
The Sword & The Trowel
The Sword & The Trowel is the weekly Founders Ministries podcast with Tom Ascol. New episodes drop every Tuesday.
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Sep 12, 2023 • 39min
TS&TT: Dusty Deevers | A Pastor Running For State Senate - How Do Christians Engage In Politics?
Today on The Sword and The Trowel, Tom Ascol and Graham Gunden talk with Dusty Deevers, Pastor of Grace Reformed Baptist Church of Elgin, OK. Dusty is currently running for State Senate in Oklahoma. They discuss why Christians should be involved in politics, how a Pastor can serve in a political office and more.
SHOW NOTES:
Dusty Deevers: https://www.deevers2023.com
2024 National Founders Conference: Remember Jesus Christ | https://founders.org/conference/
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Sep 5, 2023 • 30min
TS&TT: David Schrock | Dividing the Faithful: How A Book Fractured A Movement Founded on Grace
Today on The Sword and The Trowel, Tom Ascol and Graham Gunden welcome Pastor David Schrock back to the show to discuss his newest book - Dividing The Faithful: How a Little Book on Race Fractured a Movement Founded on Grace. David's book serves as a chapter by chapter analysis of “Divided by Faith" and today on the show, he shares a little bit of the history behind writing it and the need to address these dangerous ideologies permeating the evangelical church today. Whether you have read or recommend Divided by Faith or not, Dividing the Faithful will help you discern the underlying categories that so often dominate evangelical discussions on race.
SHOW NOTES:
2024 National Founders Conference: Remember Jesus Christ | https://founders.org/conference/
Pre-order Dividing the Faithful by David Schrock: https://g3min.org/product/dividing-the-faithful-david-schrock/
Pre-Order: Serious Joy: Reflections and Devotions on Jonathan Edwards Seventy Resolutions: https://press.founders.org/shop/serious-joy/
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Aug 29, 2023 • 35min
TS&TT: Lizzie Marbach | Fired For Sharing Gospel Message & The Truth Behind The Pro-Life Movement
Today on The Sword and The Trowel, Tom Ascol and Graham Gunden talk with Lizzie Marbach, former communications director for Ohio Right To Life. Lizzie made headlines recently when she was publicly slammed by a local Republican for sharing a Gospel message on social media. Shortly after that tweet, Lizzie was fired from her position at Ohio RTL. In this episode, she shares more of the story and also discusses some of the issues within the Pro-life movement.
SHOW NOTES: 2024 National Founders Conference: Remember Jesus Christ | https://founders.org/conference/
Blaze Article: https://www.theblaze.com/op-ed/commentary-the-real-story-behind-why-i-was-fired-from-ohio-right-to-life
Bradley Pierce Sermon: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYgd-evlHIQ&t=2s
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Aug 22, 2023 • 21min
TS&TT: Phil Johnson | The Importance Of Studying Christology
Today on The Sword and The Trowel, Tom Ascol and Graham Gunden talk with Brother Phil Johnson, executive director of Grace to You. They discuss some of the Christological controversies, both in the early church and now, and they also unpack why studying the doctrine of Christ is important.
SHOW NOTES:
2024 National Founders Conference: Remember Jesus Christ | https://founders.org/conference/
Serious Joy: Reflections and Devotions on Jonathan Edwards’ Seventy Resolutions - https://press.founders.org/shop/serious-joy/
Find out more about The Institute of Public Theology: https://www.instituteofpublictheology.org
Support Founders Ministries and become a part of the F.A.M: https://press.founders.org/fam/
Founders Church Search: https://church.founders.org
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Shop the Founders Press Store: https://press.founders.org/
Become a part of the F.A.M. https://press.founders.org/fam/
The Institute of Public Theology: https://www.instituteofpublictheology.org/
Wield The Sword: https://founders.org/wieldthesword/
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Aug 15, 2023 • 32min
TS&TT: Should Women Be Theologians? — Complementarianism, Patriarchy, & the Bible
Today on The Sword and The Trowel, Tom Ascol and Graham Gunden talk about Complementarianism, Egalitarianism and Patriarchy. They address the recent conversations around women studying theology, women teaching theology, women pastors and more. Included in this episode is also an exciting announcement regarding our 2024 National Founders Conference.
SHOW NOTES:
2024 National Founders Conference: Remember Jesus Christ | https://founders.org/conference/
Serious Joy: Reflections and Devotions on Jonathan Edwards’ Seventy Resolutions - https://press.founders.org/shop/serious-joy/
Find out more about The Institute of Public Theology: https://www.instituteofpublictheology.org
Support Founders Ministries and become a part of the F.A.M: https://press.founders.org/fam/
Founders Church Search: https://church.founders.org
Founders Sermon Podcast Stream: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/sermons-by-founders-ministries/id1613963681
Shop the Founders Press Store: https://press.founders.org/
Become a part of the F.A.M. https://press.founders.org/fam/
The Institute of Public Theology: https://www.instituteofpublictheology.org/
Wield The Sword: https://founders.org/wieldthesword/
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Aug 8, 2023 • 30min
TS&TT: Marcus Schroeder | Teenager Arrested For Preaching Christ At A Drag Queen Event
Today on The Sword and The Trowel, Tom Ascol talks with 19 year old Marcus Schroeder, street preacher and student at the Institute of Public Theology. On Saturday, July 29th, while reading Scripture and preaching at an event where drag queens were performing in front of children, Marcus was arrested. Dr. Ascol discusses with Marcus what happened that day and the importance of living out our faith in the public square.
