

NSPCC Learning Podcast
NSPCC Learning
Welcome to the NSPCC Learning Podcast - a series of episodes that cover a range of child protection issues to inform, create debate and tell you about the work we do to keep children safe. At the heart of every episode is the child’s voice and how what they tell us informs the work we do. If you are looking for more safeguarding and child protection training, information and resources, please visit our NSPCC Learning website.
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Aug 24, 2020 • 19min
32: Safeguarding advice for tutors
The tutoring sector is largely unregulated. However, like teachers, tutors are also responsible for ensuring the young people they work with are protected. Students may open up to them about what is going on in their lives. It could be related to abuse, neglect or any other concerns they have. Therefore, it’s vital that all tutors are aware of their safeguarding responsibilities and what appropriate practices and behaviour are so they don’t put a child or themselves at risk.
In this episode, you’ll hear us talk to two members of The Tutors' Association (TTA) about:
the biggest safeguarding challenges tutors face
regulation of the tutoring sector and the role associations play
the impact of the pandemic, lockdown and social distancing on tutoring
whether parents have had concerns about safeguarding
content and resources available on NSPCC Learning for new and existing tutors.
Read the podcast transcript on the NSPCC Learning website.
💬 About the speakers
Sarah Gordon started her career as an English teacher and left full-time school-teaching to set up her own private tuition company, Signature Tuition. She is also a member and Board Director for the UK's only accredited tutoring body, The Tutors' Association. Sarah believes firmly that safeguarding awareness should be at the core of all tutors' work.
Helen Munn is the Head of Online Learning at the NSPCC and is responsible for the organisation’s elearning courses and our podcast programme. Prior to joining the NSPCC, she held a similar role at the Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists.
John Nichols has many years of experience in teaching and delivering tuition to whole classes, small groups and individuals. He has worked for an educational charity and has also served as director, vice president and president of The Tutors' Association (2020-21).
📚 Related resources
> Find out more about safeguarding for tutors
> See our safeguarding guidance for working on your own with children
> Get tips for writing safeguarding policies and procedures
> Read more about teaching students remotely
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Jul 27, 2020 • 26min
31: Living through a pandemic: what children told us
Every young person’s experience of the pandemic and lockdown has been different. Some have been confronted with new challenges during this period and are finding new ways to cope. Others may have limited contact with a trusted adult or someone with a safeguarding responsibility who they can turn to for support.
We invited Kirsty Donnelly and Robert Burns who both work for Childline to talk to us about what children and young people have been telling them in counselling sessions and online message boards. You’ll hear about:
children’s thoughts and worries over the last couple of months
a change in the way children and young people have been contacting Childline
how Childline has adapted and adjusted their online and counselling services and dealt with new issues they haven’t had to consider or tackle before
how children have been supporting each other through Childline’s online communities
the child protection issues that may emerge as we transition back to the ‘new normal’.
Read the podcast transcript on the NSPCC Learning website.
💬 About the speakers
Robert Burns started as a volunteer counsellor at Childline to complement his work as a secondary school teacher. He is now a supervisor and looks at how children and young people are using Childline.
Kirsty Donnelly is a Community Manager at Childline and a part of the Online Services team. She is responsible for various digital channels and is involved in maintaining the safeguarding policies and procedures for user-generated content on these platforms, moderating this content and liaising with external agencies when required.
📚 Related resources
> View our Childline briefing for an insight into issues raised in counselling sessions between January and April 2020
> Read about online safety during coronavirus
> See all our resources for safeguarding during the pandemic
> Visit and share the Childline website with children and young people you work with
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Jun 29, 2020 • 21min
30: Children’s services, social distancing and COVID-19
Social distancing measures and lockdown has made it difficult for practitioners to provide direct contact to children and families. Other than occasional doorstep visits, check-ins are no longer face-to-face but take place through video and telephone calls. How are practitioners ensuring that children and families’ needs are still being met?
You'll hear from a children’s services practitioner about:
the pressures of lockdown and the long-term impact, including looking out for concerning signs of abuse and neglect
how they’re working with multiple agencies to meet different children and families’ needs and distributing resources for parents and carers
potential child protection issues that may emerge as we transition back to pre-lockdown life
how children are being supported to understand current issues in a child-friendly way
next steps for delivering services virtually, such as group work programmes.
