
Talk Evidence
The podcast for evidence based medicine - where research, guidance and practice are debated and demystified
Latest episodes

Nov 9, 2023 • 33min
Low carb and cancer screening
Each episode of Talk Evidence we take a dive into an issue or paper which is in the news, with a little help from some knowledgeable guests to help us to understand what it all means for clinical care, policy, or research.
In this episode:
Helen Macdonald take a deep dive into cancer screening tests, prompted by a paper in JAMA which showed most have no effect on all cause mortality, and news that the NHS is evaluating a single test which screens for 50 common cancers - we ask Barry Kramer, former director of the Division of Cancer Prevention, at the U.S. National Cancer Institute to help explain how to hold those two pieces of knowledge.
Juan Franco has been looking into diet and obesity, prompted by new research in The BMJ and a new Cochrane review, looking at the role of low glycemic index foods in weightloss - we ask Khadidja Chekima, nutritional researcher at Taylor’s University in Malaysia, to define low GI foods, and why it’s so hard to research their role in diet and weightloss
Reading list;
JAMA research - Estimated Lifetime Gained With Cancer Screening Tests; A Meta-Analysis of Randomized Clinical Trials
The BMJ news - Clinicians raise concerns over pilot of blood test for multiple cancers
The BMJ research - Association between changes in carbohydrate intake and long term weight changes: prospective cohort study
Cochrane review - Low glycaemic index or low glycaemic load diets for people with overweight or obesity

Sep 16, 2023 • 29sec
Talking overdiagnosis
In this month's Talk Evidence, Helen and Juan are reporting from Preventing Overdiagnosis - the conference that raises issues of diagnostic accuracy, and asks if starting the process of medicalisation is always the right thing to do for patients.
In this episode, they talk about home testing, sustainability and screening. They're also joined by two guests to talk about the overdiagnosis of obesity - when that label is stigmatising and there seem to be few successful treatments that medicine can offer, and the need to educate students in the concepts of overdiagnosis and too much medicine, to create a culture change in medicine.
Links;
The Preventing Overdiagnosis conference
The BMJ EBM papers on choosing wisely.

Aug 5, 2023 • 37min
Ensuring the integrity of research, and the future of AI as authors
In this month's Talk Evidence, we're getting a little meta - how do we keep an eye on research to make sure it's done with integrity. Helen Macdonald is BMJ's Publication ethics and content integrity editor - and we quiz her about what that actually means on a day to day basis.
Ensuring the integrity of research could be made both easier, and harder, by the ascendance of large language models, Ian Mulvany, BMJ's chief technology officer joins us to talk about how we can harness the power of this new technology.

Aug 5, 2023 • 37min
Talk Evidence - post pandemic pruning, breast cancer screening, and orphan drugs
In this episode of Talk Evidence, Helen Macdonald, Joe Ross, and Juan Franco are back to update us on what's happening in the world of medical evidence.
Firstly, the news about the end of the covid-19 pandemic was trumpeted, but the changes to research funding have been more quite - and the team discuss what this means for ongoing work to understand the effects of covid, but also in terms of preparedness for the next pandemic.
Next, breast cancer screening recommendations, in the USA, have been reduced from women over the age of 50, to those over the age of 40. We discuss the modelling study which lead to that recommendation change, and what the consequence may be in terms of overdiagnosis.
Finally, 40 years ago, the U.S. Orphan Drug act was passed to encourage the development of treatments for rare conditions - but new research looks at how many clinically useful drugs have come onto market, and an analysis examines the way in which the system could be gamed by narrowing disease definitions to create small populations of patients.
Reading list
Is the UK losing its world leading covid surveillance network just when it needs it most?
Breast cancer: US recommends women start screening at 40
FDA approval, clinical trial evidence, efficacy, epidemiology, and price for non-orphan and ultra-rare, rare, and common orphan cancer drug indications