SHOW NOTES:
Exclusive: Young Christians react to their arrest at drag queen event:
https://republicsentinel.com/articles/exclusive-young-christians-react-to-their-arrest-at-drag-queen-event
Find out more about The Institute of Public Theology: https://www.instituteofpublictheology.org
2024 National Founders Conference: Remember Jesus Christ | https://founders.org/conference/
Support Founders Ministries and become a part of the F.A.M: https://press.founders.org/fam/
Founders Church Search: https://church.founders.org
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Shop the Founders Press Store: https://press.founders.org/
Become a part of the F.A.M. https://press.founders.org/fam/
The Institute of Public Theology: https://www.instituteofpublictheology.org/
Wield The Sword: https://founders.org/wieldthesword/
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Aug 1, 2023 • 29min
TS&TT: E.D. Burns | Seeds and Stars: Resting in Christ for Great Commission Service
Today on The Sword and The Trowel, Tom Ascol and Graham Gunden welcome Dr. E.D. Burns, a longtime missionary overseas, author and theological instructor both overseas and stateside. Dr. Burns came on the show to discuss his newest book with Founders Press: Seeds and Stars: Resting in Christ for Great Commission Service.
SHOW NOTES:
Frontier Dispatch: https://frontierdispatch.net
Get 20% off Seeds and Stars with code - BURNS: https://press.founders.org/shop/seeds-and-stars/
Get 20% off E.D. Burns books with code - BURNS: https://press.founders.org/writer/e-d-burns/
2024 National Founders Conference: Remember Jesus Christ | https://founders.org/conference/
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Founders Church Search: https://church.founders.org
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Shop the Founders Press Store: https://press.founders.org/
Become a part of the F.A.M. https://press.founders.org/fam/
The Institute of Public Theology: https://www.instituteofpublictheology.org/
Wield The Sword: https://founders.org/wieldthesword/
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Jul 25, 2023 • 34min
TS&TT: Travis Allen | Pastoral Ministry In The 21st Century - Challenges & Blessings
Today on The Sword and The Trowel, Tom Ascol and Graham Gunden talk with Travis Allen, Pastor of Grace Baptist Church in Greeley, Colorado and Professor at IOPT. They discuss Pastoral ministry in the 21st century - both the challenges and the joyful wonder that comes from being in such a role. They address this trend of celebrity pastors, being consumer Christians and more.
SHOW NOTES: PRE-ORDER Life In The Body Of Christ: https://press.founders.org/shop/life-in-the-body-of-christ/
2024 National Founders Conference: Remember Jesus Christ | https://founders.org/conference/
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Founders Church Search: https://church.founders.org
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Founders Sermon Podcast Stream: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/sermons-by-founders-ministries/id1613963681
Shop the Founders Press Store: https://press.founders.org/
Become a part of the F.A.M. https://press.founders.org/fam/
The Institute of Public Theology: https://www.instituteofpublictheology.org/
Wield The Sword: https://founders.org/wieldthesword/
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Jul 18, 2023 • 34min
TS&TT: The Blessing & Beauty Of Children In Gathered Worship
Today on The Sword and The Trowel, Tom Ascol and Graham Gunden talk about children in times of gathered church worship. We have a responsibility to raise our children in the Lord, but what does that look like on a Sunday morning when they're wiggly and fussing? Tom and Graham share their perspectives both as Pastors and Fathers, and offer some challenges to the mainstream thinking about children in church.
SHOW NOTES:
PRE-ORDER Life In The Body Of Christ: https://press.founders.org/shop/life-in-the-body-of-christ/
Truth & Grace Memory Books for Children: https://press.founders.org/shop/truth-and-grace-tag-memory-books-3-book-set/
Support Founders Ministries and become a part of the F.A.M: https://press.founders.org/fam/
2024 National Founders Conference: Remember Jesus Christ | https://founders.org/conference/
Founders Church Search: https://church.founders.org
Apply at The Institute of Public Theology: https://www.instituteofpublictheology.org
Founders Sermon Podcast Stream: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/sermons-by-founders-ministries/id1613963681
Shop the Founders Press Store: https://press.founders.org/
Become a part of the F.A.M. https://press.founders.org/fam/
The Institute of Public Theology: https://www.instituteofpublictheology.org/
Wield The Sword: https://founders.org/wieldthesword/
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Jul 11, 2023 • 39min
TS&TT: Carl Trueman | Insights into the Evangelical World & CRT in Christianity
Today on The Sword and The Trowel, Tom Ascol and Graham Gunden talk with Dr. Carl Trueman. They discuss his IOPT course on The Rise of the Modern Self, his insights on the current evangelical world and is there a place for CRT in Christianity?
SHOW NOTES:
The Rise and Triumph of the Modern Self: https://www.crossway.org/books/the-rise-and-triumph-of-the-modern-self-hcj/
Support Founders Ministries and become a part of the F.A.M: https://press.founders.org/fam/
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Founders Sermon Podcast Stream: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/sermons-by-founders-ministries/id1613963681
Shop the Founders Press Store: https://press.founders.org/
Become a part of the F.A.M. https://press.founders.org/fam/
The Institute of Public Theology: https://www.instituteofpublictheology.org/
Wield The Sword: https://founders.org/wieldthesword/
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