
Dialogues: The David Zwirner Podcast
What we talk about when we talk about art. Exceptional makers and thinkers across art, literature, film, fashion, music, and more come together to talk about what it means to make things today.
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Feb 19, 2020 • 29sec
Dialogues Trailer
Dialogues is a podcast from David Zwirner Gallery and has included guests like Doug Wheeler, Vija Celmins, Tyler Mitchell, Helen Molesworth, Kahlil Joseph, R. Crumb, and Luc Tuymans.

Dec 12, 2019 • 35min
Episode 15 | Thom Browne and Michael Glover
The designer Thom Browne and the poet and critic Michael Glover talk about the history of the codpiece in art. Glover has written a book (Thrust) on the topic and Browne's collections often include codpieces.Show Notes:
Thom Browne
Thrust: A Spasmodic Pictorial History of the Codpiece in Art (Michael Glover, David Zwirner Books)
Attachments area

Dec 4, 2019 • 34min
Episode 14 | Eileen Myles and Flavin Judd
Eileen Myles talks to Flavin Judd about Marfa past and present, a "mammoth" new novel, and Donald Judd's life and work.Show Notes
Donald Judd Interviews (David Zwirner Books, 2019, edited by Flavin Judd and Caitlin Murray)
"MoMA Announces Donald Judd Retrospective" (March 1 -July 11, 2020 at the Museum of Modern Art)
Judd Foundation

Nov 20, 2019 • 35min
Episode 13 | Oscar Murillo and Charles Henry Rowell
This episode pairs artist Oscar Murillo with the editor Charles Henry Rowell for a conversation about class, race, art, and the African cultural diaspora that is one part history lesson and one part personal history. Murillo is short-listed for the 2019 Turner Prize and Rowell is the founder and editor of Callalloo, the longest continuously running African-American literary journal. The Turner Prize exhibition runs through January 12, 2020, at Turner Contemporary in Margate, UK. (The winner will be announced on December 3.) Read more about Callaloo here.

Nov 7, 2019 • 23min
Episode 12 | The Yayoi Kusama Phenomenon
This episode is all about Yayoi Kusama and art in the Instagram age. JiaJia Fei, a digital guru for institutions like the Jewish Museum and the Guggenheim, and Christian Luiten, founder of the popular digital art platform Avant Arte, come together to talk authenticity vs. influence, high vs. low, art vs. accessibility, narrative vs. myth—and to diagnose the unabating online fanaticism for all things Kusama, an Instagram icon who isn’t on Instagram.

Oct 23, 2019 • 25min
Episode 11 | Chris Ofili and Emily Wilson
An epic live episode of Dialogues. In journeying deep into Homer’s Odyssey in front of an audience at David Zwirner’s 69th Street gallery in New York, artist Chris Ofili and classicist Emily Wilson encounter religion, art, personal history, gender issues, Trinidad, Greece, truth, lies. Featuring a live reading from Wilson, the first woman to translate The Odyssey into English and a 2019 MacArthur Fellow

Oct 9, 2019 • 46min
Episode 10 | Alex Da Corte and Charlie Fox
When the artist Alex Da Corte and the writer Charlie Fox talk about Edward Scissorhands, Frankenstein, Hercules, Michael Myers, A Clockwork Orange, Scar from The Lion King, they’re also talking about beauty and body anxiety and disability and sexual attraction and queerness—the anxieties of existing physically in the world every day. Da Corte, whose elaborate videos, sculptures, and installations critically re-stage pop culture, art history, and his own life, and Fox, whose recent book This Young Monster celebrates beautiful misfits and freaks across all walks of culture, go deep on how they live—in their minds and in their work—far from what they call normative behavior. Visit Da Corte’s solo exhibition in New York at Karma through November 3 and his work at the Venice Biennale through November 24, in the main exhibition May You Live in Interesting Times. Buy Fox’s book This Young Monster here.

Sep 25, 2019 • 1h 13min
Episode 9 | Jordan Wolfson and Jeremy O. Harris
When the artist Jordan Wolfson and the playwright Jeremy O. Harris get together, sparks fly. Wolfson’s art confronts intimacy, violence, and desire with sometimes shocking honesty. Likewise, O. Harris, whose buzzed-about and radical Slave Play comes to Broadway this fall, uses music and bodies to complicate themes of violence and sex—and perhaps most powerfully of all, race and history. O. Harris is able to dip in and out of absurdity even at his most serious, something that Wolfson has also mastered in his mysterious narratives. Here, they debate and cover everything from suppression and transgression, sexuality, Lady Gaga, porn, and more.Get tickets to Jeremy O. Harris’s Slave Play at the Golden Theatre on Broadway here.

Feb 14, 2019 • 30min
Episode 8 | Hilton Als and Thelma Golden
A revealing conversation about the life and teachings of James Baldwin that draws on Beauford Delaney, the pivotal role of invested teachers, and how the writer shaped the racial and cultural landscape in America.In this episode of Dialogues, Pulitzer Prize winning cultural critic Hilton Als is joined in conversation by friend, collaborator, and thought partner Thelma Golden of The Studio Museum in Harlem for a conversation on Baldwin that traces back to their very first meeting at The Odeon. Brought together on the occasion of the exhibition God Made My Face: A Collective Portrait of James Baldwin curated by Als, the duo examine the legacy of Baldwin and his impact on both their own work and today’s culture.God Made My Face: A Collective Portrait of James Baldwin is on view at David Zwirner, New York, through 2 PM Saturday, February 16, 2019.For more of what’s to come on Dialogues, listen to our trailer or visit davidzwirner.com/podcast.

Nov 14, 2018 • 33min
Episode 7 | Nicholas Fox Weber and Paul Smith
A conversation about clothing, instinct, and finding high art in everyday life that touches on Jackie O, Kandinsky, and the Bauhaus.In this episode of Dialogues,Nicholas Fox Weber—cultural historian and executive director of The Josef and Anni Albers Foundation—is paired with acclaimed British fashion designer Sir Paul Smith. The two are brought together on the occasion of a major retrospective of Anni Albers’s work, currently on view at Tate Modern, London, to discuss Smith’s new knitwear collection inspired by her textiles. Their shared admiration for the art of Anni and Josef Albers drives an eclectic conversation about abstraction, aesthetics, and the tactile nature of design.Anni Albers is on view at Tate Modern, London, through January 27, 2019.Listen to Paul Smith discuss his interest in the life and work of Anni Albers at Tate Modern on Saturday, November 17, at 3 PM. For more information, visit tate.org.uk/whats-on/tate-modern/exhibition/anni-albers/paul-smith-on-anni-albers.For more of what’s to come on Dialogues, listen to our trailer or visit davidzwirner.com/podcast.