Middle Market Growth Conversations
Middle Market Growth Magazine
The Middle Market Growth Conversations podcast features in-depth interviews with industry experts and middle-market dealmakers about trends impacting midsize companies and M&A. This podcast is a production of the Association for Corporate Growth. To learn more about ACG, visit acg.org. To hear more interviews with experts and thought leaders, subscribe on Soundcloud, Apple Podcasts, Spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts.
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Dec 7, 2021 • 17min
Family Office Series Pt. 1: Choose Your Structure Wisely
This episode is brought to you by RSM US, a leading audit, tax and advisory firm. RSM develops multi-generational relationships with family offices by providing tailored advisory services to help sustain the family’s vision in an evolving, digitally driven world. It's part of a five-part series highlighting issues relevant to family offices.
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Christina Churchill, principal and family office consulting leader for RSM, joins the podcast to talk about the structuring options available to family offices, and what to consider when choosing a location.
In the interview, Churchill outlines the pros and cons of establishing a single, multi- or virtual family office, along with key questions to ask when deciding on a structure. She also talks about outsourcing and how to determine which functions belong in-house.
The conversation closes with a discussion about the trend toward global expansion among family offices, and technology's role in supporting operations. Churchill offers a list of questions family offices can use to identify the technological tools that fit their needs, and she explains the benefits of using an integrated platform like RSM's FamilySight—a topic that will be explored further in a later episode of the five-part series.
To learn more about RSM, visit rsmus.com/familyoffice.
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The Middle Market Growth Conversations podcast is produced by the Association for Corporate Growth. To learn more about the organization and how to become a member, visit www.acg.org.

Nov 16, 2021 • 12min
Lending Perspective: Year in Review & 2022 Middle Market Outlook
This episode is brought to you by Twin Brook Capital Partners, a direct lending finance company focused on providing cash-flow based financing solutions for the middle market private equity community.
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Pete Notter, a partner at Twin Brook Capital Partners, joins the podcast to discuss middle market deal activity in 2021 and how businesses and industries have fared throughout the year.
In the interview, Notter describes the state of the market today and shares his perspective on how elevated levels of M&A activity are affecting deal processes and timelines.
He also points to observed trends in private equity sponsor behavior. Notably, as investment bank auction processes have become more exclusive, sponsors are getting more engaged earlier on and financing partners are often being brought in at a later stage than they have in the past. Notter talks about how Twin Brook has been able to accommodate those tighter timelines and the role that strong pre-existing relationships with clients play in today's active deal environment.
The episode closes with a discussion about Notter's outlook for the middle market and M&A activity in the year ahead.
To learn more about Twin Brook, visit www.twincp.com.
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The Middle Market Growth Conversations podcast is produced by the Association for Corporate Growth. To learn more about the organization and how to become a member, visit www.acg.org.

Nov 9, 2021 • 21min
M&A Tax: A Value Creation Lever in the PE Playbook
This episode is brought to you by RSM US LLP, a leading audit, tax and advisory firm focused on the middle market.
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George Douvris, a partner in RSM’s M&A tax practice and the leader of the firm’s business acquisition and sale advice practice, joins the podcast to talk about the role that M&A tax plays in creating value in a private equity deal and why it’s a growing area of focus for investors.
In the interview, Douvris explains what private equity firms should consider when structuring a deal, and the tax attributes that they tend to focus on. He breaks down tax considerations for buyers as well as for sellers, and he shares best practices for when tax issues should be addressed during a transaction—including real-life success stories of how he helped clients deliver more value to their LPs.
Douvris also discusses proposed federal tax changes and the impact that new legislation could have on M&A tax.
To learn more about RSM, visit rsmus.com.
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The Middle Market Growth Conversations podcast is produced by the Association for Corporate Growth. To learn more about the organization and how to become a member, visit www.acg.org.

Oct 19, 2021 • 18min
The Importance of Information & Infrastructure
This episode is brought to you by Twin Brook Capital Partners, a direct lending finance company focused on providing cash-flow based financing solutions for the middle market private equity community.
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Drew Guyette, chief credit officer and senior partner at Twin Brook Capital Partners, joins the podcast to discuss how a high-touch approach to underwriting and portfolio management supports a lender’s ability to serve sponsors and borrowers, and why team infrastructure and human capital is an integral part of that.
In the interview, Guyette describes the segmentation within the middle market and how relationship management and lines of communication differ across those segments. He also addresses the critical role of data, examining how a robust control set of deals and archive of information can position a lender to move more quickly and effectively in support of sponsors and borrowers.
The episode closes with a discussion about lender differentiation and what private equity firms and their portfolio companies are focused on when it comes to lender selection.
To learn more about Twin Brook, visit www.twincp.com.
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The Middle Market Growth Conversations podcast is produced by the Association for Corporate Growth. To learn more about the organization and how to become a member, visit www.acg.org.

