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Momofuku built its reputation as a company that was always willing to stir the pot. It may, however, regret stirring this one. David Chang's restaurant and consumer brand empire is under fire for sending cease-and-desist letters to brands using its trademarked term "chili crunch," a move that has elicited rage among some in the food industry who feel that Momofuku is unfairly targeting small, women-owned and minority-led businesses. The hosts leap into the fray with their own takes on this hot and developing story. They also riff on Japanese TikTok, ASMR videos of people eating, a new spirit brand that, according to the founder, may make your brain "bounce that ass," and a bevy of new food and drinks, including a non-alcoholic negroni and a brand that has "pretzelized" your favorite snacks. Show notes: 0:35: Soccer Talk Eclipses NCAA History. Everyone Seems Agitated, Except VIPs. Jacqui's Finger Wink. – Four hours before his beloved Arsenal is set to take the field, Mike is glistening and hydrating. John and Jacqui wonder who in the audience follows European soccer, and the hosts share their respective opinions on Momofuku's recent legal moves and why they may cause more problems than solutions for the company. Ray highlights the benefits of becoming a Taste Radio VIP, John shares shots of peanut butter-flavored tequila (but not his negroni) although Mike passes on one in lieu of a non-alcoholic cider. The hosts also munch on mochi, praise a modern version of Dunkaroos and entrepreneur Jason Cohen's latest opus, and wonder why Jacqui uses an appendage to move her eyelid. Brands in this episode: Local Weather, Chica Chida, Lapo's, Momofuku, Wynk, This Little Goat, Homiyah, Heinz, Hidden Valley, Fly By Jing, MiLA, Soke, Soula, Original Sin Cider, Pretzelized Snacks, Kokada, Philosopher Foods, Mochi Love, Skrewball Whiskey

What role can bars and mixologists play in protecting Earth's fragile environment? It's a question that Juan Torres Master Distillers, the maker of Torres Brandy, has attempted to answer via an innovative competition. A highly regarded spirits brand based in the Penedès region of Spain, Torres Brandy is the creator of Zero Challenge, an annual international competition whose aim is to promote, identify and reward environmentally friendly solutions in the management of bars and crafting of cocktails. The 2024 Zero Challenge finals were held last month in Barcelona and featured 10 bartenders based in countries from around the world, including Finland, Estonia, Spain, Mexico, Italy, Canada, the United States and the United Arab Emirates. Each presented a project intended to improve sustainability and reduce environmental impact within their bars and included solutions often specific to the impact that climate change is having in their respective regions. They were also challenged to develop a cocktail using Torres Brandy, one that reflected their commitment to a sustainable future. The event spanned the course of three days and included educational tours of the Torres Brandy solera and Familia Torres winery, the latter of which has for decades emphasized the importance of addressing climate change through the use of innovative growing methods and production processes. It culminated in the crowning of Beto del Toro of Mexico's Rufina Mezcalería as the winner of the Zero Challenge competition, a title that came with a grand prize of €30,000. This episode features interviews with four of the key participants in the competition, including Beto Del Toro along with Christian Visalli, the Global Spirits Director for Juan Torres Master Distillers; Loni Lewis, a finalist representing Okan, a restaurant in South Carolina; and Giacomo Giannotti, the owner of the World's 50 Best number one bar Paradiso, and the winner of the inaugural edition of Zero Challenge. Show notes: 2:56: Interview: Christian Visalli, Global Spirits Director, Juan Torres Master Distillers – Surrounded by Familia Torres' vineyards, Christian speaks with Taste Radio editor Ray Latif about a traditional food prepared for the event's guests before explaining the origins, aim and importance of the Zero Challenge competition. He also shares details about the project that won the inaugural edition of the contest, the potential to provide funding for more than one person in future contests and how Familia Torres' ancestral grape varietals project, which was launched 45 years ago, is key to its sustainability goals and benefited the company's innovation and product strategy. 16:22: Interview: Loni Lewis, Bar Manager, Okan – Loni shares details about Okan, a West African and Caribbean-inspired restaurant based in Bluffton, South Carolina and how her concept for a "secret bar" and new food plantings, including moringa and okra, on the premises benefits its sustainability goals. She also explains her approach to preparing for the competition, presenting in a way that gets judges and audience members interested and excited about her idea and why she believes that "waste is a lack of imagination." 27:04: Interview: Giacomo Gianniotti, Owner, Paradiso – Giacomo and Ray chat about the latter's first visit to Paradiso and the bar's copper still themed speakeasy, why it has become a global destination and how he, an Italian, came to Barcelona by way of London. He also discusses the development of Paradiso's Zero Waste Lab, the project that won Torres Brandy's first Zero Challenge competition; how it has supported the bar's sustainability initiatives along with those of the local community; and his role in judging the cocktail component of the 2024 contest. 39:07: Interview: Beto del Toro, Owner, Rufina Mezcalería – An elated Beto explains why winning the competition is the "crown" for Rufina, which he opened nine years ago. He also shares details about his project, which transforms discarded glass bottles into a variety of useful items for the bar, including glasses and barware, which reduces the need for traditional recycling, and how he communicates the importance of sustainability to his patrons. Brands in this episode: Torres Brandy

