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Poured Over is a show for readers who pore over details, obsess over sentences and ideas and stories and characters; readers who ask a lot of questions, just like Poured Over’s host, Miwa Messer, a career bookseller who’s always reading. Follow us here for surprising riffs, candid conversations, a few laughs, and lots of great book recommendations from big name authors and authors on their way to being big names. New episodes land Tuesdays and Thursdays (with occasional bonus episodes on Saturdays).
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Mar 21, 2023 • 55min
Matthew Desmond on POVERTY, BY AMERICA
“Look at all the advances we've made in the last 50 years, look at the way that culture and medicine and technology and science have advanced since the Beatles broke up, since we were involved in Vietnam, but the poverty rate has been incredibly stubbornly persistent and I think it's rather shameful for the richest country in the history of the world.” Reading Matthew Desmond’s books will make you smarter, break your heart, make you mad, and push you to think differently about poverty — all in the same moment. Poverty, by America is his follow-up to his landmark book, Evicted: Poverty and Profit in the American City, winner of the Pulitzer Prize. Desmond joins us on the show to talk about going where the data takes him, the human cost of poverty, the gig economy, writing in community, what a post-poverty would could look like, and much more with Poured Over’s host, Miwa Messer. Featured Books: Poverty, by America by Matthew Desmond Evicted: Poverty and Profit in the American City by Matthew Desmond Poured Over is produced and hosted by Miwa Messer and mixed by Harry Liang. Follow us here for new episodes Tuesdays and Thursdays (with occasional Saturdays).

Mar 18, 2023 • 1h 35min
Poured Over Double Shot: Claire Jiménez and Elaine Hsieh Chou
Who gets to tell our stories? Two debut authors use their powerful voices to show strong female characters navigating family, race and colonialism with unfailing humor and heart. Claire Jiménez’s What Happened to Ruthy Ramirez follows a family in the wake of a tragedy as they attempt to move on — and up. Jiménez talks with us about finding the voice in her work, telling Puerto Rican stories, how she uses perspective and humor and more. In Disorientation by Elaine Hsieh Chou we find a young Taiwanese American woman mired in the world of academia and all the challenges that privilege and power can bring. Chou joins us to talk about Asian American identity, how she changed while writing the book, what she’s working on next and more. Listen in as both talk separately with Poured Over’s host, Miwa Messer. And we end this episode with TBR Topoff book recommendations from Jamie and Madyson. Featured Books (Episode): Disorientation by Elaine Hsieh Chou What Happened to Ruthy Ramirez by Claire Jiménez The Makioka Sisters by Junichiro Tanizaki I Hotel by Karen Tei Yamashita Another Country by James Baldwin Dear Miss Metropolitan by Carolyn Ferrell Post-Traumatic by Chantal V. Johnson Yellowface by R.F. Kuang Olga Dies Dreaming by Xochitl Gonzalez War Against All Puerto Ricans by Nelson A. Denis Velorio by Xavier Navarro Aquino Featured Books (TBR Topoff): Black Cake by Charmaine Wilkerson The Love Hypothesis by Ali Hazelwood Poured Over is produced and hosted by Miwa Messer and mixed by Harry Liang. Follow us here for new episodes Tuesdays and Thursdays (with occasional Saturdays).

Mar 16, 2023 • 1h 22min
Poured Over Double Shot: Alice Winn and Madelaine Lucas
From the trenches of WWI to the coast of Australia, these two debut novels depict the ubiquity of coming of age, even when the circumstances are drastically different. In Alice Winn’s In Memoriam, two young men find love and tragedy on the fields of battle. Winn talked with us about how the story came into being, the extensive research required to create her characters and their world, her literary influences and more. Thirst for Salt by Madelaine Lucas follows a young woman through a newfound relationship that alters her perspective on life and the future. Lucas joins us in conversation about location as a character, other novels and writers that weave their way into her work, the music she listens to when writing and more. Listen in as both talk separately with Poured Over’s host, Miwa Messer. And we end this episode with TBR Topoff book recommendations from Marc and Madyson. Featured Books (Episode): In Memoriam by Alice Winn Thirst for Salt by Madelaine Lucas A Little Life by Hanya Yanagihara The Runaways by Fatima Bhutto Storm of Steel by Ernst Jünger Testament of Youth by Vera Brittain Regeneration by Pat Barker Vladimir by Julia May Jonas Giovanni’s Room by James Baldwin Catch-22 by Joseph Heller The Lover by Marguerite Duras Voyage in the Dark by Jean Rhys The Friend by Sigrid Nunez Featured Books (TBR Topoff): Call Me by Your Name by André Aciman Good-bye to All That by Robert Graves Poured Over is produced and hosted by Miwa Messer and mixed by Harry Liang. Follow us here for new episodes Tuesdays and Thursdays (with occasional Saturdays).