Jul 13, 2021 • 18min
How PE Firms Can Make the Most of Their Tax Data
This episode is brought to you by RSM US LLP, a leading accounting, tax and advisory firm dedicated to the middle market.
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Lauren Demas, a principal with RSM who works on the firm's tax compliance technology tool, PartnerSight, joins the podcast to talk about what private equity firms should be doing with their tax data.
Demas previously worked at a top-five asset management firm, where she managed all of its U.S. tax compliance filings, and she has seen firsthand how tax data is employed throughout the lifecycle of the deal.
In the interview, she offers her perspective as both a client and a provider to explain why tax data is something that firms are looking at closely, the benefits of managing tax data more effectively, and the types of resources required to improve data management across the organization.
To learn more about RSM, visit rsmus.com.
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The Middle Market Growth Conversations podcast is produced by the Association for Corporate Growth. To learn more about the organization and how to become a member, visit www.acg.org.

Jun 29, 2021 • 25min
Churchill's Randy Schwimmer: Why the 2020s Are the "Decade of Private Debt"
Randy Schwimmer, co-head of senior lending at Churchill Asset Management and the founder and publisher of the Lead Left, joins the podcast to talk about the state of private credit today, including how inflation, rising interest rates and increased M&A activity could impact the asset class.
Schwimmer also discusses Churchill's portfolio and how it was positioned heading into the COVID-19 crisis, and he shares what he believes to be the greatest opportunities and challenges facing the middle market today.
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The Middle Market Growth Conversations podcast is produced by the Association for Corporate Growth. To learn more about the organization and how to become a member, visit www.acg.org.

May 11, 2021 • 22min
The State of Direct Lending in the Middle Market
This episode is brought to you by Twin Brook Capital Partners, a direct lending finance company focused on providing cash-flow based financing solutions for the middle market private equity community.
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Garrett Ryan, partner and head of capital markets at Twin Brook Capital Partners, joins the podcast to discuss how deal activity has evolved since last March and the current state of middle market M&A.
In the interview, Ryan talks about the types of transactions that are moving forward in today's environment, including leveraged buyouts, add-on acquisitions and change of control situations. He also discusses lending terms, the broadly syndicated market's impact on the upper middle market, and the relationship-based nature of the lower middle market, where Twin Brook focuses.
The episode closes with a discussion about expectations for deal activity through the rest of 2021 and industries that are poised for an uptick in M&A.
To learn more about Twin Brook, visit www.twincp.com.
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The Middle Market Growth Conversations podcast is produced by the Association for Corporate Growth. To learn more about the organization and how to become a member, visit www.acg.org.

Apr 28, 2021 • 21min
The Beauty of Being a BDC
David Magdol, president and chief investment officer of Main Street Capital, a business development company, joins the podcast to talk about deal activity over the past year, how the public markets treated Main Street Capital's stock, and the flexibility that comes with investing as a BDC.
Main Street Capital has a long history of investing in the lower middle market, and Magdol describes why this continues to be an attractive segment for the firm. He also talks about how Main Street approaches conversations with family-owned businesses as they consider selling, and the firm's philosophy for structuring deals.
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The Middle Market Growth Conversations podcast is produced by the Association for Corporate Growth. To learn more about the organization and how to become a member, visit www.acg.org.

Apr 15, 2021 • 29min
Sun Capital's Patient-Centered Approach to Health Care Investing
Sun Capital Partners' Managing Director Dan Florian and Principal Stephen Cella join the podcast to talk about their firm's approach to health care investing.
Florian and Cella speak in depth about the firm's strategy for investing in health care, one of Sun Capital's target sectors. The two discuss the patient-focused mindset they look for in the businesses that Sun Capital backs, and how the firm helps its companies adopt consumer best practices.
They describe working with the management team at ClearChoice, a dental implant provider that Sun Capital has since sold, to improve call center operations and scheduling, which ultimately led to better appointment utilization and greater efficiency. Florian and Cella also discuss how they measure the effectiveness of initiatives designed to improve the patient experience at Sun Capital's health care businesses.
Sun Capital was highlighted in a recent Middle Market Growth cover story about the trend of health care consumerization, "Health Care's Retail Revolution." Read it here: https://middlemarketgrowth.org/health-cares-retail-revolution/
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The Middle Market Growth Conversations podcast is produced by the Association for Corporate Growth. To learn more about the organization and how to become a member, visit www.acg.org.

Apr 6, 2021 • 40min
Seeking Diversity? Think Outside the Box
Organizations are waking up to the call for greater diversity, equity and inclusion (DEI), and middle-market companies and financial services firms are no exception.
In this episode, Cornelia Cheng, managing director of Western region investments for Brightwood Capital Advisors, and Rich Grant, director of business development for Northlane Capital Partners, discuss the importance of DEI and how firms can become more diverse and inclusive.
Cheng and Grant are both members of ACG's DEI Task Force. They talk about the role of that group in driving change, and their own experiences benefiting from and contributing to DEI initiatives. They also share ways that businesses and individuals can contribute to diversity and inclusion, from rethinking hiring practices and what they look for in candidates, to investing in minority-owned businesses.
ACG's DEI policy and resources, developed by the DEI Task Force, are available online here: https://www.acg.org/about/dei-policy-resources
This episode is brought to you by ACG JobSource, a job board and career resource for the middle market. Find your next role or post an open position here: https://www.acg.org/membership-tools/acg-jobsource
The Middle Market Growth Conversations podcast is produced by the Association for Corporate Growth. To learn more about the organization and how to become a member, visit www.acg.org.


