few options existed and the ones that did weren’t very good, according to T.K. Pillan, the chairman and co-founder of fast-casual restaurant chain Veggie Grill. A former tech entrepreneur, Pillan sold his web development company in 2004 and set out to create a destination for delicious vegan food with wide consumer appeal. He and co-founder Kevin Boylan opened the first Veggie Grill location in Irvine, California in 2006 and the store was an instant hit. Thirteen years later, Veggie Grill now has 37 locations and is planning to operate 50 stores by 2020. Pillan is also a partner with Powerplant Ventures, which invests in disruptive plant-centric concepts. In an interview included in this episode, Pillan spoke about his transition from tech to food, how the first Veggie Grill got off the ground and why the company has taken a patient approach to expansion. He also explained why it’s critical for co-founders to be aligned on vision and values, what means to be “a good investor” and discussed the evolution of plant-based food brands. Show notes:  2:44: Interview: T.K. Pillan, Co-Founder, Veggie Grill/PowerPlant Ventures -- NOSH editor Carol Ortenberg spoke with Pillan about his background in business, how he became passionate about food as medicine and the “light bulbs” that led to the creation of Veggie Grill. He also discussed the common theme in all of his businesses, why it’s critical for co-founders to have a clear understanding of roles and complementary skill sets, resolving challenges at Veggie Grill’s second location and why he describes growth plans as “a double-edged sword.” Later, he explained why hiring a CEO was key to managing expansion, why he believes “alignment is 1% and execution is 99%” and how Veggie Grill evaluates brand partnerships. Pillan also spoke about his work with PowerPlant Ventures, opportunities to innovate in plant-based food and his thoughts about Burger King’s plant-based Impossible Whopper. Brands in this episode: Beyond Meat, Follow Your Heart, Daiya, Gardein, REBBL, Ripple, Beanfields, Health Warrior, Impossible Foods

James McMaster, the CEO of Huel, a fast-growing brand of nutritionally complete meal replacement powders and RTD beverages, doesn’t mind a little chaos.  At the helm of a brand whose products are sold in 80 countries and are expected to generate over $50 million in sales in 2019, McMaster compares the U.K.-based company’s growth to that of an amusement park ride. “You’re on this roller coaster and you’re trying to keep it under control, but you like it being slightly out of control so it can breathe and reach its potential,” McMaster said in an interview included in this episode. “At the same time, you have to keep building foundations behind you.” Founded in 2015, Huel, which derives its name from “human” and “fuel,” has built a thriving direct-to-consumer business in Europe and the U.S. While e-commerce is the brand’s primary focus, Huel has gradually introduced distribution to brick-and-mortar retailers in order to broaden accessibility and awareness of its products. As part of our conversation, McMaster spoke about how Huel has managed growth in multiple countries, the challenges that come with rapid expansion and why formal referral programs are central to its consumer acquisition strategy. Show notes: 1:25: ‘Tis The Season For Sampling, Slams and Showdowns — The episode’s hosts chatted about the upcoming BevNET Live and NOSH Live Winter 2019 conferences and opportunities for entrepreneurs to showcase their brands and products at the events. They also spoke about upcoming deadlines for the NOSH Live’s Pitch Slam and BevNET Live’s New Beverage Showdown competitions and tips on how brands can work with retailers during the busy holiday season. 13:18: Interview: James McMaster, CEO, Huel -- In an interview recorded at the 2019 Bread & Jam Festival in London, McMaster spoke with BevNET CMO Mike Schneider about his work experience prior to joining Huel and why he was drawn to the company’s purpose-driven mission. He also discussed brand’s target consumers, why its foray into the U.S. came with a few growing pains, and lessons from launching in other countries. McMaster spoke about keys to effective communication across global offices and why Huel created a “culture book” for its employees, why direct-to-consumer has been so successful for the brand and what he views as the evolution of and potential for the category of meal replacement foods and beverages. Brands in this episode: Huel, Gü, Ella’s Kitchen, UP&GO