Read the podcast transcript on the NSPCC Learning website.
💬 About the speaker
Dannie Adcock-Habib is a Children’s Services Practitioner at the NSPCC’s Grimsby Service Centre and a qualified social worker who is involved in undertaking Family Focus assessments. She delivers the NSPCC’s Building Blocks service and Young SMILES service (Simplifying Mental Illness plus Life Enhancement Skills).
📚 Related resources
> See our resources for children and families at risk
> Find out more about the Together for Childhood programme
> Learn about the effects of toxic stress on child development
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Jun 22, 2020 • 16min
29: Uncovering the reality of the pandemic on schools
Schools have been at the frontline in supporting the wellbeing of vulnerable children since the lockdown began in March 2020. From remote learning and online platforms to taking on a more active pastoral role, how have schools responded to the challenges?
In this episode, we speak to Shirley Dunn, a form tutor and head of department at a secondary school about measures her school has taken to safeguard children including:
remote teaching and how pupils have responded to this
supporting children’s mental health and wellbeing
the pastoral aspect to teaching
how concerns have been dealt with
pupils’ resilience to changes.
Read the podcast transcript on the NSPCC Learning website.
💬 About the speaker
Shirley Dunn has 18 years of teaching experience and is currently the head of department at a large secondary school and a form tutor.
📚 Related resources
> Listen to our episode on enquiries we’ve received from the education sector recently
> Learn more about how you can support children and young people’s mental health
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Jun 15, 2020 • 19min
28: Returning to school post-lockdown
Some children and young people are starting to go back to school and teachers are preparing to welcome pupils back after a three-month hiatus. But what’s happened in the past few months? How have schools adjusted to the new ‘normal’ and what will change now that these pupils have begun to return?
We invited Kay Joel, NSPCC’s Senior Education Consultant to talk about the current situation and provide an insight into the enquiries the NSPCC’s Library and Information service has received from people who work with children. The episode explores:
managing safeguarding concerns
supporting and communicating safely with pupils and families remotely
changes to multi-agency approaches
updating safeguarding policies and procedures
resources and advice available for the education sector.
Read the podcast transcript on the NSPCC Learning website.
💬 About the speakers
Kay Joel is a Senior Education Consultant at the NSPCC who works closely with schools to provide consultancy and has over 25 years of experience as a qualified teacher in primary and special education. Her current role includes undertaking safeguarding policy audits and visiting schools to verify safeguarding practices.
📚 Related resources
> Read more information on what school governors and trustees need to consider during this time
> Take a look at the areas you need to consider when updating your safeguarding policies and procedures during COVID-19
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Jun 8, 2020 • 21min
27: Antenatal and postnatal care during coronavirus (COVID-19)
During the perinatal period (during pregnancy and up to a year after birth), parents can be under a lot of pressure. They may also be dealing with feelings of anxiety, stress or depression.
The effects of social distancing due to coronavirus may also increase mental health issues and without the right support, this can make it difficult for parents to care for and connect with their baby.
First up in our coronavirus series, we are joined by a midwife, health visitors and perinatal psychiatry experts for a special episode to mark Infant Mental Health Awareness Week (7-12 June 2020).
The panel discuss how the pandemic and lockdown is affecting pregnant women, parents, their families and babies; antenatal and postnatal care services have adapted in response; health visitors have been conducting assessments; and how vulnerable families are being supported.
Read the podcast transcript on the NSPCC Learning website.
💬 The speakers
Dr. Jo Black - consultant perinatal psychiatrist
Penny Dougan - health visitor
Dr. Alain Gregoire - chair of Maternal Mental Health Alliance UK
Eileen O’Sullivan - a specialist health visitor in parent and infant mental health
Claire Spencer - midwife in London
Katie Worley - a health visiting and school nursing service manager.
📚 Related resources
> Play our episode on perinatal mental health
> Listen to our episode on the vulnerabilities of infants and their developmental needs
> Read about how our perinatal mental health services are operating during coronavirus
> See our briefing on sudden unexpected death in infancy (SUDI)
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Mar 9, 2020 • 26min
26: The invisible voice of children under two
In this month’s podcast episode we discuss our learning from case reviews briefing on infants with three social workers. Case reviews are conducted when a child has died or been seriously injured due to abuse or neglect. Reviewing the learning from reviews can help us to identify areas of practice to focus on and improve.
