

Good Writing Podcast
Ben K & Emily D
The Good Writing Podcast is a show for creative writers who want to nerd out on craft.
Two friends, Emily Donovan and Benjamin Kerns, read their favorite sentences, paragraphs, and other short excerpts and present craft lessons and writing exercises for fellow writers.
Two friends, Emily Donovan and Benjamin Kerns, read their favorite sentences, paragraphs, and other short excerpts and present craft lessons and writing exercises for fellow writers.
Episodes
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Mar 21, 2022 • 60min
J.P. Hurley - Lost in Memories with Philip Roth
John-Paul Hurley joins us to discuss an excerpt from Sabbath’s Theater by Philip Roth. How can writers make the readers feel lost in memories? We also discuss unlikeable protagonists.
Other links from this week:
Follow J.P. Hurley on Twitter here
Hear about how a fantasy writer raised $31M on Kickstarter to self-publish four books on the Print Run Podcast here
Good Writing is a podcast where two MFA friends read like writers and lay out craft ideas for fellow writers to steal. Co-hosted by Emily Donovan and Benjamin Kerns.
Twitter: @goodwritingpod
Email: goodwritingpodcast@gmail.com

Mar 14, 2022 • 58min
How to Write with Yourself as the Subject - Megan Boyle’s Liveblog
We always bring ourselves with us wherever we go, even into our writing. Even if we think that writing is about something completely other to ourselves, it is impossible for that wherever to escape whoever we are. Megan Boyle takes this to the farthest extent in her autofiction piece Liveblog in which she attempted to write down every single thing that happened to her over the course of a few months. The result is a deeply personal, funny, moving and intellectually fearsome book that is completely unlike anything else.
Buy Liveblog here.
Good Writing is a podcast where two MFA friends read like writers and lay out craft ideas for fellow writers to steal. Co-hosted by Emily Donovan and Benjamin Kerns.
Twitter: @goodwritingpod
Email: goodwritingpodcast@gmail.com

Mar 7, 2022 • 1h 10min
Alien Literary Magazine - How to Make Your Submissions Stand Out
The co-editors in chief of Alien Literary Magazine join us to talk about two of their favorite pieces from a recent issue. We talk about the magazine’s reading process and two elements of craft that made these submissions stand out: momentum and juxtaposition.
“Pilgrimage” by Brett Biebel in Alien Literary Magazine
“Rave” by Esteban Rodriguez in Alien Literary Magazine
Other links from this week:
Read essays and short stories published from our guest Matthew Hawkins here
Read short stories published from our guest Claire Martin here
Read Alien Lit Mag’s submission guidelines or buy a sticker and follow them on Twitter
Good Writing is a podcast where two MFA friends read like writers and lay out craft ideas for fellow writers to steal. Co-hosted by Emily Donovan and Benjamin Kerns.
Twitter: @goodwritingpod
Email: goodwritingpodcast@gmail.com

Feb 28, 2022 • 1h 7min
What Makes a Story Feel Complete? Chekhov, George Saunders, and Occasion for Story
Emily has Ben read an Anton Chekhov short story about a sad lady’s sad day and discuss occasion for story. Why is this the day that you tune into your character’s life? How can we as writers make a story feel complete?
On the way, Ben and Emily get derailed by a difference of opinion sparked by George Saunders’s analysis of the story. Should you consider the reader’s interpretation and anticipate the reader’s reaction to your story as you’re writing? Ben says no. Emily says absolutely yes. Tune in for the pros and cons!
Read a different translation of “In the Cart” by Anton Chekhov
Buy George Saunders’s writing craft book A Swim in a Pond in the Rain (and his short story collection Tenth of December)
Catch up on the viral writer conversation of Parul Sehgal’s “The Case Against the Trauma Plot”
Other recommendations from this week:
Out to Lunch, a jazz album by Eric Dolphy
Owed, a poetry collection by Joshua Bennett
Good Writing is a podcast where two MFA friends read like writers and lay out craft ideas for fellow writers to steal. Co-hosted by Emily Donovan and Benjamin Kerns.
Twitter: @goodwritingpod
Email: goodwritingpodcast@gmail.com

Feb 21, 2022 • 1h 3min
Writing Whatever you Want, Whenever you Want with Richard Brautigan
We discuss Richard Brautigan’s novel Trout Fishing in America and the way he seems to have no interest in following any sort of rule when he’s writing. The phrase “Trout Fishing in America” can be anything; a character, a place, the phrase itself, or maybe even something more, something spiritual. Ben and Emily talk about why that’s cool and why it’s weird.
Trout Fishing in America (1967) - buy it here (or read a weird PDF of it here.)
Read Jenette Winter’s (as well as few others) ten rules for writing here.
You can rent Jaspar Mall on Amazon, but I don’t want to link that so here’s a link to the film’s official twitter
Here’s where you can buy John Darnielle’s new novel, Devil House.
Good Writing is a podcast where two MFA friends read like writers and lay out craft ideas for fellow writers to steal. Co-hosted by Emily Donovan and Benjamin Kerns.
Twitter: @goodwritingpod
Email: goodwritingpodcast@gmail.com

