
The Design Of Business | The Business of Design
The Design of Business | The Business of Design explores how design shapes, and is shaped by, the world around us. Hosted by Ellen McGirt, the podcast features conversations with visionary leaders from a wide range of industries, from architecture and technology to journalism and retail. Together, they examine creative practices, challenge conventional thinking, and explore how design drives business, innovation, and social change.In Season 12 of DB|BD, host Ellen McGirt explores Designing for the Unknown—how visionary designers, architects, and thinkers navigate uncertainty, from climate adaptation to technological disruption. This season, we’re looking at the bold ideas reshaping our cities, industries, and ways of living in an unpredictable world.
Latest episodes

Jun 22, 2021 • 33min
S9E4: Na Kim
Na Kim is an associate creative director at the book publisher Farrar, Straus and Giroux.

Jun 8, 2021 • 40min
S9E3: Astra Taylor
Astra Taylor is an artist, activist, and founder of the Rolling Jubilee and the Debt Collective. Her latest book is Remake the World: Essays, Reflections, Rebellions.

May 25, 2021 • 38min
S9E2: Melanie Keen
Melanie Keen is the director of Wellcome Collection.

May 11, 2021 • 40min
S9E01: Ellen Mirojnick
Emmy-award winner Ellen Mirojnick has designed film costumes since the 1980s and most recently is the lead costume designer for the Netflix series Bridgerton.

Dec 29, 2020 • 33min
S8E12: Nikil Saval
Nikil Saval is a Pennsylvania state senator and the author of Cubed: A Secret History of the Workplace.

Dec 22, 2020 • 36min
S8E11: Allissa Richardson
Allissa V. Richardson is a journalist and an assistant professor of journalism at the University of Southern California.

Dec 15, 2020 • 31min
S8E10: Rosanne Somerson
Rosanne Somerson is president of the Rhode Island School of Design.

Dec 8, 2020 • 27min
S8E9: Kat Vellos
Kat Vellos is a UX designer, facilitator, and connection coach.

Dec 1, 2020 • 24min
S8E8: Nina Cooke John
Nina Cooke John is founder and principal of Studio Cooke John, and also teaches at Parsons School of Design.

Nov 24, 2020 • 31min
S8E7: Maurice Woods
Maurice Woods is a principal designer at Microsoft and the founder and executive director of Inneract Project.