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Mar 27, 2025 • 1h 15min

SBP 114: Turn Revenue Gaps Into Growth. With Jeremy Miller.

In our latest episode of The Sleeping Barber Podcast, we welcome Jeremy Miller, President of Sticky Branding.Jeremey breaks down revenue gaps and shows how businesses can turn them into opportunities for growth. He introduces the slingshot strategy for rapid acceleration in uncertain times, emphasizing market validation and customer needs.We also discuss the Play to Win framework, the dangers of rebranding without a strong foundation, and why real marketing goes beyond advertising.If you’re looking for actionable insights on branding, strategy, and sustainable growth, this one’s for you!Our GuestPresident of Sticky Branding - Brand Consulting Firm with offices in Toronto, Rochester & Cape Townhttps://www.linkedin.com/in/jeremymiller/≠Author of Sticky Branding https://www.amazon.com/dp/1989025889/ref=tsm_1_fb_lkAnd Brand New Name https://www.amazon.com/dp/1989025609/ref=tsm_1_fb_lk Follow our UpdatesFollow our updates here: ⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/company/sleeping-barber/⁠⁠Get in touch with our hosts:Marc Binkley: ⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcbinkley/Vassilis Douros: ⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/vassilisdouros/⁠Timestamps00:00 - Introduction to Revenue Gaps03:10 - Understanding Revenue Gaps06:10 - The Slingshot Strategy Explained08:51 - Market Validation and Sales Sprints12:03 - Adapting Products and Services14:53 - The Role of Marketing in Revenue Gaps18:02 - Building Capabilities for Growth21:09 - Case Studies: Success Stories24:09 - Challenges in Market Pivoting26:53 - The Importance of Customer Intimacy29:52 - Conclusion and Key Takeaways42:56 - Understanding the 3% Rule in Marketing45:11 - The Importance of Brand Relationships46:24 - Navigating Market Competition and White Space48:39 - The Role of Brand Accelerators49:31 - Rebranding: Risks and Strategies52:47 - Creating Competitive Advantages through Branding56:46 - The Evolution of Brand Strategy01:01 - Post pod with Marc and V
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Mar 20, 2025 • 26min

SBP 113: The Barber's Brief, Ferris Hamilton's Day Off? March 20, 2025

Welcome to another episode of The Barber’s Brief!Join Marc and Vassilis as they dive into the latest marketing and business news, spotlight a standout case study in their Marketing Moment, and wrap up with the Ad of the Week.Enjoy the show!Follow our updates here: ⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/company/sleeping-barber/⁠⁠Get in touch with our hosts:Marc Binkley: ⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcbinkley/Vassilis Douros: ⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/vassilisdouros/⁠Timestamps:00:00 - Introduction01:07 - Pepsi buys Poppi Prebiotic soda for $1.95B03:15 - The Death of Attention Economy11:10 - Appealing to Canadian Pride in Ads is a Delicate Dance13:50 - The Future of Retail Media Networks16:40 - Marketing Moment - IPA on Making Effectiveness Work22:50 - Ad of the week: Lewis Hamilton recreates Ferrari scene from Ferris Bueller’s Day Off 25:03 - Coming up next week.In The News Links:Pepsi buys Poppi Prebiotic soda for $1.95Bhttps://www.cbc.ca/news/business/pepsico-poppi-prebiotic-soda-deal-1.7485690The Death of the Attention Economyhttps://www.linkedin.com/posts/rabbott3_the-biggest-lie-in-marketing-that-brand-activity-7306409193912115200-4NdS/?utm_medium=ios_app&rcm=ACoAAARF80ABNFBSYHcGw43pb1pcTsFzZIHvvIY Tariff’s Impact: Globe & Mail A soup company’s discovery: appealing to Canadian pride in ads is a delicate dance https://apple.news/ATRyWE3a8REeETF05ELGGDgThe Future of Retail Media Networkshttps://www.marketingdive.com/news/the-future-retail-media-networks-heres-what-the-numbers-say/742455/The Marketing Moment:Free Report from IPA on Making Effectiveness Work - October 2024 - https://ipa.co.uk/knowledge/publications-reports/making-effectiveness-workAd of the weekLewis Hamilton recreates Ferrari scene from Ferris Bueller’s Day Offhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ra9J0TES0DA&t=6s In the spot to mark his highly-publicized move from Mercedes to Ferrari, the driver adopts the character of the garage employee who takes Bueller’s Ferrari for a joyride through the streets of Chicago.The spot features Hamilton's favourite Ferrari 250 GT California Spyder car.
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Mar 13, 2025 • 1h 28min