Mar 14, 2023 • 1h 25min
Poured Over Double Shot: Jenny Jackson and Ann Napolitano
Family dynamics, for better or worse, are front and center in these two novels from two striking voices in fiction. Jenny Jackson’s debut, Pineapple Street, brings us to an upper-class suburb in New York City — an old-money family, new romance, heartbreak and the kinds of drama only the one-percent can deliver. Jackson joins us to talk about publishing as an author rather than an editor, the intrigue of Brooklyn Heights, how to write humor and more. In Hello Beautiful, Ann Napolitano follows four sisters as they navigate their lives from the 80s to early 2000s through tragedy, love and what happens when our futures don’t go as we’ve planned. We talked with Napolitano about her emotional journey while writing this, incorporating obsessions into your work, how to know when a story sounds right and more. Listen in as both talk separately with Poured Over’s host, Miwa Messer. And we end this episode with TBR Topoff book recommendations from Marc and Jamie. Featured Books (Episode): Pineapple Street by Jenny Jackson Hello Beautiful by Ann Napolitano Crazy Rich Asians by Kevin Kwan Tomorrow, and Tomorrow, and Tomorrow by Gabrielle Zevin Bridget Jones’s Diary by Helen Fielding Games and Rituals by Katherine Heiny Dear Edward by Ann Napolitano Little Women by Louisa May Alcott Commonwealth by Ann Patchett Featured Books (TBR Topoff): The Most Fun We Ever Had by Claire Lombardo How It Feels to Float by Helena Fox Poured Over is produced and hosted by Miwa Messer and mixed by Harry Liang. Follow us here for new episodes Tuesdays and Thursdays (with occasional Saturdays).

Mar 9, 2023 • 46min
Jenny Odell on SAVING TIME: DISCOVERING A LIFE BEYOND THE CLOCK
"I'm also trying to make use of how innate I think curiosity is for people, because curiosity is kind of a way towards hope… it's in that direction." Saving Time: Discovering a Life Beyond the Clock by Jenny Odell, author of How to Do Nothing, asks readers to look at the concept of time, how it relates to the structure of our society and how it can change the way we live our lives. Odell joins us to talk about commodifying time and leisure, the language we use to describe time, the authors and artists that have influenced her and more with Poured Over host Miwa Messer. Listen after the episode for a TBR Topoff from Marc and Madyson. Featured Books (Episode): Saving Time: Discovering a Life Beyond the Clock by Jenny Odell How to Do Nothing by Jenny Odell Grapefruit by Yoko Ono Featured Books (TBR Topoff): Do Nothing by Celeste Headlee Still Pictures by Janet Malcolm Poured Over is produced and hosted by Miwa Messer and mixed by Harry Liang. Follow us here for new episodes Tuesdays and Thursdays (with occasional Saturdays).

Mar 7, 2023 • 51min
Eleanor Catton on BIRNAM WOOD
“I'm interested in how deceptions can make you feel more of yourself or can unlock something in you that you didn't know you had.” Eleanor Catton, Booker Prize-winning author of The Luminaries, is back with Birnam Wood — part eco-thriller, part social and political satire, wholly insightful. This propulsive novel is prescient, timely, and all-too relatable in our present day. Catton joins us in conversation about creating her characters, Shakespeare’s use of prophecy and power, how the story was influenced by Jane Austen’s Emma and more with Poured Over host, Miwa Messer. Listen after the episode for a TBR Topoff from Marc and Madyson. Featured Books (Episode): Birnam Wood by Eleanor Catton The Luminaries by Eleanor Catton Macbeth by William Shakespeare We are Bellingcat by Eliot Higgins Emma by Jane Austen Memento Mori by Muriel Spark On Writing by Stephen King Featured Books (TBR Topoff): The Appeal by Janice Hallett Wilder Girls by Rory Power Poured Over is produced and hosted by Miwa Messer and mixed by Harry Liang. Follow us here for new episodes Tuesdays and Thursdays (with occasional Saturdays)