Feb 14, 2022 • 52min
When the Narrator Won’t Admit It with Sofia Samatar
How can we make sure our readers pick up on key information when our narrator is cagey or not willing to admit the full truth?
We look at how a master, Sofia Samatar, does it in her short story "Walkdog." It has both a reluctant narrator ("Emilybait") and a weird form ("Benbait"). We also discuss the "line" between "literary fiction" and "science fiction and fantasy."
Read Sofia Samatar’s short story “Walkdog”
Other links from this episode:
Buy Sofia Samatar's short story collection Tender (2017) so you can read her hilarious and inexplicable short story "How I Met the Ghoul"
Listen to a craft interview with Sofia Samatar on Storyological or read one with Uncanny Magazine
Ben’s other podcast Three Lokos for music, movies, and pals hanging out
Good Writing is a podcast where two MFA friends read like writers and lay out craft ideas for fellow writers to steal. Co-hosted by Emily Donovan and Benjamin Kerns.
Twitter: @goodwritingpod
Email: goodwritingpodcast@gmail.com

Feb 7, 2022 • 58min
The Entire World in a Single Sentence: Unpacking Fernanda Melchor’s Hurricane Season
Sentence length can be used to pull the reader into the text, and a long sentence can force them to stay there. Fernanda Melchor’s Hurrican Season presents the reader with a seemingly impenetrable block of text that keeps their eyes locked the page, even whenthey might want to turn away.
Hurricane Season by Fernanda Melchor
The Faggots & Their Friends Between Revolutions by Larry Mitchell w/ Illustrations by Ned Asta
Mystifier’s Instagram Page. Their Bandcamp.
Good Writing is a podcast where two MFA friends read like writers and lay out craft ideas for fellow writers to steal. Co-hosted by Emily Donovan and Benjamin Kerns.
Twitter: @goodwritingpod
Email: goodwritingpodcast@gmail.com

Jan 31, 2022 • 51min
B.R. Yeager - How Second Person Allows us to Reach Past the Edges of a Text
The Good Writing podcast gets its mind blown by the author of Pearl Death, Negative Space, and Amygdalatropolis; B.R. Yeager!
We discuss Blake Butler’s 2014 novel 300,000,000 and how it uses a single page to break down the barriers between book and reader, author and audience, and maybe even reality and fiction
300,000,000 by Blake Butler (2014).
B.R. Yeager’s Neutral Spaces
Good Writing is a podcast where two MFA friends read like writers and lay out craft ideas for fellow writers to steal. Co-hosted by Emily Donovan and Benjamin Kerns.
Twitter: @goodwritingpod
Email: goodwritingpodcast@gmail.com

Jan 24, 2022 • 55min
Cherri Buijk - Why Is Historical Fiction So Hard?
The Good Writing podcast welcomes its first guest, short story writer and fellow MFA friend Cherri Buijk, to discuss historical fiction.
What makes historical fiction feel authentic? We discuss freewriting about the parts of history that you can’t wrap your head around and resisting the temptation to moralize.
A Mercy by Toni Morrison (2008)
Toni Morrison’s Paris Review interview about her writing process: “Toni Morrison, The Art of Fiction No. 134”
“Girl with Rope” by Cherri Buijk in Catamaran Literary Reader
Good Writing is a podcast where two MFA friends read like writers and lay out craft ideas for fellow writers to steal. Co-hosted by Emily Donovan and Benjamin Kerns.
Twitter: @goodwritingpod
Email: goodwritingpodcast@gmail.com

Jan 17, 2022 • 59min
Irreverent Protagonists and Gideon the Ninth
We all love a witty protagonist with quips. But how can a writer stay true to an ironic voice while still getting the characters and readers to care about the story?
We discuss Gideon the Ninth, a fantasy debut novel about lesbian necromancers in space with a hilarious and irreverent point-of-view character. Ben and Emily also share two of their wilder “Florida Man” stories.
Gideon the Ninth by Tamsyn Muir (2019) from Tor Books
Check out Autostraddle’s book recommendations
Good Writing is a podcast where two MFA friends read like writers and lay out craft ideas for fellow writers to steal. Co-hosted by Emily Donovan and Benjamin Kerns.
Twitter: @goodwritingpod
Email: goodwritingpodcast@gmail.com