SBP 112: Leading Brands in an AI World. With Paul Dervan.

In this episode of The Sleeping Barber Podcast, we sit down with Paul Dervan, Head of Brand Marketing at Miro and author of Run With Foxes, to explore the evolving world of marketing in the age of AI. Paul shares his insights on evidence-based marketing, learning from failures, and the challenges of navigating marketing metrics effectively.We dive into the shifting landscape of marketing communications, the role of customer insights, and how brands can use micro-segmentation and category entry points to refine their strategies. The conversation also unpacks AI’s transformative impact on creative processes, the future of AI-driven marketing teams, and the growing need for AI literacy in the workplace.Join us as we discuss the intersection of AI, marketing, and storytelling—where technology enhances creativity, but the human touch remains irreplaceable.Our GuestPaul Dervan - Head of Brand Marketing @ MiroAuthor of Run With Foxes: Make Better Marketing Decisions https://www.linkedin.com/in/pauldervan/https://www.amazon.ca/Run-Foxes-Better-Marketing-Decisions/dp/085719772XMiro: The Innovation Workspace https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqaSH1Ibw-gMonster Problem? Solve Anything, Together https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shy3tqvHb4g Follow our updates here: ⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/company/sleeping-barber/⁠⁠Get in touch with our hosts:Marc Binkley: ⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcbinkley/Vassilis Douros: ⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/vassilisdouros/⁠TimestampsChapters00:00 Introduction to the Podcast and Guest02:49 The Importance of Distinctive Assets in Branding05:58 Paul's Journey to Evidence-Based Marketing08:59 Mistakes in Marketing and Learning from Them12:02 Navigating Marketing Metrics and Decision-Making14:52 Leading Brands in an AI World17:59 Miro's Evolution as a Collaboration Tool28:05 Navigating Change in Marketing Communications29:50 Understanding Customer Insights for Effective Marketing31:52 Micro Segmentation vs. Category Entry Points35:02 The Role of Category Entry Points in Marketing Strategy40:25 AI's Impact on Creative Processes50:17 The Future of AI Agents in Marketing01:03:25 The Evolution of Podcasting and AI01:06:45 Democratization of Content Creation01:08:35 Understanding Marketing Metrics and AI01:10:38 AI Literacy and Competitive Advantage01:12:33 Integrating AI into Business Workflows01:15:35 The Role of AI in Creative Processes01:17:04 Category Entry Points in Marketing01:20:22 The Future of Segmentation and Targeting01:23:06 Human Element in Storytelling and AI01:26:51 Closing Thoughts on AI and MarketingBackground Research & Links:https://claude.ai/https://elevenlabs.io/https://www.make.com/en https://relevanceai.com/ https://www.perplexity.ai/https://notebooklm.google/https://www.lipdub.ai/pricing-page https://getimg.ai/ https://openai.com/index/sora/https://runwayml.com/
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Mar 6, 2025 • 27min