What happens when a small, but influential, retailer unexpectedly closes all of its stores? What's the impact on suppliers? What does its closure say about the trends it embraced? The hosts share their thoughts on Boisson's surprising shutdown. They also test out an innovative countertop machine that produces on-demand plant-based milk and highlight a motley crew of RTD beverages (including a tomato-flavored tea and pistachio milk latte) as well as an upstart brand of samosa inspired by Caribbean flavors. Show notes: 0:35: Ray Burgundy. We Had An Inkling. Nu & Tasty. Pure Peruvian. Whiskey And Chicken. Churn, Baby. – The opening script is a bit off, but Ray makes an adjustment. The hosts reflect on their 2023 predictions about the future of dry bottle shops and discuss the news about Boisson "restructuring," before Mike whipped up oak milk lattes with the press of a button. They also chat about a secret ginger deal caught on video and what keytars have to do with a buzzy lifestyle trend and indulge in a few treats that John and Doorsa founder Kartik Das provided for the recording. Brands in this episode: Bonbuz, Melati, Numilk, Kenetik, Joopa, GNGR Labs, Agi's Caribbean, Bully Boy Distillers, Bahari Tea, Tache, Kace Tea, Doosra, Djablo, Crystal Jade, Droosh, Churn Butter, Narra

Marguerite Zabar Mariscal is rarely satisfied. It's not in her DNA, she says, nor that of the companies she helms: Momofuku, the admired restaurant group founded by David Chang, and Momofuku Goods, a brand of restaurant-quality pantry items inspired by modern Asian cuisine. Marguerite, who took the reins of Momofuku in 2019 and co-founded its consumer brand the same year, describes the companies' opposition to complacency as "a conscientious objection" that has fueled constant improvement. That mindset helped Momofuku Goods generate $50 million in revenue in 2023, a year in which the brand was available in less than 4,000 retail locations. Despite the remarkable growth of Momofuku Goods, Marguerite is loath to rest on her laurels. She is, however, willing to be patient and cautious – perhaps to a fault – when it comes to the brand's next stage of development. We spoke with Marguerite about her leadership and management of both Momofuku and Momofuku Goods in an interview recorded at Expo West 2024. Within our conversation, she explains why "out-caring the competition" has been a critical part of the companies' history and development, the reason that education about how to use its products is just as important as the food itself, how an intimate understanding of departmental operations has benefited her as a CEO, and why she's intent on building a company that "has optionality." Show notes: 0:35: Marguerite Zabar Mariscal, CEO, Momofuku – Marguerite talks with Taste Radio editor Ray Latif about her experience at Expo West, navigating the early days of the Covid-19 pandemic and why she sees a rising tide in new ethnic food brands as lifting the entire category. She also discusses how Momofuku Goods incorporates data into its business strategy, what keeps her motivated as CEO, why being "inherently pessimistic" helps guide retail strategy and how the company identified and aligned with investors who believe in its patient approach to growth. Marguerite also explains how the restaurant group and consumer brand support each other, how David Chang factors into consumer perception of Momofuku amid post-super chef culture and her mindset that work is never done. Brands in this episode: Momofuku Goods

Join reporters Brad Avery, known for his playful take on marketing, and Lukas Southard, an expert on consumer packaged goods, as they dive into the whimsical world of April Fool's Day marketing. They engage in a fun quiz to differentiate real products from pranks, showcasing wild ideas like yogurt face masks. The conversation also highlights allulose as a rising star in sweeteners, discussing its health benefits while comparing it to diabetes medications. Expect lots of laughter and insight into the creative side of food trends!