Jul 3, 2023 • 37min
Talk Evidence - post pandemic pruning, breast cancer screening, and orphan drugs
In this episode of Talk Evidence, Helen Macdonald, Joe Ross, and Juan Franco are back to update us on what's happening in the world of medical evidence.
Firstly, the news about the end of the covid-19 pandemic was trumpeted, but the changes to research funding have been more quite - and the team discuss what this means for ongoing work to understand the effects of covid, but also in terms of preparedness for the next pandemic.
Next, breast cancer screening recommendations, in the USA, have been reduced from women over the age of 50, to those over the age of 40. We discuss the modelling study which lead to that recommendation change, and what the consequence may be in terms of overdiagnosis.
Finally, 40 years ago, the U.S. Orphan Drug act was passed to encourage the development of treatments for rare conditions - but new research looks at how many clinically useful drugs have come onto market, and an analysis examines the way in which the system could be gamed by narrowing disease definitions to create small populations of patients.
Reading list
Is the UK losing its world leading covid surveillance network just when it needs it most?
Breast cancer: US recommends women start screening at 40
FDA approval, clinical trial evidence, efficacy, epidemiology, and price for non-orphan and ultra-rare, rare, and common orphan cancer drug indications

May 5, 2023 • 47min
Talk Evidence - cloning, reporting, and disseminating
Helen Macdonald, Juan Franco, and Joe Ross are back with our monthly update on the world of evidence based medicine.
This episode delves into new methodologies which can use observational data to emulate trial data. We discuss a new systematic review and meta-analysis of RCTs for surgical treatment of sciatica. There is elaboration and explanation of the CONSORT Harms 2022 statement - and we'll be asking if it goes far enough. Finally, the old chestnut of surrogate endpoints in cancer treatment trials - are benefits communicated to patients accurately?
Reading list;
Nirmatrelvir and risk of hospital admission or death in adults with covid-19: emulation of a randomized target trial using electronic health records - https://www.bmj.com/content/381/bmj-2022-073312
Surgical versus non-surgical treatment for sciatica
https://www.bmj.com/content/381/bmj-2022-070730
CONSORT Harms 2022 statement, explanation, and elaboration
https://www.bmj.com/content/381/bmj-2022-073725
Funders crack down on unpublished clinical trials—but is it enough?
https://www.bmj.com/content/381/bmj.p840
Communication of anticancer drug benefits and related uncertainties to patients and clinicians
https://www.bmj.com/content/380/bmj-2022-073711

Mar 30, 2023 • 40min
Talk Evidence - automatic approval, evidence apps, and pay for performance data
In this month’s Talk Evidence, Helen Macdonald, Juan Franco and Joseph Ross are back to talk us through some of the latest research,
They’ll talk about pay-for-perfomance schemes, and whether the data they routinely collect is measuring outcomes or tickboxes. They’ll also talk about a new analysis published on bmj.com which suggests ways in which that data could be better.
We’re also by Huseyin Naci, associate professor of health policy at the London School of Economics and Political Science, who will tell us about proposed changes to drug regulation in the UK - and we discuss research which has linked speedier regulatory approval to more adverse advents in post marketing studies.
Finally, we talk about point of care apps. The availability of medical information in the clinic has changed practice, but how good is that information? We hear about research which has evaluated those point of care apps (including BMJ’s Best Practice app) and rates them against different criteria.
Reading list
Estimated impact from the withdrawal of primary care financial incentives on selected indicators of quality of care in Scotland
https://www.bmj.com/content/380/bmj-2022-072098
How can we improve the quality of data collected in general practice?
https://www.bmj.com/content/380/bmj-2022-071950#
UK to give “near automatic sign off” for treatments approved by “trusted” regulators
https://www.bmj.com/content/380/bmj.p633
Smartphone apps for point-of-care information summaries
https://ebm.bmj.com/content/early/2023/03/14/bmjebm-2022-112146