Known as the “Consumer Reports of cooking,” America’s Test Kitchen has supplied intricately researched recipes, tips and recommendations to millions of home chefs since 1980. Born as a magazine publisher, the company launched an eponymous television show in 1999 and has since become a prolific content producer that publishes 15 new cookbooks annually, in addition to streaming video and a kids platform. In an interview included in this episode, David Nussbaum, the chairman and CEO of America’s Test Kitchen, spoke about how the company has maintained a loyal following amid a changing landscape for food and media, how it evaluates its role as a thought leader, and how trends, competition and technology factor into its future. This episode is presented by Flavorman, the beverage architects. Show notes:  2:27: Interview: David Nussbaum, Chairman/CEO, America’s Test Kitchen — In an interview recorded at America’s Test Kitchen headquarters in Boston, Nussbaum spoke with Taste Radio editor Ray Latif about his path from a wide-eyed journalism major to the head of a cooking media empire. He also discussed why trust is the company’s most important asset, why America’s Test Kitchen spends $10,000 to test a recipe before publishing it and how competition factors into its business strategy. Later, he explained why “we don’t do anything without knowing our consumers’ needs, wants, desires [and] likes,” his strained relationship with former America’s Test Kitchen host Christopher Kimball and (the rare occasion) when bucking research worked. Nussbaum also spoke about the company’s popular live events and its investment in streaming and podcast platforms, offered his thoughts on cannabis in the kitchen and made a remarkable admission about his personal interest in cooking.

In this episode, we’re joined by Kelly Heekin and Ben Schmidt, the co-founders of premium hydration beverage brand Hoist, who discussed their strategy for mainstreaming a niche concept. Founded in 2009, Hoist was developed to be a more palatable version of Pedialyte, which in recent years has attracted a following among adults who use the products as rapid-hydration recovery drinks. Heekin and Schmidt said that while Hoist was ahead of its time, they were willing to be patient and wait for the market to catch up to the opportunity. “To be successful in this industry, you have to have the staying power and the ability to adapt,” Schmidt said. “It’s not going to be an overnight success, that’s for sure.” The co-founders explained how they incubated the brand for years in their backyard of Cincinnati, which allowed them to learn from mistakes before embarking on a national launch. That strategy is bearing fruit: Hoist is currently available in 10,000 retail locations across the U.S. As part of our interview, Heekin and Schmidt spoke about the genesis of Hoist and how they communicated their vision to stakeholders. They also explained why they haven’t taken any outside capital and how the brand has won placement and a loyal following at military retail stores. Show notes: 1:40: Martín, Maradona and Mad Tasty -- The hosts discussed a new documentary about legendary soccer player Diego Maradona, whether Mike’s blue sweater made him look more like Jason Seaver or Fred Rogers, and a canned negroni that everyone seemed to like. They also spoke about why some brands are using the word “hemp” in place of CBD, the rise of caffeinated sparkling waters, and how to meet everyone that you’d want to meet at BevNET Live.  15:55: Interview: Kelly Heekin and Ben Schmidt, Co-Founders, Hoist -- In an interview recorded at the 2019 National Association of Convenience Stores show, Heekin and Schmidt spoke with Taste Radio editor Ray Latif about how seeing Pedialyte consumed on NFL sidelines spurred the creation of Hoist, and the timing of the brand’s launch. They also discussed Hoist’s initial positioning as a hangover recovery drink and its eventual revamp and why most consumers don’t care about the science behind functionality. Later, they explained how they attracted two industry heavyweights to join their board, and how they built a strong presence at U.S. military bases. Brands in this episode: Tip Top Cocktails, Mad Tasty, Ugly Drinks, Sunshine Beverage Co., Hiball, Guru Energy, Hoist, Essentia, Pedialyte, Gatorade, Powerade, BodyArmor, Starbucks, Aquahydrate

When asked about her company’s innovation strategy, Rachel Drori, the founder/CEO of popular direct-to-consumer food brand Daily Harvest, highlighted the concept  of “co-creating.”  “When our community asks, we deliver,” she said in an interview included in this episode. “We don’t walk, we run and move fast when innovating.” That “co-creating” process involves a constant and thoughtful dialogue with its customers and has supported Daily Harvest’s rise to one of the fastest growing food companies in the U.S. In just four years, it has amassed hundreds of thousands of subscribers and attracted several high-profile investors, including Goop founder and Oscar-winning actress Gwenth Paltrow and tennis icon Serena Williams. In 2017, the company raised $43 million in a Series B round to help it scale its direct-to-consumer model.  As part of our conversation, Drori spoke about Daily Harvest’s mission and rapid growth, the sophisticated way that the company uses social media to rapidly innovate and iterate and why the team “celebrates failure.” Show notes:  2:33: Interview: Rachel Drori, Founder/CEO, Daily Harvest -- Drori spoke with NOSH editor Carol Ortenberg about her work experience prior to launching Daily Harvest, why she “had to kiss a lot of frogs” before finding the right investment partners for the company and why she chose a direct-to-consumer model. She also explained why “we don’t see ourselves as a food company” and how a former role in hospitality taught her that customer service “is not just about meeting needs, but anticipating them.” Later, she discussed why social media is “not just a one-way relationship,” and how “data is just part of the story” in understanding consumer needs. She also spoke about Daily Harvest’s “Filling Station” pop-up store, why the company employs a “squad model” and why she believes that hiring is “as much art as it is science.” Brands in this episode: Daily Harvest

