
Maggie Lake Talking Markets
Maggie Lake breaks down all the daily market action with the best minds in finance. Join us after the US market close each day for smart conversation that will help you understand this complex investing landscape and build wealth without losing your sanity. If you want knowledge, civility, karaoke and the occasional cocktail recommendation, you've come to the right place.
Latest episodes

Jan 31, 2025 • 31min
Episode 11: Tariffs, Inflation And Implications For The Fed. With Harry Melandri
Maggie Lake sits down with Harry Melandri, senior advisor to Arque Advisors and author of the Respice Finem Substack, to wrap up a dramatic week for markets. Late breaking news that the Trump Administration may levy taxes on Canada, Mexico and China as soon as Feb 1st sparked selling and a whole lot of confusion. Harry talks about the interplay between politics and the markets and why he thinks the Fed may keep rates lower than they want. ,
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Chapters
00:00 Tariffs and Market Reactions
06:01 Monetary Policy and Inflation Dynamics
12:55 Fiscal Policy and Deficit Challenges
18:51 The Future of Interest Rates
25:03 Investment Opportunities in a Volatile Market
*We know you get this, but gotta say it anyway - this show is for informational purposes only and is not financial advice.

Jan 29, 2025 • 38min
Episode 10: The Fed Is On Hold, But For How Long? With Kevin Muir
The Fed held rates steady, but it didn't take long for President Trump to criticize Powell. Maggie Lake sits down with Kevin Muir, author of the Macro Tourist newsletter to talk about interest rates, the impact of Trump tariff policy and why he thinks US equities are at risk for a big correction. They also talk about why he is bearish Canada and why every investor need to pay attention to foreign exchange markets. .
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00:00 - Introduction: Kevin Muir on Market Risks and Opportunities
00:30 - Is the Fed on Hold? What’s Next for Interest Rates
01:20 - Market Overconfidence: The Cliff of Overconfidence vs. Wall of Worry
03:40 - AI, Tech, and the Market’s Reaction to DeepSeek
06:15 - Market Euphoria: Signs of a Topping Pattern?
08:38 - Rotation Risks: Will Small Caps and Value Stocks Take Over?
11:26 - Is Gold a Safe Haven or a Central Bank Game?
14:22 - How Bearish Is Kevin? The One-Year S&P Outlook
17:15 - Commodities: Copper, Platinum, and Palladium Opportunities
21:26 - Canada’s Economic Challenges: Housing, Debt, and Immigration
26:42 - Tariffs, Trade Wars, and Canada’s Vulnerability
30:49 - Trump’s Economic Plans and the Market’s Complacency
35:13 - The Biggest Market Risk: FX Volatility on the Horizon
37:52 - Closing Thoughts: How to Navigate an Uncertain Market

Jan 28, 2025 • 34min
Episode 09: DeepSeek and the Geopolitical Chess Game. With Jacob Shapiro
China's DeepSeek AI has reportedly matched the performance of OpenAI and other models at a fraction of the cost. The news sent US tech stocks plummeting Monday, with Nvidia shares losing nearly 17%. Jacob Shapiro, Head of Geopolitical and Macro at The Bespoke Group, joins Maggie Lake today to discuss the market and geopolitical implications of the news. Will this help or hinder a deal with China? Jacob also weighs in on Mexico, the Ukraine war and why Germany may be the most important country to watch.
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00:00 - Introduction: Jacob Shapiro
01:00 - Is China's DeepSeek What Caused the Market Sell-Off
04:40 - It Hurst Much More to Lose
06:35 - China’s AI Strategy: Threat or Overhyped?
11:10 - Trump’s Trade Policies: Bluff or Real Economic Shift?
18:30 - Could Countries Turn to China?
22:25 - The Risk of Germany Pivoting Away from the US
25:50 - Ukraine, Russia, and the Role of China in Ending the War
28:25 - The Future of US Manufacturing and Trade Policy
34:15 - Closing Thoughts: Filtering Noise and Finding Real Signals

Jan 24, 2025 • 39min
Episode 08: Spotting the Opportunities in AI. With Ben Miller
To wrap up the week on Talking Markets, Maggie Lake sits down with Ben Miller, CEO of Fundrise - a company aims to give investors a path to private markets. Ben invests in both commercial real estate and late stage tech which gives him a unique perspective on two areas in the news. He and Maggie discuss where we are in the AI cycle (early innings) and where he thinks the next big movers will be (killer apps). The also talk about commercial real estate which Ben thinks will turn the corner this year. He sees interesting value v. equities in certain areas.
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00:00 - Intro with Ben Miller
00:30 - The Best of Times, The Worst of Times: AI vs. Real Estate
02:00 - Fundrise’s Evolution: From Real Estate to AI Investing
03:57 - How Fundrise Gives Investors Access to Private Tech Companies
08:00 - AI Boom or Bubble? Lessons from Past Tech Cycles
12:00 - The Risk of AI Startups: Which Companies Will Survive?
19:15 - Why More Companies Are Avoiding IPOs
24:20 - AI’s Infrastructure Boom: The Future of Data Centers
27:25 - Bond Yields and the Real Estate Market Outlook
36:55 - The Next AI Breakthrough: Where Will the Killer App Come From?
40:30 - Closing Thoughts: Real Estate, Markets, and Investor Strategies