Feb 24, 2023 • 38min
Talk Evidence - masks, chronic pain, and baby milk formulae claims
In this episode of Talk Evidence, Helen Macdonald is joined by Juan Franco and Joe Ross, to bring you the newest evidence in The BMJ.
First, chronic pain. As prescribers move away from opioids, Juan finds an overview of systematic reviews asking whether anti-depressants might help.
Joe finds new research on the link between six healthy lifestyle markers and cognitive decline.
Helen looks at a trial to reduce prescribing among older people with suspected urinary tract infection or UTI.
Juan has a nuanced take on the updated evidence on masks to reduce the spread of respiratory viruses.
Finally, an international group of researchers traced the health claims made about infant formula milk back to the evidence or lack of it
Reading list:
Efficacy, safety, and tolerability of antidepressants for pain in adults
https://www.bmj.com/content/380/bmj-2022-072415
Association between healthy lifestyle and memory decline in older adults
https://www.bmj.com/content/380/bmj-2022-072691
Effect of a multifaceted antibiotic stewardship intervention to improve antibiotic prescribing for suspected urinary tract infections in frail older adults
https://www.bmj.com/content/380/bmj-2022-072319
Physical interventions to interrupt or reduce the spread of respiratory viruses
https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD006207.pub6/full
Health and nutrition claims for infant formula
https://www.bmj.com/content/380/bmj-2022-071075

Jan 27, 2023 • 52min
Talk Evidence - excess deaths, the ONS, and the healthcare crisis
In this week's episode, we're focusing on covid and the ongoing crisis in the NHS.
Helen Macdonald, Juan Franco and Joseph Ross cast their evidence seeking eyes over research into outcomes as well as the workload of doctors.
Firstly, Joe tells us about a new big data study into longer term outcomes after mild covid-19, how those ongoing symptoms relate to long covid, and how often they resolve themselves.
Juan looks back to his homeland to see what Argentina which was very early to offer children vaccinations against covid-19. He tells us how a new study design can help understand how effective different combinations of vaccines were.
Joe has a Danish registry paper, which links people's employment status after a MI, explains how that gives us an insight into morbidity following that event.
Helen looks at a new analysis which outlines the concept of "time needed to treat" - a measure of how much time it would take a clinician to actually carry out a guideline - and you'd be surprised how much GP time would be swallowed by a "brief" intervention to reduce inactivity in their patients.
Finally, the data on excess mortality in the UK has been up for debate recently - our health minister calling into question the Office of National Statistic's data. We hear from Nazrul Islam, Associate professor of medical statistics, advisor to the ONS and BMJ research editor, who has some bad news for him.
Reading list:
Long covid outcomes at one year after mild SARS-CoV-2 infection
https://www.bmj.com/content/380/bmj-2022-072529
Effectiveness of mRNA-1273, BNT162b2, and BBIBP-CorV vaccines against infection and mortality in children in Argentina, during predominance of delta and omicron covid-19 variants
https://www.bmj.com/content/379/bmj-2022-073070
Guidelines should consider clinicians’ time needed to treat
https://www.bmj.com/content/380/bmj-2022-072953
Expanding the measurement of overdiagnosis in the context of disease precursors and risk factors
https://ebm.bmj.com/content/early/2023/01/10/bmjebm-2022-112117
Excess deaths associated with covid-19 pandemic in 2020
https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n1137.abstract

Dec 21, 2022 • 34min
Talking evidence at Christmas
It's almost time for the Christmas edition of the BMJ to hit your doormats, and in this festive edition of Talk Evidence we're going to be talking Christmas research.
Joining Helen and Juan, we have Tim Feeney, BMJ research editor and researcher into Surgical outcomes at Boston University.
In this episode we'll be hearing about the health of footballers, and if a career in the sport predisposes Swedish players to substance use disorders. We'll hear about the performance of BMJ’s editors, when it comes to assessing the impact of a paper. We'll find out if AI algorithms can pass UK radiology exams, misinformation and a belief that everything causes cancer, and finally, some tips from BMJ’s statisticians to set the world right