In this episode, we feature an interview with Shilen Patel, the co-founder of Distill Ventures (DV), a U.K.-based venture capital firm and accelerator that invests in disruptive distilled spirit companies and non-alcoholic beverage brands.  Launched in 2013, DV is backed by Diageo, the global spirits conglomerate whose portfolio includes iconic brands like Johnnie Walker and Bulleit Bourbon. Over the past six years, DV has invested approximately $80 million in over 15 small and early-stage brands, including Westward American Single Malt whiskey and non-alcoholic spirit Seedlip.  As part of our conversation, Patel discussed DV’s mission and relationship with Diageo, why he’s bullish about the future of low- and no-alcohol adult beverages, and why quality is of paramount importance to DV’s investment philosophy. Show notes: 1:15: An Ode To Press Your Luck, Kelp Jerky, #GGMU -- The episode’s hosts convened for a conversation about Ray’s former dream job (note: he’s living the current one), why Jay-Z might be at Taste Radio Live and why John is not a fan of plant-based snack brands that describe their products as “jerky.” They also discussed Carol’s recent trips to Denver and New Orleans, and a fabulous new product that celebrates the greatest Premier League team of all time. 16:55: Interview: Shilen Patel, Co-Founder, Distill Ventures -- Patel met with BevNET’s John Craven and Mike Schneider in London and spoke about the formation of DV and why he believes that investing is brands is about “going slower to get faster.” He also discussed why DV has an “entrepreneur first” mindset, the diverse reasons behind consumers’ increasing interest in non-alcoholic adult beverages and why those products have to be “equal to or better” than a consumer’s favorite alcoholic drink for them to be successful. He also shared his perspective on the growth opportunity for non-alcoholic adult beverages, his greatest fear for the segment and DV’s criteria for funding new concepts. Brands in this episode: D’Usse, Zuma Valley, Akua, The Mushroom Benefit, Solely Jerky, Enjoy Life, Minor Figures, Big Easy Bucha, Chivas Regal, Johnnie Walker, Bulleit Bourbon, Seedlip, Westward Whiskey, Starward Whiskey, Stauning Whiskey

It’s commonplace these days to see household and personal care products that are designed to be better for you and less harmful to the environment. But not too long ago, those items were few and far between, marketed by just a handful of brands -- one of which was Seventh Generation, a mail order business co-founded by Jeffrey Hollender. Launched in 1988, the company gradually evolved into a pioneering retail brand known for social responsibility and sustainable practices. In 2016, consumer products conglomerate Unilever purchased Seventh Generation for an estimated $700 million.  Despite an acrimonious split with the company in 2010, Hollender eventually returned as a board member in 2017. He’s also currently the CEO and co-founder of the American Sustainable Business Council (ASBC), an advocacy group that represents the interests of socially responsible companies and an adjunct professor of sustainability and social entrepreneurship at NYU’s Stern Business School, as well as a member of the board at Greenpeace.  In the following interview, Hollender spoke about the ASBC’s mission, his initial foray into entrepreneurship, the genesis of Seventh Generation and how the company eventually grew into its own. He also explained why he embraced the nickname “Chief Inspired Protagonist” and what he believes were the reasons behind his ouster. Later, he discussed the ways in which he supports socially responsible companies and progressive causes and why he urges brand owners to confront the reality that their products may be “less bad” rather than truly good. Show notes:  3:16: Interview: Jeffrey Hollender, Co-Founder, Seventh Generation -- Hollender spoke with Taste Radio editor Ray Latif for an expansive conversation about his business career, which began with producing audio educational courses. He also explained why his mission in life is “to fundamentally alter the negative trajectory that our world is on” and how his work with the American Sustainable Business Council fits into that goal. Later, he discussed the creation of Seventh Generation, how he educated himself about the business of consumer products, his rift with co-founder Alan Newman and what sparked a turning point for the brand. Later, he spoke about why he stepped down as CEO and why he was unhappy with his replacement, and urged entrepreneurs to be extremely careful about their investment partners. Finally, he discussed how he evaluates opportunities to invest in early-stage companies, such as organic energy shot brand Kafina. Brands in this episode: Seventh Generation, Ben & Jerry’s, Stonyfield, Patagonia, Lego, Organic Valley, Magic Hat, Sustain Natural, Kafina Energy