SBP 111: The Barber's Brief , Nobody Cares That You Use AI - March 6, 2025

Welcome to another episode of The Barber’s Brief!Join Marc and Vassilis as they dive into the latest marketing and business news, spotlight a standout case study in their Marketing Moment, and wrap up with the Ad of the Week.Enjoy the show!Follow our updates here: ⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/company/sleeping-barber/⁠⁠Get in touch with our hosts:Marc Binkley: ⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcbinkley/Vassilis Douros: ⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/vassilisdouros/⁠Timestamps:00:49 - Brand Recognition Trumps Rankings: New SEO Data Reveals Consumer Trust Patterns04:59 - Clear briefs help marketers confront the chaos of advertising07:08 - Adalytics Goes Public with First Named Client Partnership10:43 - Guess What? Nobody and Everybody Cares About AI15:00 - Marketing Moment - Fragment Forward: Five Key Trends Shaping 202523:12 - Ad of the week: Fiverr - Nobody Cares a 1:20 Musical 25:35 - Coming up next week.In The News Links:Brand Recognition Trumps Rankings: New SEO Data Reveals Consumer Trust PatternsLink: https://searchengineland.com/brands-search-results-survey-452789Clear briefs help marketers confront the chaos of advertisingLink: https://www.marketingweek.com/clear-briefs-confront-chaos/Adalytics Goes Public with First Named Client PartnershipLink: https://adage.com/article/digital-marketing-ad-tech-news/ad-tech-watchdog-adalytics-publicizes-quad-paying-client/2603756 Guess What? Nobody and Everybody Cares About AIhttps://investors.fiverr.com/news-releases/news-release-details/guess-what-nobody-and-everybody-cares-about-aiThe Marketing Moment:Fragment Forward: Five Key Trends Shaping 2025The Contagious IQ Download 2024 / https://www.contagious.com/reports-and-webinars/the-contagious-iq-download-2024Ad Of The Week:Fiver - Nobody Cares - A Musicalhttps://youtu.be/hJYvwmodYIU?si=O2mIDhiUQxoxf8akKey Points:A great example of an entertaining B2B ad with the use of humour.Fiver built this in-house, while also using insights from their report.The campaign emphasizes the importance of human expertise in maintaining high-quality results when integrating AI
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Feb 27, 2025 • 1h 15min

SBP 110: Taking Chaos out of Creativity. With Rethink's Karen Pearce & Morgan Tierney.

In this episode of The Sleeping Barber Podcast, hosts Marc Binkley and Vassilis Douros dive into the art of creativity with Karen Pierce and Morgan Tierney from the award-winning Canadian agency, Rethink.They explore the role of creativity in marketing, Rethink’s distinctive Crafts Framework, and how it fuels their success. The conversation delves into the power of strong partnerships, the nuances of brand storytelling, and real-world applications of their strategies—featuring standout campaigns for WestJet, TELUS, and Heinz.They also tackle the challenges of navigating bureaucracy in the creative process and discuss why curiosity is essential for breakthrough ideas.Don’t miss this insightful episode—enjoy the show!Our Guests:Karen Pearce - GM of Rethink Vancouverhttps://www.linkedin.com/in/karengpearce/Morgan Tierney - Executive Creative Director @ Rethink Vancouverhttps://www.linkedin.com/in/morgan-tierney-19353943/ Follow Our Updates:⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/company/sleeping-barber/⁠⁠Get in touch with our hosts:Marc Binkley: ⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcbinkley/Vassilis Douros: ⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/vassilisdouros/⁠\Timestamps00:00 Introduction to Rethink and the Power of Creativity02:46 The Importance of Creative Impact in Marketing05:58 Understanding the Crafts Framework08:51 Rethink's Success and Agency Values12:01 Building Partnerships for Creative Success14:50 Key Requirements for Effective Advertising17:57 Crafts Framework Explained21:01 Real-World Applications of the Crafts Framework24:02 Case Studies: WestJet and Heinz29:54 Innovative Campaigns and Their Impact38:44 The Power of Distinctive Brand Assets41:47 Emotional Storytelling in Commoditized Markets45:03 Navigating Bureaucracy in Creative Processes49:06 Building Trust and Effective Client Relationships52:55 The Importance of Curiosity in Creativity57:51 PostPod with V & Marc Background Research & Links:Rethink the Business of Creativity https://www.amazon.ca/Rethink-Business-Creativity-Ian-Grais/dp/1773271059Kantar - Top 10 Drivers of Ad Profitability https://www.kantar.com/inspiration/advertising-media/the-advertising-multipliers-that-matter-are-not-what-marketers-thinkOne Way Trips to Canada https://www.rollingstone.com/product-recommendations/lifestyle/best-cheap-flights-to-canada-travel-trends-1235155422/Taylor Swift - Seemingly Ranch https://www.today.com/food/news/taylor-swift-seemingly-ranch-heinz-rcna117724Heinz Ketchup Fraud https://www.contagious.com/iq/article/insight-strategy-ketchup-fraudCoors Light & Shohei Ohtani https://www.thedrum.com/news/2024/10/07/how-coors-light-turned-broken-digital-ad-viral-sports-marketing-moment
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Feb 20, 2025 • 24min

