Upzoned

Two towns, two states, and two historic bridges that nobody wants to pay for. Brattleboro, Vermont, wants to reactivate two historic bridges with a pedestrian greenway. Hinsdale, New Hampshire, worries about increased crime and being saddled with the majority of maintenance costs while getting fewer returns. Abby and Norm discuss this dilemma, comparing it to similar bridge projects and identifying possible next steps for activating this underutilized infrastructure. ADDITIONAL SHOW NOTES "Can Two Towns Preserve the Bridges That Connected Them?" by Alan Wirzbicki, The Boston Globe (September 2025) Abby Newsham (X/Twitter) Norm Van Eeden Petersman (LinkedIn) Theme Music by Kemet the Phantom.   This podcast is made possible by Strong Towns members. Click here to learn more about membership.

Carlee Alm-LaBar, chief of staff at Strong Towns and former city staff in Lafayette, dives into the challenges of mall decline and its impact on communities. She discusses how 720,000 square feet of vacant mall space can create budget issues and blight. Carlee highlights the nostalgia behind mall construction and the mismatched scale between large malls and small towns. They debate the effectiveness of redeveloping these sites for housing and emphasize the need for supporting local developers and breaking large properties into smaller parcels.

Norm Van Eeden-Petersman, an expert from Strong Towns, discusses the contrasting housing strategies of Littleton and Lakewood, Colorado. He highlights Littleton’s restrictive approach to single-family homes versus Lakewood’s push for diverse housing options. The conversation dives into how suburban zoning laws create barriers to development and the emotional resistance to change. Norm advocates for targeted reforms and incremental housing solutions, cautioning against the long-term consequences of Littleton's measures while emphasizing the need for collaborative community planning.

U.S. public transit could face collapse by 2026 due to dwindling federal funding. The hosts discuss transit's vital role in mobility and space efficiency, especially for those unable to drive. They debate whether transit should be treated as a charity or essential infrastructure. Acknowledging design failures, they advocate for local solutions and decision-making. The conversation highlights the fragility of transit compared to roadways, stressing that vulnerable communities will suffer first if it fails. The suburban growth model is called into question as they explore future funding alternatives.

The city of Los Angeles recently announced that it saved 1,600 jobs that were at risk of being cut to balance its $1 billion budget deficit. But did it actually fix anything, or is it just shuffling money around to hide the problem? What role do unions play? And what should cities actually do when facing a major budget deficit? Strong Towns Chief Technical Advisor Edward Erfurt dives into these questions with guest host Norm Van Eeden Petersman in this episode of Upzoned. ADDITIONAL SHOW NOTES “Mayor Bass says layoffs averted after labor negotiations, "creative solutions" for next year city budget” by Chelsea Hylton, CBS News (September 2025). Finance Decoder Become a Strong Towns member to access weekly Ask Strong Towns Anything sessions. Norm Van Eeden Petersman (LinkedIn) Do you know someone who would make for a great The Bottom-Up Revolution guest? Let us know here!

The Tulsa Remote program pays remote workers $10,000 to relocate to Tulsa for a year. A study found that, for every dollar spent, Tulsa sees $4.31 in economic benefits, including increased local spending, tax revenue, and job creation. Abby is joined by John Pattinson, Strong Towns’ community builder, discuss whether this kind of program is a smart way to boost the local economy. ADDITIONAL SHOW NOTES “The Economic Benefits of Paying Workers to Move” by Rthvika Suvarna and Fola Akinnibi, Bloomberg CityLab (May 2025).‍ Abby Newsham (X/Twitter).‍‍ Theme Music by Kemet the Phantom.   This podcast is made possible by Strong Towns members. Click here to learn more about membership.

A surge of homes may flood the market as baby boomers downsize, potentially outstripping demand by a million units. The hosts delve into the implications of demographic shifts on housing stability and the risks of an oversimplified construction mantra. They discuss the need for diverse housing solutions that cater to various lifestyles, while exploring financial incentives that hinder adaptive housing. Interestingly, they even touch upon NASA's findings on ancient life on Mars, weaving together an engaging narrative about housing and beyond.

For years, investors and speculators shaped Canada's housing market. But now, people who actually live in those homes are beginning to have more influence. Today, Abby is joined by Norm Van Eeden Petersman, Strong Towns' director of membership and a Canadian, to discuss how this shift happened, how it'll affect Canada's housing market, and the implications for the rest of North America. ADDITIONAL SHOW NOTES “End-users, rather than investors, expected to drive Vancouver housing market higher” by Kerry Gold, The Globe and Mail (September 2025).‍ Abby Newsham (X/Twitter).‍ Norm Van Eeden Petersman (LinkedIn)‍ Theme Music by Kemet the Phantom.   This podcast is made possible by Strong Towns members. Click here to learn more about membership.

Several high-profile members of the government have been accused of committing mortgage fraud recently, including Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton and Federal Reserve Governor Lisa Cook. Today, Chuck and Abby explore how mortgage fraud distorts the housing market, why it happens so frequently — and why no one in the financial system is interested in stopping it. ADDITIONAL SHOW NOTES “Ken Paxton Claimed Three Houses as His Primary Residence, Records Show” by Pooja Salhotra, The New York Times (July 2025). “Mortgage-Fraud Accusations Are Trump’s New Political Weapon” by Gina Heeb and Brian Schwartz, The Wall Street Journal (August 2025). Chuck Marohn (Substack) Abby Newsham (X/Twitter). Theme Music by Kemet the Phantom.   This podcast is made possible by Strong Towns members. Click here to learn more about membership.

In this insightful discussion, John Pattison, a community builder with Strong Towns, shares his expertise on the innovative concept of sponge cities. He explores how these urban designs, inspired by nature, aim to tackle flooding and enhance stormwater management. The conversation dives into the balance between ambitious infrastructure and gradual improvements. Pattison highlights real-world examples, like Copenhagen, showcasing how integrating green space can lead to resilient communities. This blend of nature and urban planning is positioned as a promising solution for future cities.