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Middle Market Growth Magazine
The Middle Market Growth Conversations podcast features in-depth interviews with industry experts and middle-market dealmakers about trends impacting midsize companies and M&A. This podcast is a production of the Association for Corporate Growth. To learn more about ACG, visit acg.org. To hear more interviews with experts and thought leaders, subscribe on Soundcloud, Apple Podcasts, Spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts.
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Sep 11, 2019 • 20min
Mobility Could Create 100,000 Jobs in the Next Decade. Will the Workforce Be Ready?
Jessica Robinson, co-founder of the Detroit Mobility Lab and president and executive director of the Michigan Mobility Institute, sat down with MMG on the sidelines of last week's Great Lakes ACG Capital Connection in Detroit to talk about training the engineering workforce of the future.
In Robinson's definition, mobility encompasses the transportation of not only people and goods, but also livestock, food, and even data and information. It also increasingly includes an emphasis on social and environmental considerations. She discussed her organization's focus on creating a talent pipeline for mobility careers, which require expertise in areas including software development, cybersecurity and data science. The skills gap is already causing a hiring bottleneck and threatens to limit the growth of mobility businesses in Michigan and beyond.
At the end of the conversation, Robinson weighed in on autonomous vehicles and when we'll see them on the roads.
To read more about trends in the middle market, visit our website, middlemarketgrowth.org.

Aug 27, 2019 • 32min
What Do Physician Practice Owners Think of Private Equity?
Tom Turmell, founder and managing director of TMT Capital Partners, spoke with Middle Market Growth about how health care entrepreneurs are looking to grow their businesses, and the common questions he hears about private equity, which continues to show strong interest in acquiring physician practices.
In addition to his role at TMT, Turmell delivers and teaches a class to physician entrepreneurs at Northwestern University's Kellogg School of Management, where he serves as director on the executive education team and as an academic director. During the interview with MMG, he described what his Physician CEO class covers, and the questions he's heard from his students about selling to a private equity buyer.
Common concerns include loss of control, both in terms of the patient experience and in making key business decisions, as well as questions over future compensation for the doctors selling the practice and junior physicians alike.
Some physicians recall a spate of failed physician practice investments by PE firms over a decade ago, but Turmell says the private equity industry has learned from those past mistakes. Choosing the right investment partner remains critical, and he suggests considerations for physicians to keep in mind as they evaluate potential investors.
During the conversation, Turmell referenced an article published in MMG in May focused on physician practice M&A: https://middlemarketgrowth.org/the-round-private-capital-stitches-up-physician-practice-space/
That article was featured in a health care-themed edition of the magazine. The full issue is available here: https://middlemarketgrowth.org/read-the-may-june-2019-issue/
To read more about trends in the middle market, visit our website, middlemarketgrowth.org.

Aug 15, 2019 • 20min
Corporate Leaders Talk M&A, Disruption and Talent Strategies
On the sidelines of ACG Denver's Rocky Mountain Corporate Growth conference, Middle Market Growth sat down with two corporate leaders from Colorado: Karla Nugent, founder and chief business development officer for Weifield Group, an electrical contractor; and Stuart Smith, CEO of Buehler Companies, a moving, logistics and storage company.
In this episode, Nugent and Smith discuss how their companies have grown since they were founded, the role of M&A and private capital, and dealing with disruption in their respective industries.
They also describe strategies they've used within their organizations to build a strong culture, and how they've addressed talent shortages. Nugent spoke about the career paths available in construction, an industry that has changed amid technological advancement; meanwhile, Smith discussed the impact of marijuana legalization in Colorado and how Buehler has adapted its own drug-testing policies.
Nugent and Smith were panelists during the Corporate Development Summit held at the start of the Rocky Mountain Corporate Growth conference in April. To build on the momentum of ACG Denver and other chapters with corporate development initiatives, ACG Global will host its inaugural Strategic Acquirer Summit in Dallas on Nov. 4-5. More information about the event, including eligibility criteria and registration details, is available at acg.events/sas2019.

Jul 30, 2019 • 22min
The Honest Company's Co-Founder on the Business of Wellness
Christopher Gavigan is co-founder and chief purpose officer for The Honest Company, the baby, home and beauty products company he started in 2012 with actress Jessica Alba.
On the podcast, Gavigan discussed his experience running a wellness brand, including building trust with customers, recovering from product recalls and reputation challenges, and competing at a time when consumer goods giants are pivoting toward healthy and safe ingredients.
Gavigan also talked about his latest venture, Prima, a wellness brand focused on the benefits of CBD and hemp, and what his role at The Honest Company looks like today.
To listen to past podcast episodes and read about the latest trends in the middle market and M&A, visit middlemarketgrowth.org.

