

Product&Growth Show
Product&Growth Show
In this podcast Pavlo Pedenko and Yaroslav Stepanenko talk to people in tech.
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May 19, 2025 • 52min
97 – From Babbel to MyTutor: Building Edtech That Works, with Geoff Stead (Former CPO, Babbel & MyTutor)
In Episode 97 of The Product and Growth Show, I spoke with Geoff Stead, former CPO at Babbel and MyTutor. We discussed consumer apps, the impact of GenAI, and what it takes to find a new role as a CPO. Tune in!
What did we talk about?
- Balancing product promises and growth in a consumer app
- Building a product organization in a marketing-led consumer business
- Most exciting product challenges at Babbel and MyTutor
- Engagement ladders for consumer apps
- Advice for CPOs looking for a new role
Geoff on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/geoffstead/

Feb 23, 2025 • 53min
96 - From Google to Mate Academy, VC-Backed Expansion for EdTechs with Roman Apostol
Last week, we sat down with Roman Apostol, co-founder of Mate Academy, to talk about business expansion, transitioning from a big corporation to a startup, and staying resilient.
Here’s what we covered:
- How did you transition from working at Google and Preply to joining Mate Academy?
- What is the Income Share Agreement (ISA) model, and how does it work at Mate Academy?
- Why did you decide to leave Google and move to Kyiv to work on Mate Academy?
- How did you scale Mate Academy from a small offline bootcamp to a global online platform?
- What were the biggest challenges in raising venture capital, and what objections did investors have?
- How do you balance operational scalability with maintaining quality in EdTech?
- What was the strategy behind expanding into new markets like Poland and Brazil?
- How do you differentiate Mate Academy from other coding bootcamps and online education platforms?
- What impact has the war in Ukraine had on running a business, and how do you maintain resilience?
- What books, podcasts, or insights have influenced your approach to leadership and scaling a startup?

Feb 11, 2025 • 47min
95 - From Product to Portfolio: Operator's Guide in Navigating Equity & Angel Investing with Mike Oliinyk, Montonio
Last weekend, we sat down with Mike to discuss his impressive product career (ex-Uber, Wise, Wolt) and talk about his experience in angel investing in early-stage startups.
Here's what we discussed:
- How Mike has chosen companies in his product career
- Picking a first product role today
- Job-hopping and when to leave a role quickly
- Did Mike expect Wise and Volt to grow so big?
- Wolt’s acquisition by DoorDash and post-merger changes
- Negotiating equity vs. salary in startup roles
- Growing a product career in a slowing market
- Why more operators become angel investors
- Mike’s worst investment and key lessons
- How Mike evaluates startups before investing
Follow Mike on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mikeproduct/

Jan 27, 2025 • 39min
94 - from ops led to product led, a non-traditional YC process, visualisation with Siddhi Mittal, co-founder at yhangry
Last week I had a chance to chat to Siddhi Mittal, a co-founder at yhangry (YC W22).
Here is what we discussed:
- Transitioning from a high six-figure trading job to entrepreneurship
- A non-traditional YC process
- Transitioning from an ops-led to a product-led organization
- Startup stagnation as a near-death experience
- Why generic advice never works
- Running fundraising as a discovery process
- Why the B2B2C angle is important for raising funds as a marketplace business
- How AI changes marketplace businesses
- The power of visualization for founders
Siddhi on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/siddhimittal23/

Dec 23, 2024 • 45min
93 - What Makes Companies Grow and The Rise of Micro-Influencing With Ruslan Nazarenko, ScaleAI
- What makes companies grow?
- The importance of a common language in growth cultures
- A deep dive into Uber’s leaked documents
- How does the growth role differ from company to company?
- How to build a growth culture?
- All things being equal, why does one company grow faster than another?
- Can we state that companies with a strong culture actually grow faster?
- Differences between European and U.S. growth cultures
- What kind of impact do companies like Scale leave on individuals?
- How to get hired as a growth manager
- Practical tips and tricks for getting noticed by hiring managers
- The rise of micro-influencing in tech
Links:
Pavlo on Substack: https://pavlopedenko.substack.com/
Ross on Substack: https://rossongrowth.substack.com/

