Rev. Benjamin Cremer, a theologian with profound insights into biblical interpretation, joins to tackle the top five misused Bible verses, shedding light on misconceptions surrounding King David and Trump. They explore the dangers of prioritizing royal narratives over prophetic voices and the implications for justice and compassion. The conversation highlights the misapplication of Romans 13, critiques capitalistic interpretations of scripture, and calls for a return to compassion in Christian teachings. Expect a thought-provoking discussion that challenges prevailing norms!

Well this turned into a WHOLE THING! I don’t know quite how to capture the way that Jarrod McKenna sharing from his own experience preaching in Perth, Australia (13 hours ahead of Greencastle, Indiana) and my experience in rural Indiana turned into a stunningly coherent vision—with Jarrod doing a revolutionary riff on three trees of Scripture, and my rediscovery of the story of the widow’s offering in Mark’s gospel as a source of liberation. But boy, you’ve gotta hear it. We desperately need clarity right now in this deeply Christian work of resistance, but we aren’t going to have it so long as we still have planks in our eyes—and Jarrod beautifully helps us see where the planks are, inviting us into a place where God can renew our vision (for ourselves & others) in a way that makes transformation possible.

We are committed to trying to bring the wisest guides we know to help you navigate this very particular moment--and Dr. Drew G.I. Hart is one of the clearest, most insightful prophetic voices we know! Such a tender, pastoral soul, who speaks with such clarity and fierce prophetic fire. In this conversation, Jonathan and Dr. Hart discuss the role of black church as a resource for engagement and resistance, the unique intersection of anabaptist and black church tradition that Dr. Hart occupies, and the challenge of disentangling faith from toxic political identities. They critique the notion of Christianity as a kind of centrism, over against the radical alternative that is Jesus/the way of Jesus--which must be lived out as public prophetic witness. They also discuss the ways that realistically a kind of prosperity theology is baked into the very bones of America. It's a clear critique, but also ultimately a hopeful, constructive, energizing conversation--without calling us to simply bury our collective heads in the sand.

In this post-election breakdown, Jonathan and Jarrod discuss the highlights the need for prophetic voices, particularly from the Black church, in advocating for social change and justice. They address the challenges of navigating spirituality and activism, the significance of community support, and the necessity of both prayer and action in the face of adversity. Then Jonathan explores the narrative of the Hebrew prophet Elisha from 2 Kings 6 as a framework to explore themes of fear and divine perspective on this current political moment. He emphasizes the importance of seeing beyond immediate circumstances, recognizing the divine presence in our lives, and understanding that our freedom is interconnected with the freedom of others. The story of Elisha illumines for us the call not to stand in the ambivalent middle, but the vulnerable in-between, revealing the power of self-giving, self-sacrificial love--the kind of love that can liberate both the oppressed and the oppressors.

This is another emergency election edition of the Zeitcast--because I cannot sit on this conversation for five seconds knowing how central immigration is to the choices Americans are making this week--and how central immigration will continue to be long after this week is over. Zeke Hernandez' book The Truth about Immigration is a REVELATION. I wish I could buy one for every single one of you, I wish it were required reading for every person in public life who is providing any commentary around immigration at all. We have all heard rhetoric about immigrants either as victims in need of our saving or of villains that we are in need of saving from. What if the truth is "that immigrants are net positives contributors to everything that makes a society successful?" The truth is that most of us have vague assumptions based on anecdotal stories we've heard or read about immigrants. But data/facts are not partisan, and this should not ultimately be a partisan issue. What if the story the facts actually tell are that we are actually SAFER with more immigration than with less? It is true that we have a deeply broken immigration system in the U.S., and spoiler alert--neither party on the whole is addressing the foundational issues that underwrite the problem. But how much closer could we get to the truth about such things, if we had the resources to sort fact from fiction? Perhaps the most buried truth of them all, is that even with real problems around illegal immigration, whether immigrants are legal or illegal they STILL contribute overwhelmingly positively to the U.S. economy, categorically. Professor Hernandez helps us reckon with the empirical data surrounding immigration, reframing immigration as a matter of self-interest, rather than around either fear or charity. This is a deeply important conversation for every citizen, but especially for people of faith. We wrangle honestly with the tough questions, en route to the truth that on some level we are always circling around--that all hope is local, and the way we can make a difference here ultimately will be made in real life in our real communities with real neighbors. But in order to love our neighbors, surely we must first stop believing lies about them, and bearing false witness against them? I humbly ask that you share this one broadly, and shout it from the housetops if you can.