SBP 109: The Barber's Brief, New Head of CeraVe? - February 20, 2025

Welcome to another episode of The Barber’s Brief!Join Marc and Vassilis as they dive into the latest marketing and business news, spotlight a standout case study in their Marketing Moment, and wrap up with the Ad of the Week.Enjoy the show!Follow our updates here: ⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/company/sleeping-barber/⁠⁠Get in touch with our hosts:Marc Binkley: ⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcbinkley/Vassilis Douros: ⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/vassilisdouros/⁠Timestamps:00:49 - Is X winning back advertisers?03:53 - Google Testing 'AI Mode" internally.06:53 - Unlocking the next frontier of personalized marketing.11:43 - Why humour in advertising works.14:54 - Marketing Moment - Choosing the wrong pricing strategy can be costly19:41 - Ad of the week: New Head of CeraVeIn The News Links:Elon Musk's X is winning advertisers new and old — but the comeback has a long way to go https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-x-advertising-spending-data-analysis-mixed-recovery-2025-2Google Search testing ‘AI Mode’https://searchengineland.com/google-search-testing-ai-mode-451672 Unlocking the next frontier of personalized marketing https://www.mckinsey.com/capabilities/growth-marketing-and-sales/our-insights/unlocking-the-next-frontier-of-personalized-marketingHumour in advertising works.https://lnkd.in/diRqTWKaQuick glance: https://www.warc.com/content/feed/Why_humour_in_advertising_works_and_how_brands_can_use_it_more/10268The Marketing Moment:Choosing the Wrong Pricing Strategy Can Be a Costly Mistakehttps://faculty.wharton.upenn.edu/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Hussain-EAP.pdf https://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/podcast/knowledge-at-wharton-podcast/choosing-the-wrong-pricing-strategy-can-be-a-costly-mistake/Ad Of The Week:Anthony Davis is the Head of Ceravehttps://youtu.be/DME907CSSt8https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/cerave-announces-new-head-of-cerave-hair-campaign-featuring-charli-damelio-anthony-davis-and-paige-bueckers-302375432.html CeraVe has launched "Head of CeraVe," a new campaign addressing the fact that while dandruff affects 1 in 5 Americans, only 40% seek treatment.The campaign features social media star Charli D'Amelio, NBA player Anthony Davis, and UCONN basketball player Paige Bueckers, who each shared viral moments highlighting scalp health issues. The campaign includes a Saturday Night Live collaboration featuring a parody metal band called "Naumôre Dandruf." CeraVe is promoting their new Anti-Dandruff Shampoo and Conditioner line, which contains 1% Pyrithione Zinc and their signature ceramide blend. The campaign also includes a sweepstakes offering winners trips to see Broadway shows, Mavericks games, or UCONN games, along with product giveaways.
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Feb 13, 2025 • 1h 8min

SBP 108: Touchdowns & Turnovers: Super Bowl Ads Rated. With Vanessa Chin.