In this episode, we feature an interview with Jason Shiver, CEO of fast-growing sparkling water brand Waterloo, who discussed his strategy for winning in a crowded and highly competitive category. Launched in 2017, Waterloo, which is promoted as healthier and more flavorful than competing brands,  is backed by high-profile private equity firm CAVU Venture Partners and led by a team of experienced operators, including Shiver, an industry veteran whose resume includes roles at AriZona Beverages, Glutino and SkinnyPop. The company has pursued an aggressive growth strategy, and in just two years Waterloo has become one of the leading sparkling water brands in the natural channel and is carried nationally at Whole Foods and The Fresh Market.  In the following interview, Shiver spoke about Waterloo’s fast start, why the brand’s co-founders hired him as CEO and how he’s applied lessons from past work to his current role. He also addressed growing concerns about added natural flavors, the challenges of managing rapid growth and how he establishes and communicates metrics for success. Show notes: 1:41: What Will Come of VMG’s New Snacking Platform? -- The episode’s hosts chatted about a new grapefruit flavor from New Beverage Showdown 16 winner HopTea, how to save $200 on a ticket for BevNET Live Winter 2019, and some of the speakers and panels on tap for the event. They also touched on a $3 million raise for premium mixer brand Owen’s Craft Mixers and spoke about Popchips/RightRice founder Keith Belling’s upcoming appearance at NOSH Live Winter 2019. Later, they discussed news that VMG, an influential private equity firm has launched a new platform that will that will acquire, incubate and grow snack brands. 15:32: Interview: Jason Shiver, CEO, Waterloo -- Shiver spoke with Taste Radio editor Ray Latif about the formation and mission of Waterloo, his career experience prior to joining the company and why building a team of industry veterans was important to avoiding mistakes. He also explained why the company set out to hit the ground running, addressed concerns about added natural flavors, and why he’s “not trying to guess where the category is going.” Later, he discussed how Waterloo factors competition into its growth strategy, why he compares his work experience at Atkins to getting a doctor’s degree and how he speaks to employees about the long-term vision for the brand. Brands in this episode: HopTea, Dixie Elixirs, AriZona Beverages, Brew Dr. Kombucha, Fiji Water, Owen’s Craft Mixers, PopChips, Justin’s, Spindrift, Humm Kombucha, Naked Juice, From The Ground Up, OWYN, SkinnyPop, SweetLeaf Tea, Bragg, Vitaminwater, Arctic Zero, Waterloo Sparkling Water, LaCroix, Bubly, Glutino, Atkins

Melissa Hartwig Urban, the co-founder/CEO of Whole30, wants to clear up a couple misconceptions about the popular 30-day lifestyle program: it isn’t a diet, and, it isn’t for everyone. What’s indisputable, however, is that Whole30 is a cultural phenomenon that has attracted millions of followers, many of whom adhere to its paleo-centric guidelines even after they complete the program. As a result, Whole30 has grown to influence how many food and beverage brands market and formulate their products, including through its product certification program. In an interview included in this episode, Urban spoke about the origins of Whole30, why she describes it as a short-term “experiment,” and why she is staunchly opposed you against the idea of moderation. She also discussed the selective process for brands to become “Whole30 approved,” why coffee brands are not a part of the program and why most of her work time is spent direct messaging with members of the Whole30 community. She also addresses pushback about promoting processed foods, why being a parent gives her street cred with her community, and why she decided to open up about past challenges in order to have a more authentic connection with Whole30 followers. Show notes:  2:42: Interview: Melissa Hartwig Urban, Co-Founder/CEO, Whole30 -- In a call with Taste Radio editor Ray Latif, Urban discussed the genesis and mission of Whole30, the program’s dietary guidelines, and why it is “not meant to be sustainable.” She also explained why she rejects 9 out of 10 brands that apply to become “Whole30 approved,” why she doesn’t always abide by Whole30’s rules and why she doesn’t respond to criticism about the program. Later, she discussed Whole30’s partnership with meal delivery companies, the importance of accessibility to the program and how she’s learned that “you can’t let perfect be the enemy of good.” She also spoke about her investment philosophy, whether being a parent has changed her outlook on Whole30 and the ways in which the program will evolve and grow over the next decade.  Brands in this episode: Justin’s, Applegate, Organicville, nutpods, Waterloo, Epic Provisions, Serenity Kids, SeaSnax, RXBAR, LARABAR, Tin Star Foods, Mesa De Vida, New Primal, Primal Kitchen