Infants under two may not be able to verbally express what they see and experience to social workers and practitioners. So how do you decide on whether you need to intervene and help a child whose needs aren’t being met or who might be showing signs of early trauma?
The episode highlights the vulnerabilities of infants and emphasises the importance of preventative intervention if you’re concerned a child is experiencing abuse or neglect. We’ve suggested tools and techniques to help you improve your own practices and ensure that young children are kept safe.
Read the podcast transcript on the NSPCC Learning website.
💬 About the speakers
Rachel Anslow is a qualified social worker with a BSc in Social Sciences and an MA in Social Work. She has worked at the NSPCC for over a year, contributing to a range of services such as Letting the Future in (LTFI), Domestic Abuse Recovering Together (DART), Seeking Solutions and Life Story Work. Previously she worked for a Local Authority assessment team.
Wendy Noctor has worked as a qualified social worker for 20 years and is currently a Safeguarding Manager in the NSPCC’s Safeguarding Unit. She has experience in managing a specialist investigation service, providing consultation to external organisations and sitting on panels related to serious case reviews. She is committed to improving the quality of children’s lived experiences where there are welfare and protection concerns.
Liana Sanzone joined the NSPCC’s London Infant and Family Team (LIFT) in September 2015, a multidisciplinary team specialising in infant mental health. She has a BA in Social Work and has a Postgraduate Certificate in Therapeutic Work with Children. Throughout her career, she has gained experience in frontline child protection, therapeutic group-work specific to domestic violence issues, integrative therapy and group facilitation with social workers.
📚 Related resources
> Read an outline of the learning we’ve gathered from published case reviews about infants
> Access our national case review repository, recently published case reviews and more
> Discover more about the effectiveness of multi-agency working
> Make a referral to the Infant and Family Teams service
> See our briefing on sudden unexpected death in infancy (SUDI)
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Feb 10, 2020 • 29min
25: Preventing harmful sexual behaviour in education
What is good practice for preventing harmful sexual behaviour? We explore how you can use preventative and proactive measures to protect young people and manage incidents of sexualised behaviour appropriately.
In this episode, you’ll learn about:
delivering PSHE education programmes and relationships and sex education (RSE)
providing the right support for young people in educational settings, the wider community or online
what you can do to help staff in dealing with peer-on-peer sexualised behaviour and peer-on-peer abuse
how you can support parents and carers in creating safer environments for their children
the importance of working collaboratively with external services such as the police or children’s services.
The NPSCC would like to thank Academy Transformation Trust and Ormiston Academies Trust for sharing their expertise and helping us develop our series on harmful sexual behaviour.
Read the podcast transcript on the NSPCC Learning website.
💬 About the speakers
Pat Branigan is a Development and Impact Manager for NSPCC’s Children’s Services. He leads the NSPCC’s response to child sexual abuse with a focus on preventing harmful sexual behaviour displayed by children and young people.
Antoinette Jackson is the Designated Safeguarding Lead (DSL) at a Secondary Provision where she is responsible for student welfare, mental health and PSHE and careers education. She leads a team of teaching staff and partners who are involved in providing outstanding care and support for young people at the Academy.
Dave Jenkins is a Vice Principal and Designated Safeguarding Lead (DSL) and has been working in the secondary education sector for 24 years. In his current role at a secondary school, his responsibilities cover safeguarding, special educational needs and disability (SEND), behaviour, alternative provision and attendance.
Katy Tomkinson is a qualified social worker who has worked at the NSPCC for over five years where she has undertaken assessments of therapeutic need and provided therapeutic interventions for young people who have been sexually harmed. She has two BA degrees in Sociology and in Social Work.
📚 Related resources
> Manage sexualised behaviour in your school with our interactive elearning course
> Access our Talk Relationships service for secondary school teachers
> Browse teaching resources for children and young people aged 11+ about positive relationships
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Jan 27, 2020 • 31min
24: Assessing sexualised behaviour
It can be hard to determine what is healthy, problematic, inappropriate or serious sexual behaviour in schools, particularly where there are limited resources available.
This is where specialist provision and services can help. They can support you in assessing the young person who has displayed sexually harmful behaviour and help you to understand the nature and extent of this behaviour. However, not all behaviour concerns will require a referral to a specialist service.