Welcome back to another episode of The Sleeping Barber Podcast!Super Bowl 59 may be over, but the ads are still making waves! Today, we’re joined by Vanessa Chin, SVP at System1, to break down the intricacies of Super Bowl advertising.We analyze four standout ads and explore how they scored across Star, Spike, and Fluency, diving into key topics like:- The effectiveness of creative quality- The power of emotional responses in advertising- The role of pre-testing in shaping winning ad strategiesTune in for an insightful discussion on what makes a Super Bowl ad truly resonate!One last thought. We would also encourage you to head over to watch this episode on YouTube. This way you can watch the System 1 tech in action!https://youtu.be/9QU1ZUDXWtQOur Guest:Vanessa Chin - SVP of Marketing at System 1https://www.linkedin.com/in/vanessamackeychin/System 1 - Creative Effectiveness Platform measures emotion to predict the business impact of adshttps://system1group.com/Follow Our Updates:⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/company/sleeping-barber/⁠⁠Get in touch with our hosts:Marc Binkley: ⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcbinkley/Vassilis Douros: ⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/vassilisdouros/⁠Timestamps:00:00 - Introduction03:01 - Understanding System One's Creative Effectiveness Metrics05:43 - The Importance of Creative Quality in Advertising08:54 - Comparing Super Bowl Ads to Regular Ads11:43 - The Role of Pre-Testing in Advertising14:47 - Navigating Internal Conversations with Pre-Testing Data17:43 - Case Study: Reese's Don't Eat Lava Ad20:13 - Analyzing Emotional Responses in Advertising22:58 - Case Study: Budweiser's First Delivery Ad27:59 - Emotional Resonance in Advertising32:19 - The Power of Music in Ads36:14 - Celebrity Influence in Super Bowl Ads44:15 - The Success of Doritos' Crash the Super Bowl50:18 - Brand Fluency and Recognition Strategies56:45 - Post Pod with V and MarcBackground Research & Links:https://system1group.com/uncategorized/our-metrics-explainedhttps://www.emarketer.com/content/super-bowl-deliver-on-ratings--ads--streaminghttps://www.westwoodone.com/blog/2024/08/12/adelaide-attentiveness-measurement-1000-of-am-fm-radio-ads-require-2635-worth-of-facebook-ads-to-achieve-the-same-level-of-attention-audio-platforms-generate-nearly-the-same-attentiveness-as-tv/https://www.smartmarketing.me/attention-gained-by-different-media.htmlhttps://www.thinkbox.tv/research/thinkbox-research/the-drivers-of-profitabilityhttps://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-much-do-2025-super-bowl-commercials-cost-heres-the-price-tag-on-ads-this-year/https://system1group.com/the-extraordinary-cost-of-dullhttps://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/sbp-091-the-cost-of-dull-ads-with-adam-morgan/id1609811324?i=1000671637754https://ipa.co.uk/news/creative-consistency
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Feb 6, 2025 • 37min

SBP 107: The Barber's Brief, Tariff Edition - February 6, 2025

Welcome to another episode of The Barber’s Brief! Join Marc and Vassilis as they dive into the latest marketing and business news, spotlight a standout case study in their Marketing Moment, and wrap up with the Ad of the Week. This week though, they tackle the topic of the potential trade war that could be looming! Enjoy the show! Follow our updates here: ⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/company/sleeping-barber/⁠⁠ Get in touch with our hosts: Marc Binkley: ⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcbinkley/ Vassilis Douros: ⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/vassilisdouros/⁠ Timestamps: 00:00 - Introduction 01:39 - NBC Tariff Overview? 04:04 - Tariffs and the 4Ps 20:05 - The Marketing Moment: WARCs Multiplier Effect Study 29:22 - Ad of the Week - Kraft Mayonnaise from 1931 34:23 - Coming Up Next Week In The News Links Tariff Overview - NBC News NBC News https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/live-blog/trump-china-canada-mexico-tariffs-live-updates-rcna190144 Which provinces are pulling U.S. alcohol off shelves over Trump’s tariffs? https://globalnews.ca/news/10993794/trump-tariffs-liquor-boards/ China’s Massive Belt and Road Initiative https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/chinas-massive-belt-and-road-initiative 10 things that could cost more under new tariffs https://www.fox9.com/news/trump-tariffs-price-hikes All the generic coronavirus ads are a waste of time and budget https://www.marketingweek.com/generic-covid-ads-waste-time-budget/ The Marketing Moment: WARC Multiplier Effect - Great resource with a few highly relevant case studies https://page.warc.com/the-multiplier-effect-report Ad Of The Week: An ad from Kraft in 1931 Despite a challenging economy, they didn’t highlight the price Instead, Kraft focused on increasing brand recognition: from Gelfand to Kraft Product features & ingredients: a great supply chain that keeps mayonnaise Always Kitchen Fresh! Guaranteed by your trusted grocer Eggs, Select Oil, aged-in-the-wood vinegar, rare spices Service: Home Delivery Recipe ideas to use more: dress lettuce Emphasized nutritional value and quality for an economical price, and used recipe books as a promotional tool.
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Jan 30, 2025 • 1h 21min

