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Dec 6, 2023 • 22min

Spain, the EU and China, with Mario Esteban

In July 2023, Spain took over the presidency of the council of the European Union, the first transfer of this position since the introduction of de-risking into the bloc’s relationship with China. Johannes Heller-John talks with Mario Esteban, full professor at the Centre for East Asian Studies of the Autonomous University of Madrid and Senior Analyst at the Elcano Royal Institute, about the Spanish-China relationship, the role of China during Spain’s Council Presidency and the Agenda of the upcoming EU-China Summit. Together with his colleague Hugo Armanini, Mario wrote the chapter on Spain in this year’s report by the European Think-tank Network on China (ETNC).
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Nov 30, 2023 • 25min

The upcoming EU-China Summit, with Abigaël Vasselier

The EU-China Summit on December 7-8 in Beijing will see EU Commission President Ursula von der Leyen and European Council President Charles Michel meet Chinese President Xi Jinping, while Premier Li Qiang is expected to chair. It is the first summit in this format held in person in four years. It takes place in a difficult geopolitical environment where China’s relations with the EU as well as the US are marred by thorny issues like the Russian invasion of Ukraine, tensions over Taiwan, and disagreements about market access.What issues are likely to be on the agenda? What outcomes can we expect? And what is on the table in EU-China relations in 2024? To discuss these questions, Claudia Wessling is joined by Abigaël Vasselier, Director Policy & European Affairs and Head of Program of the MERICS research team on China’s Foreign Relations. In her previous position, Abigaël worked as Deputy Head of Division for China, Hong Kong, Macao, Taiwan and Mongolia at the European External Action Service (EEAS). This podcast episode is part of the “Dealing with a Resurgent China” (DWARC) project, which has received funding from the European Union’s Horizon Europe research and innovation programme under grant agreement number 101061700.Views and opinions expressed are however those of the author(s) only and do not necessarily reflect those of the European Union. Neither the European Union nor the granting authority can be held responsible for them.
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Nov 24, 2023 • 39min

Countering Chinese disinformation in the EU, with Ivana Karásková and Grzegorz Stec

How have Chinese attempts to shape the public opinion in Europe evolved? How does it differ from Russian disinformation? And how does the EU try to counter it? In this episode of the MERICS China Podcast, Johannes Heller-John talks to Ivana Karásková and Grzegorz Stec. Ivana is a European China Policy Fellow at MERICS and the founder of projects MapInfluenCE and China Observers in Central and Eastern Europe (CHOICE) at Association for International Affairs (AMO) in Prague. She is also a Special Advisor to Vice-President of the European Commission Věra Jourová, for the preparation of the Defense of Democracy package. Grzegorz Stec is Analyst in the Brussels Bureau of MERICS.Together with Katja Drinhausen and Mareike Ohlberg, they are the authors of the recent MERICS Report “Image control: How China struggles for discourse power”. This podcast episode, as well as the above-mentioned study, are part of a research project funded by the German Foreign Office.Further reading mentioned in the episode: Foreign Electoral Interference Affecting EU Democratic Processes by Ivana Karásková, Una Aleksandra Bērziņa-Čerenkova, and Kara Němečková of the Association for International Affairs (AMO)
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Nov 17, 2023 • 25min

Negotiating in China, with Jörg Wuttke

Jörg Wuttke, former President of the European Chamber of Commerce in China, shares intriguing negotiation stories from his 25 years of experience in Beijing. He emphasizes the importance of going in as a mouse rather than a lion. Topics discussed include learning Sun Tzu's 'The Art of War', enduring silence, and the most authentic politician to negotiate with Beijing.
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Nov 10, 2023 • 24min

China vor dem dritten Plenum, mit Johnny Erling

Vor einem Jahr wurde Staats- und Parteichef Xi Jinping kurz nach dem 20. Parteitag der KPC im ersten Plenum des Zentralkomitees für eine dritte Amtszeit bestätigt. In diesem Jahr steht das alle fünf Jahre stattfindende dritte Plenum an, auf dem in der Vergangenheit oft richtungsweisende Reformentscheidungen beschlossen wurden.Das Treffen wurde für Oktober oder November erwartet, doch bisher ist nichts darüber bekannt. In Online-Debatten diskutieren die Menschen in China über mögliche Gründe und fordern Reformen. Über die Lage der Kommunistische Partei und vor allem Xi Jinpings vor dem dritten Plenum sowie über Herausforderungen und mögliche Reformen spricht Johannes Heller-John mit MERICS Senior Associate Fellow Johnny Erling. Erling lebte mehrere Jahrzehnte in China und war von 1997 bis 2019 Korrespondent in Beijing für die deutsche Zeitung "Die Welt" und den österreichischen "Der Standard".
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Oct 20, 2023 • 50min