Jan 22, 2025 • 40min
Episode 07: Treasury Market Sell-offs The "New Normal"? with Vincent DeLuard
Maggie Lake sits down with Vincent Deluard, Director of Global Macro Strategy at StoneX Group, to discuss why liquidity issues, the California wildfires, and other factors may mean Treasury market sell-offs are the “new normal.” They also discuss the risks facing some tech companies as they try to navigate the new Trump administration and where Vincent sees the most opportunity as the MAGA agenda moves forward.
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Chapters
00:00Market Dynamics and the Trump Administration's Influence
11:33 Inflation Trends and Their Impact on Treasuries
19:30 The Future of Bond Yields and Market Liquidity
20:02 Foreign Investment and U.S. Treasury Market Dynamics
22:18 Liquidity Challenges and Market Volatility
25:35 Global Economic Comparisons: U.S. vs. U.K. and Brazil
26:59 The Role of Treasury Management in Economic Stability
28:52 Bitcoin vs. Government Bonds: A Future Perspective
30:21 Assessing Risk in Current Market Conditions
33:52 Opportunities Amidst Economic Uncertainty

Jan 17, 2025 • 34min
Episode 06: How To Navigate This New Era of Volatility | with Cem Karsan
A listener once joked the Cem is from the future and that doesn't feel far off.! As always, Cem brings his unique understanding of the options and derivatives market to shed light on the short term flows impacting stocks and bonds. Maggie's also gets his take on what Trump's first 100 days might look like, where he sees risks building, and how investors can prepare for what he sees as the long term trend of higher inflation and higher rates. Warning - something will break.
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00:00 - Introduction: Volatility and Market Insights with Cem Karsan
00:30 - Post-Election Market Trends and Liquidity Flows
03:23 - Counter-Trend Rally or Something More?
05:55 - Positioning and Sentiment in 2025 Markets
08:41 - Options and Derivatives: Their Role in Price Action
13:43 - Rising Treasury Yields and Inflation Risks
18:25 - Long-Term Interest Rates: Breaking Points Ahead?
22:27 - Populism, Fiscal Stimulus, and Inflation Trends
30:26 - Yield Curve Control: Can It Work in This Environment?
37:13 - Closing Thoughts: Navigating a Post-Election Year
*We know you get this, but gotta say it anyway - this show is for informational purposes only and is not financial advice.

Jan 15, 2025 • 33min
Episode 05: Are Commodities About To Break Out? With Mish Schneider
Maggie Lake sits down with Mish Schneider, Chief Strategist at MarketGauge.com, to discuss today's CPI numbers and what they mean for markets, the January trade trend reset, the weather factors putting pressure on energy and grain prices, sectors MarketGauge likes right now, and MIsh's top 3 picks.
For more on Mish's work: https://marketgauge.com/
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Connect with me on Twitter: https://x.com/maggielake00:00 - Introduction: Talking Markets with Mish Schneider
00:30 - Market Rally and Soft Landing Narrative
02:15 - January Trend Trade Reset and Key Levels to Watch
05:26 - Inflation and Treasury Market Outlook
09:13 - Trading in a Headline-Driven Market
13:30 - Volatility Ahead: Commodities and Stagflation Risks
17:35 - Stock Picking Opportunities for 2025
20:29 - Industrial and Made-in-America Resurgence
24:21 - Bitcoin, Ethereum, and Altcoin Strategies
28:54 - AI Investments: From Hardware to Software
*We know you get this, but gotta say it anyway - this show is for informational purposes only and is not financial advice.

Jan 13, 2025 • 31min
Episode 04: Are Higher Rates The New Normal? With Darius Dale
US Treasury bond yields continue to rise and US stocks are under pressure as investors worry the Fed may be done cutting rates. Are higher rates here to stay? Maggie Lake sits down with Darius Dale, Founder of 42 Macro, to preview the inflation data due out this week and what it might mean for Fed policy. They'll also talk about what Darius means when he says investors need to beware the triple S'es - size, sequence and scope.
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00:00 - Introduction: Darius Dale on 2025 Market Challenges
00:30 - Wide and Widening Economic Outcomes: What Lies Ahead
02:28 - Sticky Inflation: Why the Fed’s 2% Target Is Unlikely
05:49 - Policy Shifts Under the Trump Administration: Risks and Opportunities
09:59 - The Impact of Labor Costs and Productivity on Inflation
14:12 - Treasury Financing Policies and Market Volatility
18:49 - Global Debt Refinancing Needs in 2025
21:39 - Inflation and the Bond Market: Are Higher Rates Sustainable?
26:31 - Economic System vs. Market System: Can They Handle Higher Rates?
30:20 - Preparing for a Volatile Year: Investor Risk Management Strategies
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Jan 10, 2025 • 32min
Episode 03: Is Canada The New Argentina? With Jared Dillian
When Jared Dillian turns his eye toward Canada, we pay attention. Jared has a long history trading Canada and right now, he thinks: "If you want another shot at an economically unfree country becoming free, look at Canada." Maggie Lake sits down with the editor of the Daily Dirtnap and founder of JaredDillianMoney.com to talk about why he thinks Canada might be the next Argentina. They also unpack the stronger than expected jobs number, what it says about the US economy and bond yields.
For more of Jared's work: https://www.dailydirtnap.com/
And Co-host of the @MacroDirtCast
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Jan 8, 2025 • 31min
Episode 02: "The Unwinding Of The Largest Financial Bubble Ever". With Peter Boockvar
Bond yields are on the rise around the world, raising concerns of a sovereign debt crisis. What's driving rates higher and what will that mean for global equities? Maggie Lake sits down with Peter Boockvar, Chief Investment Officer at Bleakley Financial Group, to discuss the market action. Peter will also break down the latest economic data and talk about where he sees opportunity in these volatile markets.
For more of Peter's work, read The Boock Report here: https://peterboockvar.substack.com/
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