Dec 14, 2024 • 54min
92 - Diaspora Founders, Benefits of FAANG Experience, and Pattern Matching in VC with Borys Musielak, SMOK VC
A few weeks ago, I had the pleasure of meeting with SMOK's Borys Musielak. We discussed early-stage funding, the unique strengths of CEE diaspora founders, and how FAANG experience can be both an advantage and a challenge for entrepreneurs. Tune in to learn more!
What did we cover?
- What does SMOK VC do?
- Why focus on CEE diaspora founders?
- What’s the difference between CEE founders and U.S. founders?
- Why doesn’t FAANG always produce good startup material?
- How much of SMOK’s deal flow comes from LinkedIn?
- What’s the most ridiculous pitch Borys has heard?
- Why is pattern matching important in VC?
- How can someone get into VC?
- Does founder-led growth actually exist?
- What was the biggest opportunity Borys missed?
- What is SMOK VC’s request for startups?
- What advice does Borys have for all early-stage founders?

Dec 2, 2024 • 40min
91 - How to Become an AI PM, Moats in AI with Guillaume Boniface-Chang (ex-Synthesia, ex-Google)
In this discussion, Guillaume Boniface-Chang, ex-Head of Product at Synthesia and Product Manager at Google Search, delves into the intricacies of AI product management. He highlights the distinct role of AI PMs and the importance of understanding customer needs amidst rapid changes in the tech landscape. Guillaume explains how differentiating products in a competitive market is crucial, and shares insights on developing a personal thesis for career growth. He also discusses navigating the AI hype while building foundational skills for aspiring AI PMs.

Nov 23, 2024 • 56min
90 - Thinking visually, building marketplaces, and turning spreadsheets into products with Jonathan Hey, former CPO of ZenEducate
Last week I had a chance to chat with Jonathan Hey, former CPO at ZenEducate.
What we discussed:
- Is writing books more exciting than building products?
- Where does Jono’s love for sketching come from?
- How can PMs learn sketching to communicate their ideas more efficiently?
- The power of explaining ideas visually
- ZenEducate and the problem they are trying to solve
- Why building empathy matters, regardless of your domain
- How has ZenEducate’s product organization evolved?
- How do you build a product strategy for a growing startup?
- How do you balance what your investors want with what your customers want?
- How will AI disrupt edtech?
- Pasha is bragging about his experience trying to use AI avatars.
- The hardest problem Jono has had to solve at ZenEducate
- Why building what a spreadsheet does is not a trivial task
Jonathan on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonohey/
Jonathan's book: https://sketchplanations.com/

Nov 3, 2024 • 43min
89 - How to Build an Edtech Unicorn in 2024 with Rhys Spence, Brighteye Ventures
In episode 89, we talked to Rhys Spence, Head of Research at Brighteye Ventures, one of the most active edtech VC firms in Europe and the UK.
Here’s what we discussed:
- Hyperfocusing on a specific market might lead you to unicorn status; going to the U.S. is not the only path to success.
- How did Byju’s downturn impact edtech VCs?
- Why is building a unicorn in K-12 so challenging?
- Why are edtech funds broadening their investment theses?
- What sets VC-backed companies apart?
- Brighteye’s most successful investments
- Edtech companies to watch
- Defining momentum in edtech
- How do VCs determine if your team is capable?
- Why are generalists so hard to evaluate?
- Where is edtech headed from 2024 onward?
- Where edtech meets fintech
- The role of communities in edtech

Oct 27, 2024 • 57min
88 - Building Africa’s Largest Fintech from London with Parminder Mann, VP of Product at Flutterwave
This time, I had the pleasure of chatting with Parminder Mann, VP of Product and Design at Flutterwave, Africa’s largest startup.
Flutterwave is essentially what you’d get if Stripe and Wise combined forces and decided to focus on Africa.
Topics Covered:
- The problem Flutterwave is solving
- Flutterwave’s target countries
- Product playbook used by Flutterwave’s product organization
- A breakdown of Flutterwave’s latest product launch
- Setting up metrics for new fintech features
- The importance of regulatory requirements
- Challenges PMs face in moving into fintech
- Solving for both sides of transactions in fintech
- The role of stablecoins in Africa
- Church WhatsApp groups vs. fintechs
- Prioritization playbook at Flutterwave
- Building for Africa from London
- Embracing the problem you’re solving
- Product career advice from Parminder
Links:
Pavlo Pedenko on Substack: https://pavlopedenko.substack.com/
Parminder Mann on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/parminder-mann-12878013/