This conversation is pure exhilaration! Dr. Andrew Newberg is a neuroscientist, the pioneer of "neurotheology," and one of the world’s leading researchers exploring the relationship between neuroscience and spirituality. His research includes taking brain scans of people in prayer, meditation, rituals, and trance states, in an attempt to better understand the nature of religious and spiritual experiences. His books include the recent Sex, God and the Brain, How God Changes the Brain, and Neurotheology: How Science can Enlighten Us About Spirituality. In this engaging conversation, Dr. Newberg discusses the intricate relationship between brain function, spirituality, and sexuality. He explores how various mental states, including religious experiences and sexual intimacy, activate different areas of the brain. The dialogue delves into Newberg's journey from neuroscience to neurotheology, and the role of rituals and myths in shaping beliefs--emphasizing the need for an integrated approach to understanding spirituality and its impact on human experience. Along the way, Dr. Newberg and Jonathan Martin explore the connection between sex and speaking in tongues (!), how liturgical practices may be similar to experiences of ecstatic prayer, the vulnerability that can lead us into transformation (and danger), and the evolutionary roots of social hierarchies. The conversation also explores the impact of belief systems on political polarization, and the role of algorithms in shaping our perspectives. Finally, they reflect on the neurological effects of various spiritual practices, and the importance of finding personal paths to connection and understanding. A revolutionary conversation with one of our great minds--who also turns out to be super warm, engaging, open and curious--we think this is one of our most exciting Zeitcasts yet, and hope it will be as revelatory and wonder-inducing for you, as it has been for us!

During this time that I know is very high stakes and thus can be high anxiety for some of us, I specifically wanted to post a couple of resources that would be good for your SOUL--for those moments when you need a bit of shelter from the storm. The conversation I just had with Carlos Rodriguez is monumental, and I hope you will watch/listen to that one if you have not already...but he also preached SUCH a clarifying word for our friends at Simplicity Church (highly recommended if you are ever near Edmond, OK), that I know I needed to hear. Hence the title, "clarity, not certainty." What a mantra for the moment we are in! I especially love it because Carlos speaks not only with great passion, but great humility, taking us on a vulnerable journey with him, rather than calling us up to join him on some kind of mountaintop. He shares his own personal road to identity, family, and belonging, reflecting on his experiences of therapy, and sharing the transformative journey of founding The Happy Givers NGO. It is a brave and beautiful call for action, repentance, and a commitment to serving others, particularly in the context of systemic issues faced by marginalized communities. What a tremendous human and friend--I hope this sermon speaks to your soul as much as it did mine. Warmly, Jonathan

During this high intensity, and for many of us, high anxiety moment, I felt like I specifically needed to post some resources this week that might provide a sense of soul, solace and refuge in the midst of all the chaos. To love the world is to engage it for the sake of social change; but you also need to stop for gas--you know? So this one is an actual bona fide sermon to our wonderful friends at Simplicity Church in Emond, OK; a little break in the format from what we've been doing. It's a sermon from the beautiful and sometimes baffling ancient wisdom book known as Job, one of those universal meta stories that seems to run beneath all the rest of our stories. It's a wild ride--for Job, as it's a wild ride for us to be in these bodies, in this world, in this time and space, being human and being alive/being awake. Here you will find some tongue in cheek mischief-making dunking on the Book of Proverbs (hey it's great; and I believe it's mysteriously inspired by the Spirit and all the things...and also hot take decisively NOT the "wisest book in the Bible," get out of here with that, LOL! It's a broad critique of how perhaps most of our theology in America is in fact prosperity theology (whether or not you are in or outside of the church). It's a tribute to the late great Gustavo Guterriez. It's a challenge to move beyond the confines of reward/punishment and merit/demerit, to run free into the wide open fields (which also happen to be WILD open fields). As I heard some Irish guy say it one time, "blessings not just for the ones who kneel, luckily." Sincerely, Jonathan

r. Andrew Whitehead (author of American Idolatry: How Christian Nationalism Betrays the Gospel & Threatens the Church and Taking America Back for God) is America's leading expert on Christian nationalism--so we couldn't think of a better guest to help us put the wildness of this election in a broader context! Andrew and Jonathan explore the complex intersections of Christian nationalism, race, and politics in the current American landscape, the threats posed by authoritarianism, and the potential for changing minds through empathy and storytelling. They also discuss how Christian nationalism predisposes individuals to support dictatorial leaders. This is an absolutely critical conversation to help keep us sane in the days ahead!

You've heard a lot about Puerto Rico lately--what a time to talk our friend Carlos Rodriguez (founder of the Happy Givers NGO and Author of Drop the Stones), on his final ministry trip to America! The gloves are off, the inhibitions are down, and the fire is falling. In this barnburner of a conversation, Carlos and Jonathan explore their parallel journeys within the Pentecostal/charismatic church, to whatever it is they are doing now--how they have grown and shifted theologically, and what it means to go from being the young upstarts, to the generational shift of becoming "elders" themselves. This is our deepest dive conversation yet into the horrors unfolding in Gaza (from Carlos' unique perspective as a Puerto Rican living in a colony), as they talk about how to support Palestinian Christians/Palestinians in general--while taking seriously the fact that both Jewish and Palestinian people exist on the margins in America. Carlos and Jonathan talk about the narrative of who is most oppressed shifts as the world evolves and changes, and how Christians must shift accordingly. Provocatively in this election season, they talk about how America's choice for President effects some of our friends domestically in profound ways...while the policy options the candidates represent may not appear all that different to some of our friends internationally. This conversation is wide open, unfiltered, and most of all, an undomesticated invitation to follow the Spirit out of a world driven by profit, into community and human connection!