Jul 16, 2019 • 21min
Winning in the Age of Micro Beauty
Martin Okner, president and chief operating officer of dpHUE, sat down with MMG during the Association for Corporate Growth's InterGrowth conference to talk about the evolution of the beauty industry and how dpHUE's robust digital strategy is helping the company compete in today's market.
Okner, who will step into the role of ACG Global board chairman in September, described dpHUE's business model and products, which help customers who color their hair maintain and boost color between salon visits. Okner also shared some of the innovative ways the company is leveraging technology, including an app for salon professionals to order products for their clients while earning a commission, and dpHUE House, a content studio in Los Angeles frequented by celebrities and other influencers.
Read more about the "Age of Micro Beauty" in Okner's 2017 article, referenced on the podcast: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/age-micro-beauty-martin-okner/
To read more about trends in the middle market, visit our website, middlemarketgrowth.org.

Jul 2, 2019 • 15min
Building a Network Around Corporate Development
The Association for Corporate Growth's membership includes roughly as many corporate members as private equity, and a number of them are involved in the function of corporate development. As part of its efforts to help corporate development officers build their networks and share best practices, ACG will host its inaugural Strategic Acquirer Summit on Nov. 4-5, 2019 in Dallas.
On this episode of the podcast, ACG Global board members Brent Baxter, a managing director with Nolan and Associates, and Aaron Polack, head of business development at Lion Equity Partners, discussed the role of corporate members within ACG, corporate programming at the local ACG chapter level, and what attendees can expect from the upcoming summit.
To learn more about the Strategic Acquirer Summit and the criteria to attend, visit acg.org/events/strategic-acquirer-summit.

Jun 25, 2019 • 20min
Middle-Market Execs Felt Confident in Q2. Will They Remain Optimistic?
Kevin Depew, RSM's deputy chief economist and industry eminence program leader, spoke with MMG about the economic outlook for middle-market businesses and how they're responding to tariffs, technological change and a tight labor market.
During an interview on June 19, Depew discussed recent developments in the United States' trade dispute with China, the industries that will be most affected, and how middle-market companies are adapting.
RSM recently published its latest US Middle Market Business Index, and Depew discussed some of the key findings, including the positive outlook of executives in Q2. In the index, RSM noted a concern that the middle market is not in a position to make investments for the future, such as training for the modern workforce. Among the obstacles is the overwhelming number of options of new technology offerings and vendors, which many middle-market companies lack the resources to evaluate.
To read the latest RSM US Middle Market Business Index, visit https://rsmus.com/economics/rsm-middle-market-business-index-mmbi.html
To read more about trends in middle-market private equity investment, visit our website, middlemarketgrowth.org.

Jun 18, 2019 • 16min
Aberdeen Standard Investments' Senior Investment Director Has Some Advice for GPs
Whit Matthews, senior investment director at Aberdeen Standard Investments, sat down with MMG on the sidelines of the Association for Corporate Growth's InterGrowth conference to talk about what his firm looks for when selecting GPs to work with and some of the common missteps he sees private equity firms make during succession planning.
During the conversation, he also described his firm's relationship with independent sponsors, and he commented on some of the broader fundraising and investing trends he's watching.
To read more about trends in middle-market private equity investment, visit our website, middlemarketgrowth.org.

Jun 4, 2019 • 13min
PitchBook's Research Director on Emerging Areas for PE Investment
PitchBook's director of research and analysis, Nizar Tarhuni, spoke with MMG on the sidelines of the Association for Corporate Growth's InterGrowth conference about emerging areas for private equity investment.
Although opportunity zones have garnered attention for their tax benefits and economic development goals, Tarhuni doesn't expect to see widespread middle-market PE investment through that program, and he explained why. Technology, on the other hand, is becoming increasingly popular among PE investors. He described the subsets of tech that are attracting interest now and where he predicts we'll see more activity in the future.
To read more about trends in middle-market private equity investment, visit our website, middlemarketgrowth.org.

May 21, 2019 • 19min
SoulCycle Co-Founder Elizabeth Cutler's Entrepreneurial Insights
Today, SoulCycle is a well-known fitness brand with indoor cycling studios across the country. But back in 2006, the first SoulCycle opened in a former dance studio off of a rear lobby in New York City, a location that the company's co-founders, Elizabeth Cutler and Julie Rice, found on Craigslist.
On this episode of Middle Market Growth Conversations, Cutler describes how she and Rice built SoulCycle into a successful business, why she recommends the co-CEO management model, what it felt like to sell SoulCycle to fitness company Equinox in 2015, and the advice she'd give to other entrepreneurs considering an exit.
After this podcast interview, Cutler spoke onstage during a fireside chat at ACG's annual InterGrowth conference, the preeminent gathering for middle-market M&A professionals. Next year's event will be held in Las Vegas on April 20-22. Learn more at intergrowth.org.