In this episode, our guest speakers discuss:
how assessments such as the AIM assessment are used to determine levels of risk and where they should be applied
why it’s important to integrate responses to sexualised behaviour into your wider policies and overarching strategy
how to address serious harmful behaviours and when a referral should be made to a service for an assessment
what actions to take when lower level behaviour concerns are displayed and how to minimise risks going forward.
why it’s vital to keep your professional knowledge and training up-to-date.
The NPSCC would like to thank Academy Transformation Trust and Ormiston Academies Trust for sharing their expertise and helping us develop our series on harmful sexual behaviour.
Read the podcast transcript on the NSPCC Learning website.
💬 About the speakers
Sarah Bloomer is the Director of Safeguarding for Academy Transformation Trust. She has previously worked as a secondary school teacher and Designated Safeguarding Lead. Additionally, she has worked as part of a governance team for a large multi-agency academy where she developed a role as Head of Safeguarding.
Pat Branigan is a Development and Impact Manager for NSPCC’s Children’s Services. He leads the NSPCC’s response to child sexual abuse with a focus on preventing harmful sexual behaviour displayed by children and young people.
Nicole Rossage is an experienced Designated Safeguarding Lead working within the education sector, specifically secondary school, for over twenty years.
Katy Tomkinson is a qualified social worker who has worked at the NSPCC for over five years where she has undertaken assessments of therapeutic need and provided therapeutic interventions for young people who have been sexually harmed. She has two BA degrees in Sociology and in Social Work.
📚 Related resources
> Listen to our introductory episode on harmful sexual behaviour
> Read about protecting children from harmful sexual behaviour
> Manage sexualised behaviour in your school with our interactive elearning course
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Jan 13, 2020 • 27min
23: Harmful sexual behaviour in schools
Around a third of child sexual abuse is by other children or young people (Hackett, 2014). Educational settings play a key role in identifying and preventing harmful sexual behaviour. However, this can be difficult to manage without adversely affecting the education of both the child and young person that has experienced the abuse and the child who has displayed the behaviour.
This episode will help you to understand:
the issues schools, colleges and academies are currently seeing and why there’s an increase in sexualised behaviour in young people
what healthy, problematic and harmful behaviours are and how you can respond appropriately
how children and young people are affected, including those who display sexualised behaviour
what you can do to balance needs so that safeguarding is prioritised without affecting education.
The NPSCC would like to thank Academy Transformation Trust and Ormiston Academies Trust for sharing their expertise and helping us develop our series on harmful sexual behaviour.
Read the podcast transcript on the NSPCC Learning website.
💬 About the speakers
Fiona Barber has been a Children’s Service Practitioner at the NSPCC since 2010, delivering services that involves the assessment and treatment of children and young people who display harmful sexual behaviour and who have been affected by sexual abuse. She has background in providing support to children and families in the field of social work and therapeutic care in residential work. In 2014, Fiona joined the National Clinical Assessment Team (NCATS), a service for treating young high-risk harmful sexual behaviour.
Pat Branigan is a Development and Impact Manager for NSPCC’s Children’s Services. He leads the NSPCC’s response to child sexual abuse with a focus on preventing harmful sexual behaviour displayed by children and young people. In addition to this, he’s an anthropologist with a background in public health and has led research into sensitive sexual health topics at the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine.
Lucy Dawes started out as a primary school teacher in mainstream provision in 2007, teaching across Key Stage 2. In 2012, she moved to her current school which is a SEMH Provision where she supports children who have social, emotional or mental health needs identified on their Education, Health and Care Plan (EHCP). She is now the Assistant Principal and Special Educational Needs & Disabilities Co-ordinator and Designated Safeguarding Lead.
Jacqui Ferris has worked in education for 25 years and is currently part of the leadership team at a secondary academy which serves a community with higher than average levels of deprivation. As a Senior Assistant Principal, she leads on behaviour, attendance and safeguarding and liaises regularly with agencies including social care, the police and family services. She is focused on working in the best interests of children and serves to maximise their educational opportunities and life chances.
📚 Related resources
> Read our blog on understanding children’s sexual behaviour
> Take a course for managing sexualised behaviour in primary and secondary schools
> Refer anyone up to the age of 21 who has displayed harmful sexual behaviour to our NCATS service
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