A decade of the Belt and Road Initiative, with Clark Banach and Jacob Gunter

The year 2023 marks the 10th anniversary of the Belt and Road Initiative (BRI), a global infrastructure development strategy adopted by the Chinese government in 2013. By now, the BRI is more than just ports and rail lines and its projects covers a variety of sectors like energy, telecommunications, digital, health, education, and culture. How has the BRI changed in the last decade? What mark has it left abroad and at home? And how do initiatives from the EU and the US fare in comparison? Clark Banach, Futures Fellow at MERICS and Program Director at the Alethia Research Institution, and Jacob Gunter, Lead Analyst at MERICS, join Johannes Heller-John to answer these questions.
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Oct 12, 2023 • 27min

China’s economic trajectory, with Bert Hofman and Jacob Gunter

After a decade in power, party and state leader Xi Jinping has fundamentally reshaped China’s political economy in pursuit of the Chinese Communist Party’s long-term goal: to return to a strong and prosperous China at the heart of the global economy. As the CCP approaches the 2023 Third Plenum, an event which will give important indications on the future of China’s economy, Christine Krüger is talking to Bert Hofman, Director of the East Asian Institute at the National University of Singapore, and Senior Associate Fellow at MERICS, and Jacob Gunter, Lead Analyst in the Economy program at MERICS.Jacob is also the co-author with MERICS Chief Economist Max J. Zenglein of a new MERICS Report titled “The party knows best: aligning economic actors with China’s strategic goals” that analyzes the meaning of the fundamental shifts in China’s economic governance that are currently unfolding.
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Oct 6, 2023 • 48min

Wie China sein Bild im Ausland kontrolliert, mit Katja Drinhausen und Mareike Ohlberg

Wie versucht Beijing das Chinabild in Deutschland und Europa zu prägen? Was unternimmt die chinesische Regierung, um Kritik zu unterbinden? Und wo hört legitime Eigenwerbung auf und fängt Propaganda an? Zu diesen und anderen Fragen spricht Johannes Heller-John mit Katja Drinhausen, Leiterin des Programms Politik und Gesellschaft am MERICS, und Mareike Ohlberg, Senior Fellow im Indopazifik Programm des German Marshall Funds. Sie geben Einblicke in die Formen chinesischer Einflussnahme in Deutschland und einen möglichen Umgang damit.Zusammen mit MERICS Analyst Grzegorz Stec und European China Policy Fellow Ivana Karásková sind sie Mitautorinnen einer neuen Studie zu chinesischer Einflussnahme mit dem Titel Studie „Image control: How China struggles for discourse power“. Diese Podcastfolge wie auch die MERICS-Studie sind Teil eines vom Auswärtigen Amt geförderten Forschungsprojekts.
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Sep 28, 2023 • 26min

China’s drive for innovation, with Tai Ming Cheung

China’s efforts to advance national innovation face difficulties in times of decoupling and de-risking. Together with Tai Ming Cheung, Director of the University of California Institute on Global Conflict and Cooperation and Professor at the School of Global Policy and Strategy at University of California, San Diego, and Jeroen Groenewegen-Lau, Head of the Science, Technology and Innovation Program at MERICS, Johannes Heller-John discusses China’s national innovation system, the threat of the militarization of science and technology, the role of science diplomacy and the importance of more clarity with regards to what does and what does not fall under national security.The conversation was recorded during the conference on Chinese National Innovation and Techno-Industrial Eco-Systems, which was held on September 5 and 6, 2023 at MERICS in Berlin. 
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Sep 15, 2023 • 26min

China's EV export boom, with Ilaria Mazzocco and Gregor Sebastian

The share of electric vehicles (EVs) in Europe that are imported from China could reach 15 percent in 2025, up from six percent in 2022, projected the European Commission in an announcement on September 13, where it also launched an investigation into whether Chinese EV-imports are benefiting from unfair state subsidies and should be imposed with tariffs. Ilaria Mazzocco, Senior Fellow with the Trustee Chair in Chinese Business and Economics at the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS), and Gregor Sebastian, Analyst at MERICS, talk to Johannes Heller-John about how Chinese EV-manufacturers have become so important, current trends in the country’s EV industry, and implications for European governments and manufacturers. They are the co-authors of a new CSIS report called “Electric shock: Interpreting China’s electric vehicle export boom”.

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