SBP 106: Why Cutting Marketing Budgets is a Mistake. With Hilary Borndahl.

In this episode of The Sleeping Barber Podcast, Marc Binkley and Vassilis Douros welcome Hilary Borndahl to discuss the critical role of measurement in marketing, with a focus on marketing mix modelling (MMM) and its impact on ROI. They explore the challenges marketers face in justifying budgets, the importance of understanding ad stock, and the consequences of cutting marketing spend. The conversation also covers the evolution of digital marketing, the balance between performance and brand marketing, and the value of MMM in providing a holistic view of marketing effectiveness. Marc highlights the growing need for integration between paid and organic search, the influence of audio advertising on consumer behaviour, and the complexities of modern consumer journeys. Other key topics include targeting strategies, AI’s role in marketing measurement, and the necessity for CMOs to be data-savvy. The episode also examines the effectiveness of creative in campaigns and the rising significance of metrics like the Marketing Effectiveness Ratio (MER) in evaluating media performance. Our Guest: Hilary Borndhal, CEO & founder of Miix Analytics Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/hilary-borndahl/ Follow our updates here: ⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/company/sleeping-barber/⁠⁠ Get in touch with our hosts: Marc Binkley: ⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcbinkley/ Vassilis Douros: ⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/vassilisdouros/⁠Follow Our Timestamps: 00:00 - Introduction to Measurement in Marketing 02:56 - Introduction to Hilary, Miix Analytics & the Insights Association 06:07 - The Wanamaker Dilemma and ROI Challenges 08:59 - Understanding Ad Stock and Its Importance 11:49 - The Impact of Cutting Marketing Budgets 15:08 - The Role of Digital Marketing Today 18:03 - Performance Marketing vs. Brand Marketing 20:51 - The Evolution of Measurement Techniques 24:04 - Marketing Mix Modeling Explained 26:56 - Benefits of Marketing Mix Modeling 30:14 - Review Cycles for Marketing Mix Modeling 33:01 - Balancing Brand and Performance Investments 39:42 - The Integration of Paid and Organic Search 42:07 - The Role of Audio in Marketing 44:58 - Consumer Behavior and Search Dynamics 50:37 - The Complexity of Consumer Journeys 54:21 - Narrow vs. Broad Targeting in Marketing 58:43 - The Impact of AI on Marketing Measurement 01:01:15 - Post-pod Discussion - Marc and V's key takeaways and insights from the conversation
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Jan 23, 2025 • 34min

SBP 105: The Barber's Brief - January 23, 2025

Welcome to another episode of The Barber’s Brief, by the Sleeping Barber Podcast! Join Marc and Vassilis as they dive into the latest marketing and business news, spotlight a standout case study in their Marketing Moment, and wrap up with the Ad of the Week. Enjoy the show! Follow our Updates: https://www.linkedin.com/company/sleeping-barber/ Follow our Hosts: Marc Binkley: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcbinkley/ Vassilis Douros: https://www.linkedin.com/in/vassilisdouros/

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