Five years ago, seemingly every food and beverage brand was incorporating CBD into its innovation strategy. Of course, that's no longer the case. What generated the hype, and what lessons can be drawn from CBD's rapid rise? The hosts discuss. They also sip and snack their way through an unusual mix of products, including hot dog water (!), crispy beef jerky, candy-flavored coffee and "lox in a box." Show notes: 0:35: Build A Birdhouse. No Habla Anything. Jacqui Got NIL. Leprechauns Are Bad. WTF 7-Eleven. – Mike is back from the Big Apple where he was overseeing preparations for BevNET Live Summer 2024, an event that will give attendees plenty of opportunities to meet one-on-one with retailers, including Whole Foods, and best-in-class service providers. We learn that Ray can't speak a lick of Spanish, Jacqui's bracket is busted and why communication about THC is a relative "brez." The hosts also dive a little too deep into hot dog water, get sauce-y on a couple new-ish products and wonder about eating smoked salmon on a plane. Brands in this episode: Vybes, Recess, Trip, Calexo, Magic Cactus, Brez, Squirt, Fresca, Sprite, Togronis, Crystal Head Vodka, Tip Top Cocktails, Post Meridiem, International Delight, Reese's, Dunkin' Donuts, Chameleon Cold-Brew, Carbone, Le Sauce, Booda Perfect Energy, Acme Smoked Fish, BearMaple, Yay's

Patagonia's CEO, Ryan Gellert, discusses leading the company's efforts to promote responsibly-sourced food and beverages through Patagonia Provisions. Topics include the company's commitment to sustainability, launching innovative products like kernza-based pasta and beer, and the importance of sustainable business practices and communication strategies for brands.

Expo West 2024 remains top of mind for the hosts, who discuss how attendees' perception of innovation and their evaluation of new products has evolved in recent editions of the annual event. They also speak about how a confluence of global flavors and convenient, clean label foods and beverages is a positive sign for the industry as a whole. Show notes: 0:35: Cognitive Jamon. Expo Trollin'. Call Congress. MENA-Licious. Taco Bell Coffee? Paneer Pops. - On location in Barcelona, Ray chats about a notable cocktail competition and wonders if functional ham could be good for the city's denizens. John follows up on his Linkedin post about "meaningful innovation" at Expo West, Mike prompts Ray who prompts listeners to call their elected leaders about an often overlooked topic, and the hosts collectively praise the growing accessibility of high quality, culturally-inspired and occasion-based snacks and frozen meals. John can't stop eating a limited-edition line of chips and recalls when Mike accused a brand of using a famous logo on its cans without permission and Jacqui gives props to paneer. Brands in this episode: Torres Brandy, Homiah, Doosra, Afia, Jimmy Dean, Mason Dixie Foods, Red's All Natural, Rudi's, Deep Indian Kitchen, Aahana's, Yaza Labneh, Anne's Toum, Better Sour, Ziba Foods, Maazah, Crafty Counter, Fabalish, Sunnie, Kokada, Teddy Grahams, Bob Evans Farms, Graza, Torres Potato Chips, Uncle Matt's, Milo's, Beekeeper Coffee, Grounded, Sach Foods, Rind Snacks

Matt Weiss, founder of RIND Snacks, discusses transforming the company into a healthy snack platform. Topics include strategic acquisitions, maximizing capital impact, developing a platform snack brand strategy, and innovative sales and marketing tactics. Weiss emphasizes building a strong team, navigating entrepreneurship challenges, and future goals for sustainable growth.

And, breathe... having combed the cavernous halls of a gargantuan Natural Products Expo West 2024, the hosts had plenty to discuss. From innovative new products and fast-growing categories, to trendy ingredients and exhibitor enthusiasm, this episode provides their first recap of an incredible event. 0:35: We're By The Pool, But Never Touch The Water – The BevNET Airbnb is a fine, if imperfect, venue for the recording. The hosts resist close talkers and agree that Ray sounds like Sting (well, maybe that's just Ray's opinion). An emerging brand gives us the ultimate version of Dunkaroos, better-for you candy and soda (and a couple candy bar brands) are top of mind, but what the heck is Astragalus? A quick refresh, before feasting on plant–based and traditional forms of dumplings, bao and kimbobs. Alec's Ice Cream, Glonuts, Taika, Leisure Project, Brutal Snacks, Kokada, Doosra, Xinca Foods, Rooted Fare, Humble Potato Chips, Uncle Ray's, Ya Oaxaca!, Harken Sweets, Gigantic Candy, Snickers, Laffy Taffy, Starburst, Joyride, YumEarth, Elavi, Olipop, Poppi, Culture Pop, Nixie Sparkling Water, Humm Kombucha, Kor Shots, Pop Off Soda, Rockaway Soda, Moss, Jolly Moss, Better Booch, Pockets Chocolates, Blue Bottle, delOrigen, Hiyo, Prime Hydration, BodyArmor, Omni Foods, Sobo Foods, Ocean's Halo, Sozo, Mizo