Mar 4, 2023 • 39min
Will Schwalbe on WE SHOULD NOT BE FRIENDS: THE STORY OF A FRIENDSHIP
“How do you spot a ‘we should not be friends’ friendship? It's when someone shows you who they are, and you like it.” Will Schwalbe, author of The End of Your Life Book Club, tells us how an unexpected friendship with a polar-opposite grew into a lifelong journey through love, losses and triumphs. Schwalbe and Chris Maxey, former Navy SEAL and founder of the Island School, join us to talk about Schwalbe's new book, We Should Not Be Friends: A Story of a Friendship, meeting through a Yale secret society, the importance of vulnerability, what they learned about themselves and each other through telling this story and more live at Barnes & Noble Union Square with Poured Over host, Miwa Messer. Featured Books (episode): We Should Not Be Friends by Will Schwalbe The End of Your Life Book Club by Will Schwalbe The Agony and the Ecstasy by Irving Stone The Rediscovery of North America by Barry Lopez Poured Over is produced and hosted by Miwa Messer and mixed by Harry Liang. Follow us here for new episodes Tuesdays and Thursdays (with occasional Saturdays).

Mar 2, 2023 • 31min
Eloghosa Osunde on VAGABONDS!
"Each time I wrote a story that belonged in this book… It held some pain. It held some love. It held some hope, some longing..." Eloghosa Osunde’s debut novel Vagabonds! is an inventive, mythic whirlwind through the city of Lagos, Nigeria. Told through interconnected short stories, this raw, painful, and ultimately hopeful work sheds light on an often-unseen world and its diverse inhabitants. Osunde talks with us about the significance and spark of inspiration behind the title, writing a novel in an uncommon format, the feelings she wants to leave her readers with and more with Poured Over guest host, Jenna Seery. Featured Books (Episode): Vagabonds! By Eloghosa Osunde The God of Small Things by Arundhati Roy The Icarus Girl by Helen Oyeyemi A Brief History of Seven Killings by Marlon James Featured Books (TBR Topoff): Content Warning: Everything by Akwaeke Emezi The Secret Lives of Church Ladies by Deesha Philyaw Poured Over is produced and hosted by Miwa Messer and mixed by Harry Liang. Follow us here for new episodes Tuesdays and Thursdays (with occasional Saturdays).

Feb 28, 2023 • 40min
Samantha Shannon on A DAY OF FALLEN NIGHT
“I feel like we're in a real golden age of fantasy that's exploring diversity from lots of different perspectives, and telling lots of stories that need to be heard at the moment — I feel really honored to be working within that space.” A Day of Fallen Night has what readers want in high fantasy: strong women, masterful worldbuilding and, of course, dragons. Samantha Shannon’s prequel to her highly acclaimed The Priory of the Orange Tree, is a welcome return to the lands and skies of this mystical world. Shannon joins us to talk about reframing myths, equality in the fantasy genre, how her books get their stunning covers, authors she recommends and more with Poured Over guest host, Kat Sarfas. Listen after the episode for a TBR Topoff from Marc and Madyson. Featured Books (Episode): A Day of Fallen Night by Samantha Shannon The Priory of the Orange Tree by Samantha Shannon The Song Rising by Samantha Shannon The Jasmine Throne by Tasha Suri The Unbroken by C.L. Clark Deep as the Sky, Red as the Sea by Rita Chang-Eppig Juniper and Thorn by Ava Reid Featured Books (TBR Topoff): Song of Silver, Flame Like Night by Amélie Wen Zhao Eragon by Christopher Paolini Poured Over is produced and hosted by Miwa Messer and mixed by Harry Liang. Follow us here for new episodes Tuesdays and Thursdays (with occasional Saturdays)

Feb 25, 2023 • 48min
Asale Angel-Ajani on A COUNTRY YOU CAN LEAVE
“When you've been disappointed for that long in your life — what kind of people are you? What do you become?” A Country You Can Leave, the debut novel from author Asale Angel-Ajani, is an unconventional family story following a Russian mother and Black, biracial daughter as they navigate class, trauma and relationships in California’s desert. Angel-Ajani joins us in conversation about discovering her characters, the portrayal of motherhood, her literary influences, and more with Poured Over host, Miwa Messer. Listen after the episode for a TBR Topoff from Marc and Madyson. Featured Books (Episode): A Country You Can Leave by Asale Angel-Ajani Strange Trade by Asale Angel-Ajani The Hour of the Star by Clarice Lispector The Temple of My Familiar by Alice Walker Another Country by James Baldwin Featured Books (TBR Topoff): I Will Die in a Foreign Land by Kalani Pickhart On Earth We’re Briefly Gorgeous by Ocean Vuong Poured Over is produced and hosted by Miwa Messer and mixed by Harry Liang. Follow us here for new episodes Tuesdays and Thursdays (with occasional Saturdays).